Why do Christians believe in a place of torment called Hell?

[Kidron]

No, are you a person who believes the unsaved receive eternal life?
Not going to die? Hmmm, where have I heard that lie before?
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I guess the lie you heard is in the JW manual, or the Mormon manual, ???????? as you are not a mainline denominational Christian, if you are one at all.

Let me guess, you are water baptized and think this is being saved.
Right.

So Your teaching here is "fringe", and not related to anything that is "Protestant", "Mainline" "Denomination".

 

[Kidron]

I don't understand how one asks a question and then continues on without receiving the answer.
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I "continued on", because i was responding to a previous post.
So, in my response, part of it was to ask this person if they are a "no-heller".

 

[1ofthem]

Please see posts 341, 348, & 349

Thanks, I've not read all of this thread. I should have before just jumping in. So I'll look at them to see if that answers some of my questions

 

[ewq1938]

The soul is eternal.

No, it is not eternal.

Mat_10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Hell is where the soul is destroyed.

 

[Magenta]

I guess the lie you heard is in the JW manual, or the Mormon manual, ????????
as you are not a mainline denominational Christian, if you are one at all.

It is the very same lie Satan deceived Eve with, causing the fall of man and corruption of all creation...

Though which as a result of Adam's sin, death entered the world.

How do you not know this???

 

[Magenta]

Thanks, I've not read all of this thread. I should have before just jumping in. So I'll look at them to see if that answers some of my questions

No worries! Hey, the thread is long... too many posts to read LOL

 

[Tinkerbell725]

Spirits are not eternal. Only God is eternal.

Spirits cannot die.
So angels cannot die.
So they stay in the lake of fire. One who cannot die is also eternal.


And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
Luke 20:34‭-‬36 KJV

 

[Kidron]

Even if the body is still alive, an unbelievers spirit is still dead, right.

Or am I missing something?

Its dead to righteousness.

Notice this verse........."Dead to SIN......alive to Righteousness"...
See that ? that is the born again...
The unbelievers are the opposite, they are dead to righteousness, and alive to sin.
We are all like this until our spirit is rejoined to God's Spirit by the Holy Spirit, and when that happen we become "alive to Righteousness".....being ""MADE RIGHTEOUS", having being given "the GIFT of Righteousness"......which is to be joined Spiritually, in Spiritual Union, with God's Spirit.

 

[ewq1938]

The spirits of the unsaved are already considered dead, though, right.

Only symbolically. A living person has a living soul and spirit but if they are unsaved, they will end up in hell.

Yet, they still exist. Even if the body is still alive, an unbelievers spirit is still dead, right.

Or am I missing something?

In the lake of fire, the body and soul are destroyed rendering them quite dead in a literal sense.

 

[Icedaisey]

"If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest: (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec: ) By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood." - Hebrews 7:11-24 KJV

Sadly, able to avoid a direct personal answer.
Which is the answer actually.

 

[Kidron]

No, it is not eternal.

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The spirit in a person, will exist for as long as Heaven, New Jerusalem, Hell, and the Lake of fire exist.
These exist for as long as God lives.

 

[ewq1938]

I guess the lie you heard is in the JW manual, or the Mormon manual, ???????? as you are not a mainline denominational Christian, if you are one at all.

Let me guess, you are water baptized and think this is being saved.
Right.

So Your teaching here is "fringe", and not related to anything that is "Protestant", "Mainline" "Denomination".

My teaching is directly from the bible. The opposing is not from the bible.

 

[Kidron]

Only symbolically. A living person has a living soul and spirit but if they are unsaved, t.

When Adam died spiritually, this was not symbolic.
This spiritual dead, which is the separation from God's Spirit, exists as the "fallen" "Adamic nature" of each person who is born.

To resolve this LITERAL situation.......>Jesus tells you that you "must be born again".
And that is also not symbolic.

 

[ewq1938]

So angels cannot die.

That's wrong.


Heb_2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Even the devil will be destroyed.

Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
Eze 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

He will be devoured by fire, turned to ashes and shall never exist anymore. That's Annihilation.

 

[Kidron]

My teaching is directly from the bible. The opposing is not from the bible.

Your teaching has nothing to do with the NT.
You teach that the "soul".....which you are confusing with the Spirit, ...does not continue to exist.
You were not taught it by the NT, or by any Mainline Denomination.

 

[Aaron56]

Does it say this in scripture?

It also refers to it as "eternal" punishment.

Sorry if I sound like a 3 year old with all the questions, but I really am trying to see how you are coming to this conclusion.

No, your questions are good and very thoughtful.

It's often a limit of our language. And sometimes, it is a limit of our understanding and of the legally binding effect of the nature of God and His creation.

For language we can compare these two verses.

John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."

1 John 2:15 "Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him."

The same word for world is used here: kosmos. So, it can be confusing if we just read the scripture outright and stick to the black and white, as it were. How can we strive to be like God and love the world and then not love the world at the same time? The issue is obvious of course, the world in John 3:16 means people and the world in 1 John 2:15 means the systems of the world.

The writers of scripture reference time similarly. We have to understand the context in order to understand the meaning. It also requires discernment which is a characteristic of the Spirit of God in every believer.

The word used for "age to age" is the same word for "from now until the end of the age". We conflate these terms.

Sorry I have to run. I will return later to finish if it is still prudent.

Grace and Peace,
Aaron56

 

[ewq1938]

Your teaching has nothing to do with the NT.
You were not taught it by the NT, and you were not taught it by anyone associated as a "mainline Protestant Denomination".

I have not quite heard you enough to know what Cult you're from, but, keep on talking and i'll probably be able to pin point you.

I have reported you for making personal insults and accusations.

 

[Kidron]

That's wrong.


Heb_2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Even the devil will be destroyed.

Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
Eze 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

He will be devoured by fire, turned to ashes and shall never exist anymore. That's Annihilation.

The devil wont be destroyed.
He'll end up in the place "created for the devil and his angels""", which is where the Christ Rejectors end up as well.

 

[Kidron]

I have reported you for making personal insults and accusations.

You called me a liar in a previous post.
Did you forget?
I'll report you for that NOW, as i didn't previously, as im an Adult, and i dont run to Mods, crying like a liitle child when someone does not agree with me.
You should work on that, ewq1938.
Its a good idea to grow up.

 

[Jocund]

Sadly, able to avoid a direct personal answer.
Which is the answer actually.

The question is unclear. I'm not convinced that "replacement theology" means the same thing to everyone. Please explain your interpretation of "replacement theology" and I will gladly show passages that address the topic. I do not believe that the modern Talmudic Rabbinical order has "replaced" Biblical Judaism. I do not believe that the Talmudic Rabbinical order is a true priesthood of the promise. Salvation is only through Christ. The true priesthood is found in Christ. Christ is the heir of the promise.

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." - John 14:6 KJV

It's a complicated topic. If you're genuinely interested in discussion, it is best to lay the foundation of a perspective using scripture.