Are y'all going to get the thread locked or agree to disagree and get back to the thread topic???
Sure. The "vaccine" is not the mark of the beast.
Are y'all going to get the thread locked or agree to disagree and get back to the thread topic???
That's more like it!Sure. The "vaccine" is not the mark of the beast.
Exactly! Just because you will not be allowed to buy or sell without this vaccine is only a coincidence. Just because it is composed of graphene oxide which acts like a metal at body temperature and hence appears to be a fulfillment of Daniel's vision of the feet made of clay mingled with iron is also a coincidence. Just because the copyright on this technology is the number 060606, that is just an unfortunate coincidence. Yes, there have been many falsehoods spread concerning masks, the origin of the vaccine, how many people actually tested positive, how many people died due to this virus, how dangerous the vaccine is, and how effective therapies like HCQ are is also unfortunate because that has caused some very paranoid people to ask if they are also lying about the vaccine. Yes, we know they have lied many times to us, but we can be sure they are sorry about doing that and that now they are telling us the truth. Also the fact that this order by NYC goes into effect on the 9th of Av well that is another unfortunate coincidence. True the Revelation 12 sign appeared during the feast of Trumpets in 2017. True the worldwide pandemic and shutdown of the world's economy was prophesied in the book of Joel as a sign that the day of the Lord is at hand. True the Lord said that this generation shall not pass away until all things be fulfilled. If you figure that Psalm 90 saying a generation is 80 years at most that means all things need to be fulfilled by 2028 and therefore the 7 years of tribulation must begin in 2021, and yes there is the prophesy in Jeremiah that "the summer is passed and we are not saved" indicating the first rapture takes place in the summer, along with the term "first fruits", but all of those things are simply coincidences.Sure. The "vaccine" is not the mark of the beast.
Well, we don't know if we won't be able to buy or sell without the "vaccine". What we do know is that taking the mark of the beast will require you to reject the Lord Jesus Christ. So, the "vaccine" is likely just preparing the world to take the mark. The "vaccine" is probably the actual virus for which they hope the cull the population of the undesirables.Exactly! Just because you will not be allowed to buy or sell without this vaccine is only a coincidence. Just because it is composed of graphene oxide which acts like a metal at body temperature and hence appears to be a fulfillment of Daniel's vision of the feet made of clay mingled with iron is also a coincidence. Just because the copyright on this technology is the number 060606, that is just an unfortunate coincidence. Yes, there have been many falsehoods spread concerning masks, the origin of the vaccine, how many people actually tested positive, how many people died due to this virus, how dangerous the vaccine is, and how effective therapies like HCQ are is also unfortunate because that has caused some very paranoid people to ask if they are also lying about the vaccine. Yes, we know they have lied many times to us, but we can be sure they are sorry about doing that and that now they are telling us the truth. Also the fact that this order by NYC goes into effect on the 9th of Av well that is another unfortunate coincidence. True the Revelation 12 sign appeared during the feast of Trumpets in 2017. True the worldwide pandemic and shutdown of the world's economy was prophesied in the book of Joel as a sign that the day of the Lord is at hand. True the Lord said that this generation shall not pass away until all things be fulfilled. If you figure that Psalm 90 saying a generation is 80 years at most that means all things need to be fulfilled by 2028 and therefore the 7 years of tribulation must begin in 2021, and yes there is the prophesy in Jeremiah that "the summer is passed and we are not saved" indicating the first rapture takes place in the summer, along with the term "first fruits", but all of those things are simply coincidences.
The Lord's Return and the Day of the Lord are the SAME.
The Day of the Lord is the Second Coming of Christ - They are the SAME DAY.
You have zero scripture to show a Pre-Trib rapture - there are none.
Christ is coming for us ( You and Me Brother and everyone in Him) . He is coming for His Bride and He is bringing Judgement upon the world.
Daniel and Revelation clearly shows the Saints being persecuted by Satan - this is not new - it started after Christ returned to the Father.
There is only one Gospel Message - not a second one for 'Left Behinders' which is the ENTIRE point Paul makes in 2 Thessalonians.
Just dwell on this - there will be NO ONE (in Christ) LEFT BEHIND
PROOF = and the talk of such men will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, who have deviated from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already occurred, and they undermine the faith of some.
NO ONE (in Christ) will be LEFT BEHIND - there is only One Gospel Message for One Bride = the Elect.
The resurrection occurs at the Lord's Coming BEFORE the rapture - 1 Thess 4:15-17
God's wrath cannot take place prior to the Lord's return - because, the Lord Himself is the one "dishing it out"...Since God's wrath takes place prior to the Lord's return...
That is exactly the reason for your error. They are not the same event. One is to gather the church and the other is the Lord returning to the earth to end the age. Since God's wrath takes place prior to the Lord's return to the earth and the church is not appointed to suffer God's wrath, then we must be removed prior to said wrath. Your belief dishonors the Lord and the wrath that He suffered on our behalf. And you have God punishing the righteous with the wicked, which is not in God's nature to do so. And since God's wrath will be upon the entire earth, then we cannot be here. The other thing that you ignore, is the fact that throughout Revelation chapters 1 thru 3 the word 'ekklesia' translated as 'church' is used 19 times. Then from chapter 4 onward the word disappears. So, you ignore that as well. The Day of the Lord is nothing honorable to go through. Those who do, it will be because they were not believers at the time of the gathering or those who wandered back into the world willfully living according to the sinful nature.
After Paul gave the detailed account of the Lord's appearing to gather the church, he said "Comfort each other with these words." But according to what you are believing and teaching, there would be no comforting each other with those words, because like the wicked, those in Christ would also be going through God's wrath and there would be no comfort in that. Your message is: "The good news is, you have forgiveness of sins and eternal life. The bad news is, you still have to go through God's wrath."
According to scripture those who believe have been credited with the righteousness of Christ and have been reconciled to God. But according to you and others, that doesn't matter.
If you say that there is zero scripture, you must not have read my post of Revelation 3:10 where the Lord states that He will keep us out of the time of wrath. Either that or you applied a false apologetic to it. You also must have ignore Rev.19:6-8 which shows the bride/church in heaven at the wedding of the Lamb and then following the Lord out of heaven in v.14.
This is true, but He is coming to get His church prior to His wrath, not after.
The group that you speak of is the great tribulation saints who are not the church which are introduced in Rev.7:9-17. The fact that the elder is asking John who these are in white robes and where they came from demonstrates that this is a new group and not the church. And the fact that John doesn't know who they are further supports this. As I stated previously, the church is no where mentioned after chapter 4. You just don't have enough study on this topic. You are coming in with only partial information. God has a lot of clues in the book of Revelation, but you have not recognized them and that because you don't have enough study on this topic.
"But watch yourselves, or your hearts will be weighed down by dissipation, drunkenness, and the worries of life—and that day will spring upon you suddenly like a snare. 35For it will come upon all who dwell on the face of all the earth. So keep watch at all times, and pray that you may have the strength to escape all that is about to happen and to stand before the Son of Man.”
So, according to the above, anyone who goes back into the world willfully living according to the sinful nature, the day will close on them like a trap, meaning they will not be gathered, but will be left on the earth during the time of God's wrath designated as "That Day." So yes, there will be many who will have stopped watching and will have gone back into the world and just like the five virgins whose lamps have gone out and who no extra oil, they will be stuck in that time period.
The resurrection of the dead and the living being changed and caught up, will be back to back, almost as one event. The resurrection and the living in Christ being changed and caught up, will take place in close proximity to each other. According to the scripture, the dead will rise first immortal and glorified and then the those still alive in Christ will be transformed immortal and glorified in an instant and will be caught up in the clouds with those who will have just resurrected. The only reason that the those living are change and caught up, is because they will still be in their bodies and will not be able to be resurrected, so they are just transformed on the spot. The entire event regarding the dead and the living being changed and caught up will take place very quickly, in an instant. At that point the entire church from beginning to end will be in the air to meet the Lord, where at which time and in keeping with John 14:1-3, He will take the entire church back to the Father's house to those places that He went to prepare for us, so that where He is, we may be also.
After that, there will be those who did not believe prior to the church being caught up, who will become believers after the fact and who will become the saints during the time of God's wrath. And I'm sure that many of them will be those who will have known of the Lord, but were living back in the sinful nature and will know what they must now go through, namely, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgements of God's wrath.
Listen up everyone - the Holy Spirit has something important to say, something that satan has blinded your minds to.
and the talk (pre-trib rapture) of such men will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus,
who have deviated from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already occurred, and they undermine the faith of some
2 Timothy 2: 17-18
What will you do when the lie of pre-trib rapture is exposed? The lie many christians put there hope in.
pre-trib teaches the lie of being LEFT BEHIND = Christ comes Before the resurrection and raptures His Bride.
pre-trib teaches the lie that AFTER the FIRST Resurrection there will be another Bride of Christ who will not be part of the FIRST Resurrection.
pre-trib teaches the lie that there is a Second Bride of Christ who cannot be part of the FIRST Resurrection and are the Saints spoken of in Daniel and Revelation who are put to death by the Antichrist.
and the talk (pre-trib rapture) of such men will spread like gangrene - this is the disease in modern laodecian christianity
I have never heard anyone say the resurrection has already occurred.
Sure. The "vaccine" is not the mark of the beast.
FIRST = I am not saying the death jab, which they call the 'vaccine' is the Mark.
Second the fake 'vaccine' is injected in your arm - by extension this can/may ( not a definite) be in line with 'the hand' in Revelation.
I am NOT saying it is but that we have to be careful.
And YES, the scripture says Hand or Forehead - YES 100% AGREE with scripture.
What we do know is that 'no one can buy or sell without the Mark and the current laws for the vaxx jab are pushing for MANDATORY.
Many people have lost their jobs, cannot go to school, cannot enter supermarkets without the current vaxx.
Israel calls the Certificate of Vaccination = 'the Marker/Green Card' and most(if not all) cannot buy or sell without it
Israel is the beast rising up from the Land, with two horns as a Lamb, and speaks like a dragon - Revelation 13:11
The Dragon is speaking to the world right now - Get Vaxxed or be imprisoned, sent to Quarantine Camps and or be EUTHANIZED (vaccinated).
The Holy Spirit, knowing all things, past/present/future directed Paul to write 2 Timothy 2:25.
It was present in the days of the Apostles and has continued and will be MOST ESPECIALLY be declared/proclaimed/spoken as we approach the Day of the Lord = His Second Coming.
If you are alive in the near future, you will hear it, just as the Lord Jesus said:
Then He said to the disciples, “The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. People will tell you, ‘Look, there He is!’ or ‘Look, here He is!’ Do not go out or chase after them. "
Have you never heard or read the "Left Behind" books that teach pre-trib rapture?
Who do you follow? The words of Christ and His Apostles or the words of men?
Same here.I follow the Lord and am not in the least bit concerned about when God sends Him back to bring His church home.
Same here.
I do wonder, though, if it doesn't play out as many think it will, will those Christians lose faith? Will those who think they'll be whisked away but end up having to "endure until the end" falter? Will they become bitter because they so fervently believed it HAD to be "this way"?
Luke 18:8 "...Nevertheless when the Son of Man cometh, shall He find faith on the earth?"
I agree with you. I see it coming. The question is, how are they going to tie it in with rejecting the Lord?
Same here.
I do wonder, though, if it doesn't play out as many think it will, will those Christians lose faith? Will those who think they'll be whisked away but end up having to "endure until the end" falter? Will they become bitter because they so fervently believed it HAD to be "this way"?
Luke 18:8 "...Nevertheless when the Son of Man cometh, shall He find faith on the earth?"
I follow the Lord and am not in the least bit concerned about when God sends Him back to bring His church home.