Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future
- Thread starter Nehemiah6
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
It's funny because everyone knows that Matthew, Mark, and Luke basically mirror one another. But when it comes to your [Made Up Doctrine] suddenly they're not talking about the same Event. Surely you can't be serious here? No one in their right mind can believe this speaks of 2 separate Events!
-
3
- Show all
Nope, because Matthew-Mark-Luke all mirror one another and all speak of the same Events. Only a person who is prideful will stand on the basis that We have Christ in ALL 3 Books around the same time frame in ALL 3 Books speaking about the SAME EVENT in all 3 Books and turn it into different Events.
Christ warned us of these people. he called then [ANTICHRISTS]!
Christ warned us of these people. he called then [ANTICHRISTS]!
-
2
- Show all
The problem is that you are peddling false doctrine.
I doubt taking your injured feelings to a higher court than the court
of Christian opinion will help you.
You need to feel injured, as only through pain you may snap out of the ungodly witchcraft
of false teaching and pernicious doctrines.
Yahshua has told you already, but once again, let it be understood that the AoD to which
you and TDW refer in Daniel 12 has occurred by or before AD73, when the 70th week concluded and the Israelites had been scattered, as everything else prophesied in Daniel will be finished then.
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
I blew/blue it up for you.
I doubt taking your injured feelings to a higher court than the court
of Christian opinion will help you.
You need to feel injured, as only through pain you may snap out of the ungodly witchcraft
of false teaching and pernicious doctrines.
Yahshua has told you already, but once again, let it be understood that the AoD to which
you and TDW refer in Daniel 12 has occurred by or before AD73, when the 70th week concluded and the Israelites had been scattered, as everything else prophesied in Daniel will be finished then.
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
I blew/blue it up for you.
-
1
- Show all
Where people are getting what I am saying at is different is because they don't realize that we are all [Partial Preterist]. That's a BIG DIFFERENCE from full Preterist.
Definition to what a Partial Preterist is:
Someone who believes that some, not all prophecies have been fulfilled.
Definition to what a Full a Preterist is:
Someone who believes that all prophecy has been fulfilled.
We are [ALL] Partial Preterist because we know the majority of prophecy has been fulfilled but not ALL prophecy has been fulfilled!
Definition to what a Partial Preterist is:
Someone who believes that some, not all prophecies have been fulfilled.
Definition to what a Full a Preterist is:
Someone who believes that all prophecy has been fulfilled.
We are [ALL] Partial Preterist because we know the majority of prophecy has been fulfilled but not ALL prophecy has been fulfilled!
Here is where we are now:
Luke 21:
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
In 1948, Israel became [for the first time ever in its history] a Recognized State.
Since 1948, Israel's population has boomed greater than it ever has.
It's Military competes with the likes of the USA, Russia, and China.
Without a shadow of the doubt, in 1948, Luke 21:24 [until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.] had been fulfilled.
If we look at the weather today and how erratic it is, if we look at humanity today and how panicked the Democrats are, if we look at Covid-19 and how this Virus will [NEVER DIE] and it's on its 4th Variant now, if we look at Abortion, Crime Rate, if we look at the Governments forcing Same Sex People are to be accepted as equals, we know for certain we are in the period of Luke 21:25-28
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
Luke 21:
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
In 1948, Israel became [for the first time ever in its history] a Recognized State.
Since 1948, Israel's population has boomed greater than it ever has.
It's Military competes with the likes of the USA, Russia, and China.
Without a shadow of the doubt, in 1948, Luke 21:24 [until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.] had been fulfilled.
If we look at the weather today and how erratic it is, if we look at humanity today and how panicked the Democrats are, if we look at Covid-19 and how this Virus will [NEVER DIE] and it's on its 4th Variant now, if we look at Abortion, Crime Rate, if we look at the Governments forcing Same Sex People are to be accepted as equals, we know for certain we are in the period of Luke 21:25-28
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
-
2
- Show all
To be abundantly clear, what I've stated is that only PARTS of Luke 21 are about the events surrounding 70ad (vv.12-24a, with 24b following on from there [the "UNTIL" part is not CONCLUDED until the END of the future Trib yrs, "Jerusalem... TRODDEN DOWN OF"... also per Rev11:2]);
...whereas ALL of Matt24:4 and onward (thru both chpts) is the far-future Trib years (7 yrs / "ONE WEEK"), because "the beginning of birth PANGS [Matt24:4-8 / Mk13:5-8 / Lk21:8-11] are EQUIVALENT to the "SEALS" of Rev6 IN/WITHIN what Rev1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1 calls the 'IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period [parallel Lk18:8 (2Th1:7-9) and Rom16:20 (1Cor6:3[14])]--NOT that which unfolds over the course of some near-2000 yrs... and not speaking of "the things WHICH ARE" which BY CONTRAST are things NOT said of them are "things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" as these are (starting with the 4:1 "SHOW" and INCLUDING the FIRST SEAL, aka the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" that Paul says is the ARRIVAL OF "the day of the Lord" time-period, that COMES UPON a woman... per 1Th5:2-3 [/2Th2:3-9a]... aka the "IN THE NIGHT" ["DARK / DARKNESS"] time period that IS the 7-yr TRIB / "FOR ONE WEEK"--that WE/the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY will NOT be present ON THE EARTH for)...
That is, ALL of Matt24:4 and onward is far-future and describes what FOLLOWS "our Rapture" event
...whereas ALL of Matt24:4 and onward (thru both chpts) is the far-future Trib years (7 yrs / "ONE WEEK"), because "the beginning of birth PANGS [Matt24:4-8 / Mk13:5-8 / Lk21:8-11] are EQUIVALENT to the "SEALS" of Rev6 IN/WITHIN what Rev1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1 calls the 'IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period [parallel Lk18:8 (2Th1:7-9) and Rom16:20 (1Cor6:3[14])]--NOT that which unfolds over the course of some near-2000 yrs... and not speaking of "the things WHICH ARE" which BY CONTRAST are things NOT said of them are "things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" as these are (starting with the 4:1 "SHOW" and INCLUDING the FIRST SEAL, aka the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" that Paul says is the ARRIVAL OF "the day of the Lord" time-period, that COMES UPON a woman... per 1Th5:2-3 [/2Th2:3-9a]... aka the "IN THE NIGHT" ["DARK / DARKNESS"] time period that IS the 7-yr TRIB / "FOR ONE WEEK"--that WE/the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY will NOT be present ON THE EARTH for)...
That is, ALL of Matt24:4 and onward is far-future and describes what FOLLOWS "our Rapture" event
-
1
- Show all
^ I trust that by my past posts you know I mean that some verses (following Matt24:4 and onward, in the TWO CHPTS) speak also of His "RETURN" to the earth--note especially that Matt24:42-51 is parallel to Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44,45-48 "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding..." (i.e. as an ALREADY-WED Bridegroom, having ALREADY DONE the "PRESENT TO" thing [so returning "WITH" His "Bride/Wife"])... THEN the meal [G347--; i.e. the earthly MK age]
... so I'm not saying that Matt24:4+ thru the TWO CHPTS is speaking *only* of the [7] TRIB yrs, to be clear
... so I'm not saying that Matt24:4+ thru the TWO CHPTS is speaking *only* of the [7] TRIB yrs, to be clear
-
1
- Show all
How can Luke 21:25 mean "here is where we are now"? That would be really stretching it. Luke 21 and Mark 13 must be coordinated with Matthew 24, and what we read in verse 25 here is events AFTER the Great Tribulation (Mt 24:29).
There is a sequence of events in the Olivet Discourse stretching from the first coming of Christ all the way to His second coming, and beyond. And the first five seals of Revelation were operative from the 1st century but continue to intensify to this day. But there is no mention of the Resurrection/Rapture in this passage.
There is a sequence of events in the Olivet Discourse stretching from the first coming of Christ all the way to His second coming, and beyond. And the first five seals of Revelation were operative from the 1st century but continue to intensify to this day. But there is no mention of the Resurrection/Rapture in this passage.
I've already stated in past posts with you, that v.2 is speaking of the events surrounding 70ad, JUST AS Matt22:7 is; and JUST AS Lk19:41-44 is (Jesus SAID on the very day that the "69 Wks [total]" were CONCLUDED; and DID the Zech9:9 thing); and JUST AS Lk21:6 and Mk13:2 is; and JUST AS Lk21:12-24a is... etc...
First off, I'd like to know if you see Luke 21:8-11 as being identical events as that of Matt24:4-8 and Mk13:5-8, even though Lk21:8-11 does not LABEL them as "the beginning of birth pangs"... and then whether or not you see v.12 as saying "BUT BEFORE ALL THESE" as referring to what was just described in vv.8-11 (namely the beginning of birth pangs in those verses), and that what v.12 refers to as coming "BUT BEFORE ALL THESE [beginning of birth pangs]" is what is found in vv.12-24a (i.e. these verses describing the events surrounding 70ad, which must come "BEFORE ALL THESE" vv.8-11 things).
Do you see this much?
First off, I'd like to know if you see Luke 21:8-11 as being identical events as that of Matt24:4-8 and Mk13:5-8, even though Lk21:8-11 does not LABEL them as "the beginning of birth pangs"... and then whether or not you see v.12 as saying "BUT BEFORE ALL THESE" as referring to what was just described in vv.8-11 (namely the beginning of birth pangs in those verses), and that what v.12 refers to as coming "BUT BEFORE ALL THESE [beginning of birth pangs]" is what is found in vv.12-24a (i.e. these verses describing the events surrounding 70ad, which must come "BEFORE ALL THESE" vv.8-11 things).
Do you see this much?
-
1
- Show all
COMPLETELY DISTINCT THINGS they are to "SEE" (and then "FLEE" regarding)... correct!
--when ye shall SEE Jerusalem compassed by armies...
--when ye THEREFORE shall SEE the AOD [singular/singular] spoken of by Daniel the prophet... (i.e. Dan12:11 "AOD [singular/singular] SET UP [H5414]")
--when ye shall SEE Jerusalem compassed by armies...
--when ye THEREFORE shall SEE the AOD [singular/singular] spoken of by Daniel the prophet... (i.e. Dan12:11 "AOD [singular/singular] SET UP [H5414]")
-
1
- Show all
And I've already vehemently disagreed.
I am not suddenly going to find your odd understanding acceptable.
There is a whole cult being built around your aberrant reading -
it creates a warped discourse for us all, so we always have to correct it.
I am not going back 30 posts to show you how your influence has poisoned the discourse.
I am not suddenly going to find your odd understanding acceptable.
There is a whole cult being built around your aberrant reading -
it creates a warped discourse for us all, so we always have to correct it.
I am not going back 30 posts to show you how your influence has poisoned the discourse.
-
1
- Show all