If YESUAH says that the wicked is gather FIRST, WHY ARE some people looking for a rapture,??? Who does the say was taken in the flood.???

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TheDivineWatermark

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ewq1938 said:
The flood did take the Ark away to a new place with Noah and his family.
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Well, consider this...

Same Greek "took [G3880]" word as found in Matt24:40-41 and Lk17:34,35,36 ("taken [G3880] and left"):


Matthew 27:27 -
"Then the soldiers of the governor took G3880 Jesus into the common hall, and gathered unto him the whole band of soldiers."


John 19:16 -
"Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took G3880 Jesus, and led him away."




Were either of these two instances TO CHUMMY ENDS (in relation to the ones who "took" Him)??

No.




So, like I've said in past posts... it depends on WHO is DOING the "took [/take]" and TO WHAT END (whether to positive or negative ends... depending on context). It's not a word that leads only to the "positive" ends, see...
 
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TheDivineWatermark said:
Well, consider this...

Same Greek "took [G3880]" word as found in Matt24:40-41 and Lk17:34,35,36 ("taken [G3880] and left"):
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It's not the same word:

Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took (G142) them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken (G3880), and the other left.




Matthew 27:27 -
"Then the soldiers of the governor took G3880 Jesus into the common hall, and gathered unto him the whole band of soldiers."


John 19:16 -
"Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took G3880 Jesus, and led him away."




Were either of these two instances TO CHUMMY ENDS (in relation to the ones who "took" Him)??

No.
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Lol...it is a positive thing Christ was taken to be sentenced to death because that was how his blood could save so many souls! G3880 is a positive form of taking and it is another way to speak of the rapture as they will be taken up to the clouds.





So, like I've said in past posts... it depends on WHO is DOING the "took [/take]" and TO WHAT END (whether to positive or negative ends... depending on context). It's not a word that leads only to the "positive" ends, see...
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It did end positively, see...
 
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ewq1938 said:
It's not the same word:

Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took (G142) them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken (G3880), and the other left.
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Yeah, but I left off the other half of my study coz I thought you and I had already covered this in past posts (unless you don't remember it):


[quoting from that old post]

Consider (alongside my points re: Matt24:38-39's use of the word "G142"):

"took [/take; G142]" (as used in the following) -


--Revelation 18:21 - "And one mighty angel took up [G142] a stone like a great millstone and cast it into the sea, saying: 'Thus Babylon will be cast down with violence, the great city, and shall never be found any longer."


--1 Corinthians 5:2 - "And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away [G142] from among you."


--Acts 8:33 [2x] (Isa53:8) - "In his humiliation his judgment was taken away [G142]: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken [G142] from the earth."


--John 11:48 - "If we shall let Him alone like this, all will believe in Him, and the Romans will come and will take away [G142] both our place and nation."



So, as I see it, it depends on "who" is doing the "taking" and "to what end / for what purpose";) (whether a "positive" or a "negative" kind of thing)

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[by "to positive or negative ends," I mean things like being saved/rescued from a situation versus being taken to a judgment kind of thing; ... of course you and I know that the negative things that happened to Jesus were purposed by God and to ultimate good ends--I trust you grasp we all accept this--however, the individuals stated to have "took / taken" Jesus, were not taking Him for "CHUMMY" purposes, as some suggest this G3880 word only ever conveys... it doesn't, only]
 
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TheDivineWatermark said:
Well, consider this...

Same Greek "took [G3880]" word as found in Matt24:40-41 and Lk17:34,35,36 ("taken [G3880] and left"):


Matthew 27:27 -
"Then the soldiers of the governor took G3880 Jesus into the common hall, and gathered unto him the whole band of soldiers."


John 19:16 -
"Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took G3880 Jesus, and led him away."




Were either of these two instances TO CHUMMY ENDS (in relation to the ones who "took" Him)??

No.




So, like I've said in past posts... it depends on WHO is DOING the "took [/take]" and TO WHAT END (whether to positive or negative ends... depending on context). It's not a word that leads only to the "positive" ends, see...
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The main problem would be " before the flood"

Meaning Gods people dealt with and doomed sinners ( the entire planets population) soon to die.

Before the flood..." This"

At the onslaught of the judgement....." That"

Nothing " after" the flood.

What we have in the flood is the entire population destroyed.

At the second coming only part of earths pop is destroyed.

So,no matter what , we are dealing with preflood, rapture dynamics.
So one taken/ left can not be wicked taken and righteous left.
Impossible
 
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