Is it Biblically permissive to beat one's wife?
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Aside: the koran
As for women of whom you fear rebellion, convince them, and leave them apart in beds, and beat them. Then, if they obey you, do not seek a way against them. Surely, Allah is the Highest, the Greatest.
An-Nisa, 34
I am happy to say that some muslims are backing off from that text.
https://theconversation.com/explainer-what-islam-actually-says-about-domestic-violence-77245
As for women of whom you fear rebellion, convince them, and leave them apart in beds, and beat them. Then, if they obey you, do not seek a way against them. Surely, Allah is the Highest, the Greatest.
An-Nisa, 34
I am happy to say that some muslims are backing off from that text.
https://theconversation.com/explainer-what-islam-actually-says-about-domestic-violence-77245
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it is not what the Bible says about rape, the historical context, and Narrative provides real-life events Yet none of the sin mentioned in the bible is ever to be seen as an endorsement of the sin by God.
That is the perversion or perverting of the word of God. God allowed the following sins to be shown in HIS word to show us what is sin and offensive to God. By God's Holiness and standard and hate for sin, the following don't have to be said "Shall NOT DO" because it is a work of iniquity, unrighteous action, unholy, sinful, ungodly the mind of man creating sickness and devices of sin. which if the bible listed them all we would have another 66 books.
This is the problem with the " Carnal Christian", instead of moving away from those things that God said do not do, many try to live as close to the edge and don't fall off and go to hell, rather than fleeing youthful sinful lust we try to justify it. We have mixed so much with the world as Jesus said " what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose their soul? NOw we have devil's establishing morals relativeness and calling good evil and evil good.
The SBC and many other Evangelical fundamentalists are embracing CRT and trans-sex. We have left the word of God. Biblical ignorance and religious arrogance are ruling the day.
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this is what I always find amazing when topics like this come to a thread. From the topic thread name:
Is it Biblically permissive to beat one's wife?
The answer Biblically should be a resounding NO!
Yet 7 pages to what should be scriptural references to show the answer to this question are no, we have those who used the following over the word of God to answer this such as:
- secular humanism
- perverted shows
- feminism
- evolution
- ones own experience and unproven opinions
I find it also a great lack of discernment on my professing Christian who do not see the trollish approach to this thread and the subtle pull down in depravity in this topic. Like a sexual revolution, those here have been bamboozled from a false Narrative which started with a question of:
Is it Biblically permissive to beat one's wife?
Now let us look where it has gone and please tell me How Jesus and the word of God is the silent witness to this most edifying topic?
- ""Peter suggests that a Christian wife should be prepared to stand some abuse
- bedwetting
- "I’m not writing this from a Biblical perspective but you can’t deny this." ( please read the title to this thread )
- "I’ve read over the years and psychology articles to examine how we are wonderfully made", (the office of psychology was not given by God)
- What I believe aligns with Scripture if there is Scripture to align it with. ( not sound exegesis )
- the show two shades of gray used to explain reality from the fictional shows.
- " nobody agrees that abuse of one's wife is right
on and on it goes.
what is the last post this far what biblical truth has been made? let's see?
"This makes me think these types of men don't understand the significance of rape. A lot of men don't really understand rape, what women go through until they see movies such as Deliverance or Pulp Fiction; they are a lot of commentary on this."
"He gave me the knowledge to rebuild, and the strength to protect. "
Only if you had used the word of God over your own carnal intellect. the
Is it Biblically permissive to beat one's wife?
slice it, dice it, rename it put one's opinion add secular humanism and evolution all you want.
The answer to this question in this thread biblically is NO![/QUOTE]
That’s incorrect. There is no law against beating your wife and children. There is not any Law anymore. That’s why it’s such an open discussion. There are clear distinctions regarding homosexuality, adultery, murder and sorcery. Violence towards wives never made the list. I caught a guy breaking into our car. Everyone told me I should have pounded him. The police wouldn’t have cared if I kicked the snot out of some meth head. I didn’t though. I’m a Christian, the Body of Christ. I don’t need to use the Bible as some legal document, searching for loopholes to validate poor behaviour. If you even want to beat your wife and own slaves I question your salvation. There is no love in you.
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Deuteronomy 22:25-27 ESV
“But if in the open country a man meets a young woman who is betrothed, and the man seizes her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die. But you shall do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no offense punishable by death. For this case is like that of a man attacking and murdering his neighbor, because he met her in the open country, and though the betrothed young woman cried for help there was no one to rescue her
“But if in the open country a man meets a young woman who is betrothed, and the man seizes her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die. But you shall do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no offense punishable by death. For this case is like that of a man attacking and murdering his neighbor, because he met her in the open country, and though the betrothed young woman cried for help there was no one to rescue her
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Please correct it.
Deuteronomy 22:25-27 ESV / 1,517 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
“But if in the open country a man meets a young woman who is betrothed, and the man seizes her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die. But you shall do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no offense punishable by death. For this case is like that of a man attacking and murdering his neighbor, because he met her in the open country, and though the betrothed young woman cried for help there was no one to rescue her
Deuteronomy 22:25-27 ESV / 1,517 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
“But if in the open country a man meets a young woman who is betrothed, and the man seizes her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die. But you shall do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no offense punishable by death. For this case is like that of a man attacking and murdering his neighbor, because he met her in the open country, and though the betrothed young woman cried for help there was no one to rescue her
CS1 Said
Nothing is sexier than a woman who knows how to use a rolling pin? What ever happened to the June Cleavers out there? Every episode of Leave it to Beaver she was in the kitchen. I’m not sure most people even own a rolling pin anymore. Maybe the dudes threw them out to avoid the bruises.
When 50 shades came out, and everyone was talking about it. There was a radio DJ whose mom didn’t order stuff on line so thinking it was just some book he ordered it for her. Anyways, the callers all reported about how this book was causing their wives to go crazy sexual. Dudes who were sexually starved, all of a sudden couldn’t get a break. This is what spurred my investigation. There’s many more groups than you would believe who practice this regularly. It’s not a sexual thing. They just feel it improves their relationship, clearly defines their roles and causes the wife to be receptive sexually. The more I researched biological reasons, it points to basic instinct. Like most mammals a show of dominance in males causes these natural reactions in females.
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I did not say this I was quoting You.
yet you are trying to make it look like you said this below in post 128 you did not
this is what I always find amazing when topics like this come to a thread. From the topic thread name:
Is it Biblically permissive to beat one's wife?
The answer Biblically should be a resounding NO!
Yet 7 pages to what should be scriptural references to show the answer to this question are no, we have those who used the following over the word of God to answer this such as:
I find it also a great lack of discernment on my professing Christian who do not see the trollish approach to this thread and the subtle pull down in depravity in this topic. Like a sexual revolution, those here have been bamboozled from a false Narrative which started with a question of:
Is it Biblically permissive to beat one's wife?
Now let us look where it has gone and please tell me How Jesus and the word of God is the silent witness to this most edifying topic?
on and on it goes.
what is the last post this far what biblical truth has been made? let's see?
"This makes me think these types of men don't understand the significance of rape. A lot of men don't really understand rape, what women go through until they see movies such as Deliverance or Pulp Fiction; they are a lot of commentary on this."
"He gave me the knowledge to rebuild, and the strength to protect. "
Only if you had used the word of God over your own carnal intellect. the
Is it Biblically permissive to beat one's wife?
slice it, dice it, rename it put one's opinion add secular humanism and evolution all you want.
The answer to this question in this thread biblically is NO![/QUOTE]
That’s incorrect. There is no law against beating your wife and children. There is not any Law anymore. That’s why it’s such an open discussion. There are clear distinctions regarding homosexuality, adultery, murder, and sorcery. Violence towards wives never made the list. I caught a guy breaking into our car. Everyone told me I should have pounded him. The police wouldn’t have cared if I kicked the snot out of some meth head. I didn’t though. I’m a Christian, the Body of Christ. I don’t need to use the Bible as some legal document, searching for loopholes to validate poor behavior. If you even want to beat your wife and own slaves I question your salvation. There is no love in you.
Nothing is sexier than a woman who knows how to use a rolling pin? What ever happened to the June Cleavers out there? Every episode of Leave it to Beaver she was in the kitchen. I’m not sure most people even own a rolling pin anymore. Maybe the dudes threw them out to avoid the bruises.
When 50 shades came out, and everyone was talking about it. There was a radio DJ whose mom didn’t order stuff on line so thinking it was just some book he ordered it for her. Anyways, the callers all reported about how this book was causing their wives to go crazy sexual. Dudes who were sexually starved, all of a sudden couldn’t get a break. This is what spurred my investigation. There’s many more groups than you would believe who practice this regularly. It’s not a sexual thing. They just feel it improves their relationship, clearly defines their roles and causes the wife to be receptive sexually. The more I researched biological reasons, it points to basic instinct. Like most mammals a show of dominance in males causes these natural reactions in females.
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I did not say this I was quoting You.
yet you are trying to make it look like you said this below in post 128 you did not
this is what I always find amazing when topics like this come to a thread. From the topic thread name:
Is it Biblically permissive to beat one's wife?
The answer Biblically should be a resounding NO!
Yet 7 pages to what should be scriptural references to show the answer to this question are no, we have those who used the following over the word of God to answer this such as:
- secular humanism
- perverted shows
- feminism
- evolution
- ones own experience and unproven opinions
I find it also a great lack of discernment on my professing Christian who do not see the trollish approach to this thread and the subtle pull down in depravity in this topic. Like a sexual revolution, those here have been bamboozled from a false Narrative which started with a question of:
Is it Biblically permissive to beat one's wife?
Now let us look where it has gone and please tell me How Jesus and the word of God is the silent witness to this most edifying topic?
- ""Peter suggests that a Christian wife should be prepared to stand some abuse
- bedwetting
- "I’m not writing this from a Biblical perspective but you can’t deny this." ( please read the title to this thread )
- "I’ve read over the years and psychology articles to examine how we are wonderfully made", (the office of psychology was not given by God)
- What I believe aligns with Scripture if there is Scripture to align it with. ( not sound exegesis )
- the show two shades of gray used to explain reality from the fictional shows.
- " nobody agrees that abuse of one's wife is right
on and on it goes.
what is the last post this far what biblical truth has been made? let's see?
"This makes me think these types of men don't understand the significance of rape. A lot of men don't really understand rape, what women go through until they see movies such as Deliverance or Pulp Fiction; they are a lot of commentary on this."
"He gave me the knowledge to rebuild, and the strength to protect. "
Only if you had used the word of God over your own carnal intellect. the
Is it Biblically permissive to beat one's wife?
slice it, dice it, rename it put one's opinion add secular humanism and evolution all you want.
The answer to this question in this thread biblically is NO![/QUOTE]
That’s incorrect. There is no law against beating your wife and children. There is not any Law anymore. That’s why it’s such an open discussion. There are clear distinctions regarding homosexuality, adultery, murder, and sorcery. Violence towards wives never made the list. I caught a guy breaking into our car. Everyone told me I should have pounded him. The police wouldn’t have cared if I kicked the snot out of some meth head. I didn’t though. I’m a Christian, the Body of Christ. I don’t need to use the Bible as some legal document, searching for loopholes to validate poor behavior. If you even want to beat your wife and own slaves I question your salvation. There is no love in you.
@CS1 Don't know why but it won't let me quote your post correctly.
But I agree. I'm not sure why anyone would add the part you quoted to this thread?
Sounds like they are being too personal ( sounds somewhat perverted) and bringing lustful issues that have no real bearing on the issue at hand.
But I agree. I'm not sure why anyone would add the part you quoted to this thread?
Sounds like they are being too personal ( sounds somewhat perverted) and bringing lustful issues that have no real bearing on the issue at hand.
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CS1, I can no longer understand the communication in the contaminated post. All I can see is that you disagree with sound logic. If there was one simple Scriptural reference that says don’t beat your wife then obviously this thread would have been one page. The problem is that it doesn’t. The problem is that Christians think the entire Bible is written to them and it’s not. The OT was for the Jews and much of the NT was letters written to Churches. Then what, the Holy Spirit no longer communicates? There is no transforming of the mind? We are not allowed to use logic, reasoning and observation to make conclusions about our world? Let me ask you, is it Scriptural to invest in the stock market? It is not in the Bible. Here is my point: The OP asked a question that has no simple answer. There is a spectrum of physicality between rage induced violence and a smack on the bottom. There is interpretive difference between the Mosaic Law and the Body of Christ. There is cultural difference from what social norms were then and now, and even governmental laws and restrictions. This applies for all of Scripture. Not to mention how my child would respond to one type of discipline wouldn’t be the same as yours. We are to pray without ceasing for a reason. This is how God wants us to discern our actions in our situations. Going to a book for indirect answers when you can personally ask the Author is stupid. If you don’t like the conversation then go find another thread to heckle. Your clear objection to this permitted discussion doesn’t add to the topic. It’s being unnecessarily combative.
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Many people have already provided a lot of great quotes from scripture as to why it is wrong to beat your spouse but there is more to say
1) If your partner is physically or mentally abusing you (husband or wife), then first move out to a place of safety and take the children if you have them (particularly in the case of physical abuse). You do not have to take it. Get family/friends and/or the authorities to help if required.
2) Explain to your partner that you will no longer tolerate this behaviour. Whether they are Christian or not they must agree to therapy from a faith-based therapist or normal therapist. Keep a dialogue open with them. Pray for them and try to support them in their attempts to heal. You will have to make a choice if they are genuine or not.
3) The therapist should be able to advise on progress and whether it is safe to meet with them. Obviously, visit in a neutral place at first.
4) Do not be angry with them. Explain the situation and that there is a path to reconciliation but only if they agree to whatever terms are required. Obviously a personal choice.
5) Consult with your pastor and get support from your Church especially if you were both attendings.
Physical abuse against a spouse is a crime in most countries and the victim needs to consider reporting that crime as we are obliged to follow the laws of the country we live in. That would be a personal choice though depending upon the severity, frequency and other factors.
So no, it is never right to hit your spouse unless you are defending yourself from an attack, and we also have to live with the laws of the country we live in.
If the spouse cannot stop the behaviour then separation and divorce is also a strong possibility.
1) If your partner is physically or mentally abusing you (husband or wife), then first move out to a place of safety and take the children if you have them (particularly in the case of physical abuse). You do not have to take it. Get family/friends and/or the authorities to help if required.
2) Explain to your partner that you will no longer tolerate this behaviour. Whether they are Christian or not they must agree to therapy from a faith-based therapist or normal therapist. Keep a dialogue open with them. Pray for them and try to support them in their attempts to heal. You will have to make a choice if they are genuine or not.
3) The therapist should be able to advise on progress and whether it is safe to meet with them. Obviously, visit in a neutral place at first.
4) Do not be angry with them. Explain the situation and that there is a path to reconciliation but only if they agree to whatever terms are required. Obviously a personal choice.
5) Consult with your pastor and get support from your Church especially if you were both attendings.
Physical abuse against a spouse is a crime in most countries and the victim needs to consider reporting that crime as we are obliged to follow the laws of the country we live in. That would be a personal choice though depending upon the severity, frequency and other factors.
So no, it is never right to hit your spouse unless you are defending yourself from an attack, and we also have to live with the laws of the country we live in.
If the spouse cannot stop the behaviour then separation and divorce is also a strong possibility.
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