Is Obedience Necessary for Salvation?

[Kidron]

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Than why Paul say murder not inherit kingdom?

The born again are already IN the Kingdom of God, as we are born again INTO IT.
We are not waiting for this......we have already become a part of it.

"Translated from darkness.............>TO LIGHT".

We the born again are become "children of the Light", ....and Jesus is the "Light of the World".

 

[Absolutely]

Let me show you something that can help you see the wonder of God's Grace.

Now, i give you the benefit of the doubt that you born again, and not just water baptized, being told that "the water washed away your sin".
So, if that happened to you, then you are water baptized, and nothing else..

Here is the thing,

On the day you trusted Christ and God took your faith as..."faith is counted as righteousness", God KNEW That DAY, of every sin you would commit later, and all the days that you were cold to God, that would happen after you were saved.
He knew all that, about you, and He saved you anyway.
He saved you anyway, Jerry, knowing of your sinning and other issues that you would do later.
Why?
Why would God save you, KNOWING that later, you would break commandments, willfully sin, and sometimes just not be concerned about God, .....?????

Why?

Because God understands that His Blood that Is Christ on the Cross, and His Death, which is Christ on The Cross.......has more power to keep you saved than you have the means by lifestyle to lose your salvation.

Notice Romans 4:8..........PAUL teaches that God does not charge your sin to you, ever again, if you are born again.

Notice that Paul teaches the REASON...... = Romans 5:20.....>"where sin abounds GRACE more abounds"..

= where sin is found GRACE is greater than your sin.

Welcome to your salvation. Its a GIFT.

Nope.
James outlines the procedure if a believer sins.

Being washed in the blood and restored back to intimacy with God is a continual dynamic.

Now if you are in a "loosy goosey a little sin wont hurt" walk then just claim that verse in corinthians " ....some are saved as through fire, they make it in but their works are burned up"

I guess they go through eternity smelling like a smoker.
.....and no crowns or rewards, but embarrased they loved this life more than sacrificing their selfish sinful indulgences to a walk of what Jesus outlined as getting on the cross. ( the death of the believer).

Has anyone mentioned " i have been crucified with christ"?????

Death first
Resurrection, holy, overcoming sin, intimacy comes AFTERWARDS.

"I PICK UP MY CROSS DAILY"

Paul had a reason to do that.

 

[Jackson123]

Exactly.

We become the righteousness of God.....because Christ joins our Spirt into His......= 'in Christ".
This spiritual UNION< is to be born again as a New Creation....>"In Christ".......having become.....>"One with GOD".

Don't you think become new creation make you be new lifestyle? New, was murde now stop murder find another job

In your doctrine

Do steal because you are forgiven

God doctrine

Do not steal

So your doctrine exactly against God doctrine

 

[Absolutely]

Nope.
James outlines the procedure if a believer sins.

Being washed in the blood and restored back to intimacy with God is a continual dynamic.

Now if you are in a "loosy goosey a little sin wont hurt" walk then just claim that verse in corinthians " ....some are saved as through fire, they make it in but their works are burned up"

I guess they go through eternity smelling like a smoker.
.....and no crowns or rewards, but embarrased they loved this life more than sacrificing their selfish sinful indulgences to a walk of what Jesus outlined as getting on the cross. ( the death of the believer).

Has anyone mentioned " i have been crucified with christ"?????

Death first
Resurrection, holy, overcoming sin, intimacy comes AFTERWARDS.

"I PICK UP MY CROSS DAILY"

Paul had a reason to do that.

Btw
I am preaching to myself

Scolding myself....not you guys

 

[Kidron]

Nope.
James outlines the procedure if a believer sins.
Being washed in the blood and restored back to intimacy with God is a continual dynamic.
Now if you are in a "loosy goosey a little sin wont hurt" walk then just claim that verse in corinthians " ....some are saved as through fire, they make it in but their works are burned up"I guess they go through eternity smelling like a smoker.
.....and no crowns or rewards, but embarrased they loved this life more than sacrificing their selfish sinful indulgences to a walk of what Jesus outlined as getting on the cross. ( the death of the believer).
Has anyone mentioned " i have been crucified with christ"?????
Death firstResurrection, holy, overcoming sin, intimacy comes AFTERWARDS."I PICK UP MY CROSS DAILY"
Paul had a reason to do that.

"present your body a living sacrifice", and "take up your Cross"......does not save you to begin with or keep you saved, at all.

See, the only thing that keeps you saved is the same thing that saved you.
That is the Blood of Jesus.

The Gospel is not......"The Cross, + your self effort to stay saved.

So, when you are trying to keep yourself saved by, self effort...."taking up the cross' and "presenting your body", then you are not trusting Christ to keep you saved.

 

[Absolutely]

Here is something to factor in;

Luke12
42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?

43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.

45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;

46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

 

[Kidron]

Here is something to factor in;

Luke12
42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Trying to teach Legalsim (self saving) by posting symbolic verses that you can't actually understand or explain, is to only prove that you are not trusting in Christ to keep you saved.

So, the real question is.....Why are you not trusting in Christ to keep you saved?

 

[Absolutely]

"present your body a living sacrifice", and "take up your Cross"......does not save you to begin with or keep you saved, at all.

See, the only thing that keeps you saved is the same thing that saved you.
That is the Blood of Jesus.

The Gospels is not......"The Cross, + your self effort to stay saved.

So, when you are trying to keep yourself saved by, self effort...."taking up the cross' and "presenting your body", then you are not trusting Christ to keep you saved.

I guess anything concerning intimacy vs a carnal selfish believer is going to the " osas" workbook of answers

 

[Absolutely]

Trying to teach Legalsim (self saving) by posting symbolic verses that you can't actually understand or explain, is to only prove that you are not trusting in Christ to keep you saved.

So, the real question is.....Why are you not trusting in Christ to keep you saved?

You are REFRAMING anything threatening osas

 

[Kidron]

Don't you think become new creation make you be new lifestyle?

The new creation is your born again SPIRIT, not your body and not your behaivor.

Your behavior is your discipleship.

Being Born again is your Salvation.

 

[Jackson123]

The born again are already IN the Kingdom of God, as we are born again INTO IT.
We are not waiting for this......we have already become a part of it.

"Translated from darkness.............>TO LIGHT".

We the born again are become "children of the Light", ....and Jesus is the "Light of the World".

Born again become children of light not murder.

 

[Kidron]

You are REFRAMING anything threatening osas

You dont even understand the correct definition of the heretical concept of OSAS.

Its this......>"license to Sin".

So, that is not the same as "one you are born again, you are always born again.

 

[Jackson123]

The new creation is your born again SPIRIT, not your body and not your behaivor.

Your behavior is your discipleship.

Being Born again is your Salvation.

So born again in spirit have no effect on body lifestyle murder keep doing murder?

 

[Kidron]

Born again become children of light not murder.

John Calvin burned a man to death.
Pope's were burning real Christians for 1500 yrs.

You have sinned after you were saved.
So, did you lose your salvation because you sinned after you were saved?
And the next time you sin, will you lose your salvation?
When you understand why you don't, you will have begun to understand .... : "The gift of Righteousness"

 

[Kidron]

So born again in spirit have no effect on body lifestyle murder keep doing murder?

Its the Spirit that is born again, not the mind and not the body.

So, you have to learn how to RENEW your mind, so that you have control of your behavior.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Its the Spirit that is born again, not the mind and not the body.

So, you have to learn how to RENEW your mind, so that you have control of your behavior.

all with the help of God, we can;t do it on our own.. But AMEN

 

[Kidron]

I guess anything concerning intimacy vs a carnal selfish believer is going to the " osas" workbook of answers

Why do you not trust Christ to keep you saved?

See, you believe that you can lose your salvation, and that is why you post "self saving" instead of : "Christ keeps me saved."
So, the real question is......Why don't you trust Christ to Keep you Saved. ???

 

[Jackson123]

The new creation is your born again SPIRIT, not your body and not your behaivor.

Your behavior is your discipleship.

Being Born again is your Salvation.

Friend, seem to me you change the Word

The Word say murder not inherit the kingdom

You change into

Murder inherit the kg only not disciple
That is big change

 

[eternally-gratefull]

John Calvin burned a man to death.
Pope's were burning real Christians for 1500 yrs.

You have sinned after you were saved.
So, did you lose your salvation because you sinned after you were saved?
And the next time you sin, will you lose your salvation?
When you understand why you don't, you will have begun to understand .... : "The gift of Righteousness"

They have a problem realizing in Gods eyes. A little white lie is just as damning as murder.

so they look at someone who murdered on person = 1 sin

yet can not see the 20 sins they committed in the past month (most likely way more than that)

and somehow think they are better, because they did not commit murder.

 

[Kidron]

all with the help of God, we can;t do it on our own.. But AMEN

Amen.

Salvation is 'all of God......its a GIFT.