Has a lie crept in to our bible Does God allow demons to torment people
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look you quoted a post that was for @Gideon300 originaly with a baited question and now youve well and truly deflected from it. im not going to carry on with theese games. last chance either take part in a dicussion in a friendly manner or dont last chance
In the account of Job, God allow Satan control of any and all natural consequent, all that is temporal. He withheld His allowance for the taking of his life, a power limited exclusively to God, the giver of life. So then, I think it is reasonable to conclude that one can only give, or take, own's own possession of life, but no one other than God can neither, in all reality, give or take it. So, going on the account of Job alone, the power of life (and death) is the only thing God would never allow complete control of to any other, especially since He now has the keys...
Please get off your high horse and stop attacking others for spelling and grammar mistakes. If you cannot or do not want to read something...then don't.
Your post is uncalled for and nasty. Not everyone is distinguished in writing.
God's not grading anyone on spelling and grammar. He is, however, examining our hearts.
So please put away your red grading pen and take a closer look at the red letters in the KJV Bible... the words Jesus spoke. If nothing else, at least try to emulate the behavior you find written therein.
Your post is uncalled for and nasty. Not everyone is distinguished in writing.
God's not grading anyone on spelling and grammar. He is, however, examining our hearts.
So please put away your red grading pen and take a closer look at the red letters in the KJV Bible... the words Jesus spoke. If nothing else, at least try to emulate the behavior you find written therein.
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Ill post the question again this time to everyone in this thread. @Absolutely @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman, Now firstly befor you answer this question your welcome to not answer and your welcome to answer. and lastly thankyou also so much for parcitipating in this thread so far. This is the first question of many more to come. This thread is by no means over and your welcome to take part even if we do have a difference of oppinion. your welcome to challenge my views for ever more.
Ok let me post Job 1 first
Satan Tests Job
1 There was a man named Job, living in the land of Uz,[a] who worshiped God and was faithful to him. He was a good man, careful not to do anything evil. 2 He had seven sons and three daughters, 3 and owned seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, one thousand head of cattle, and five hundred donkeys. He also had a large number of servants and was the richest man in the East.
4 Job's sons used to take turns giving a feast, to which all the others would come, and they always invited their three sisters to join them. 5 The morning after each feast, Job would get up early and offer sacrifices for each of his children in order to purify them. He always did this because he thought that one of them might have sinned by insulting God unintentionally.
6 When the day came for the heavenly beings[b] to appear before the Lord, Satan[c] was there among them. 7 The Lord asked him, “What have you been doing?”
Satan answered, “I have been walking here and there, roaming around the earth.”8 “Did you notice my servant Job?” the Lord asked. “There is no one on earth as faithful and good as he is. He worships me and is careful not to do anything evil.”
9 Satan replied, “Would Job worship you if he got nothing out of it? 10 You have always protected him and his family and everything he owns. You bless everything he does, and you have given him enough cattle to fill the whole country. 11 But now suppose you take away everything he has—he will curse you to your face!”
12 “All right,” the Lord said to Satan, “everything he has is in your power, but you must not hurt Job himself.” So Satan left.
Job's Children and Wealth Are Destroyed
13 One day when Job's children were having a feast at the home of their oldest brother, 14 a messenger came running to Job. “We were plowing the fields with the oxen,” he said, “and the donkeys were in a nearby pasture. 15 Suddenly the Sabeans[d] attacked and stole them all. They killed every one of your servants except me. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
16 Before he had finished speaking, another servant came and said, “Lightning struck the sheep and the shepherds and killed them all. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
17 Before he had finished speaking, another servant came and said, “Three bands of Chaldean[e] raiders attacked us, took away the camels, and killed all your servants except me. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
18 Before he had finished speaking, another servant came and said, “Your children were having a feast at the home of your oldest son, 19 when a storm swept in from the desert. It blew the house down and killed them all. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
20 Then Job got up and tore his clothes in grief. He shaved his head and threw himself face downward on the ground. 21 He said, “I was born with nothing, and I will die with nothing. The Lord gave, and now he has taken away. May his name be praised!”
22 In spite of everything that had happened, Job did not sin by blaming God.
Ok so according to this scripture satan said to God in heaven in a private meating
9 Satan replied, “Would Job worship you if he got nothing out of it? 10 You have always protected him and his family and everything he owns. You bless everything he does, and you have given him enough cattle to fill the whole country. 11 But now suppose you take away everything he has—he will curse you to your face!”
And occording to the scripture God gave satan authority to test Job. to strip him of everything he had to see if Job would curse God. (question does anyone find this a bit odd ?.)
12 “All right,” the Lord said to Satan, “everything he has is in your power, but you must not hurt Job himself.” So Satan left.
Now to the questions and please do answer theese questions for me.
Fistly if we disagree its not a problem to me.
But firstly who is explaining the story of Job 1 here, whos account is it. and secondly who is this story being told to ?
2 who struck the cattle with lightening Question (Did God give satan the abiity to use Gods lightening to kill the cattle.)
3, How did the Sabeans come to kill Jobs servants, Question did satan possess them sabean people ? and did God allow that too ?
4 who caused the storm that killed Jobs children ? Question Did God Give satan the authority to command Gods weather and create a storm to Kill Jobs Children.
5 How can you believe the story of Job is accurate account of what God allows.
6 How can you believe a word satan says in this Job 1 story ?.
Ok let me post Job 1 first
Satan Tests Job
1 There was a man named Job, living in the land of Uz,[a] who worshiped God and was faithful to him. He was a good man, careful not to do anything evil. 2 He had seven sons and three daughters, 3 and owned seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, one thousand head of cattle, and five hundred donkeys. He also had a large number of servants and was the richest man in the East.
4 Job's sons used to take turns giving a feast, to which all the others would come, and they always invited their three sisters to join them. 5 The morning after each feast, Job would get up early and offer sacrifices for each of his children in order to purify them. He always did this because he thought that one of them might have sinned by insulting God unintentionally.
6 When the day came for the heavenly beings[b] to appear before the Lord, Satan[c] was there among them. 7 The Lord asked him, “What have you been doing?”
Satan answered, “I have been walking here and there, roaming around the earth.”8 “Did you notice my servant Job?” the Lord asked. “There is no one on earth as faithful and good as he is. He worships me and is careful not to do anything evil.”
9 Satan replied, “Would Job worship you if he got nothing out of it? 10 You have always protected him and his family and everything he owns. You bless everything he does, and you have given him enough cattle to fill the whole country. 11 But now suppose you take away everything he has—he will curse you to your face!”
12 “All right,” the Lord said to Satan, “everything he has is in your power, but you must not hurt Job himself.” So Satan left.
Job's Children and Wealth Are Destroyed
13 One day when Job's children were having a feast at the home of their oldest brother, 14 a messenger came running to Job. “We were plowing the fields with the oxen,” he said, “and the donkeys were in a nearby pasture. 15 Suddenly the Sabeans[d] attacked and stole them all. They killed every one of your servants except me. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
16 Before he had finished speaking, another servant came and said, “Lightning struck the sheep and the shepherds and killed them all. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
17 Before he had finished speaking, another servant came and said, “Three bands of Chaldean[e] raiders attacked us, took away the camels, and killed all your servants except me. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
18 Before he had finished speaking, another servant came and said, “Your children were having a feast at the home of your oldest son, 19 when a storm swept in from the desert. It blew the house down and killed them all. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
20 Then Job got up and tore his clothes in grief. He shaved his head and threw himself face downward on the ground. 21 He said, “I was born with nothing, and I will die with nothing. The Lord gave, and now he has taken away. May his name be praised!”
22 In spite of everything that had happened, Job did not sin by blaming God.
Ok so according to this scripture satan said to God in heaven in a private meating
9 Satan replied, “Would Job worship you if he got nothing out of it? 10 You have always protected him and his family and everything he owns. You bless everything he does, and you have given him enough cattle to fill the whole country. 11 But now suppose you take away everything he has—he will curse you to your face!”
And occording to the scripture God gave satan authority to test Job. to strip him of everything he had to see if Job would curse God. (question does anyone find this a bit odd ?.)
12 “All right,” the Lord said to Satan, “everything he has is in your power, but you must not hurt Job himself.” So Satan left.
Now to the questions and please do answer theese questions for me.
Fistly if we disagree its not a problem to me.
But firstly who is explaining the story of Job 1 here, whos account is it. and secondly who is this story being told to ?
2 who struck the cattle with lightening Question (Did God give satan the abiity to use Gods lightening to kill the cattle.)
3, How did the Sabeans come to kill Jobs servants, Question did satan possess them sabean people ? and did God allow that too ?
4 who caused the storm that killed Jobs children ? Question Did God Give satan the authority to command Gods weather and create a storm to Kill Jobs Children.
5 How can you believe the story of Job is accurate account of what God allows.
6 How can you believe a word satan says in this Job 1 story ?.
Job 1:9-11
9 Satan replied, “Would Job worship you if he got nothing out of it? 10 You have always protected him and his family and everything he owns. You bless everything he does, and you have given him enough cattle to fill the whole country. 11 But now suppose you take away everything he has—he will curse you to your face!”
I can tell you 1000 percent that what you are hearing here written in Job 1:9-11 is from a pure evil spirit. when i say pure i mean 1000 percent pure evil i know how they act and speak and i have locked eyes with them. What would Jesus say to this temptation, because thats what your reading above, Your reading satan tempting God, Would Jesus go along with this, would anyone here go along with this. would anyone entertain this type of company.
Aparently when we go to the next verse it says God falls for this temptaion and go along with it,
12 “All right,” the Lord said to Satan, “everything he has is in your power, but you must not hurt Job himself.” So Satan left.
Can everyone be sure that is a correct repersentation Of God ?. And whos account of God is Job 1. is it Job whos doing the writing ?
Jesus said to satan do not put the lord our God to the test and and get away from me.
9 Satan replied, “Would Job worship you if he got nothing out of it? 10 You have always protected him and his family and everything he owns. You bless everything he does, and you have given him enough cattle to fill the whole country. 11 But now suppose you take away everything he has—he will curse you to your face!”
I can tell you 1000 percent that what you are hearing here written in Job 1:9-11 is from a pure evil spirit. when i say pure i mean 1000 percent pure evil i know how they act and speak and i have locked eyes with them. What would Jesus say to this temptation, because thats what your reading above, Your reading satan tempting God, Would Jesus go along with this, would anyone here go along with this. would anyone entertain this type of company.
Aparently when we go to the next verse it says God falls for this temptaion and go along with it,
12 “All right,” the Lord said to Satan, “everything he has is in your power, but you must not hurt Job himself.” So Satan left.
Can everyone be sure that is a correct repersentation Of God ?. And whos account of God is Job 1. is it Job whos doing the writing ?
Jesus said to satan do not put the lord our God to the test and and get away from me.
I wasn't testing. I was putting in filler. You guys should put in an option that allows us to cancel a post if we decide that we don't want to follow through with it. I put the test up there because I decided that I did not want to put in my original post and had to put something in the space, otherwise it will show up the next time I try to post in addition to the posters information.
Kind sir Ahwatukee, your post struck me as funny, and even if only coincidentally, fittingly appropriate for the topic of conversation which includes an implied suggestion that testing is akin to tempting and helps to illustrate the albeit slight but nonetheless difference, if nothing else, between testing Job and testing God. I had an afterthought to add a funny emoji but it took me 8 minutes to realize that I should in case my play on the words was missed
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Fear not, for I am with you. Be not dismayed, for I am your mod. I will strengthen you, Yes, I will help you...
. Fear not, for I am with you. Be not dismayed, for I am your mod. I will strengthen you, Yes, I will help you...
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