Unconditional love and the church's approach to homosexuality

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eternally-gratefull

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JerryInBoston said:
You miss the point. God doesn't change; God doesn't fall away; God doesn't abandon anyone. People change, fall away, and abandon God.
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Your right god does not change

So a person who claims to have faith and later walked away NEVER HAD FAITH, they walked away because they felt nothing from God and they did not experience Gods love, hence why they walked away to begin with

It’s not that God failed them, it’s that God knew they did not have real faith
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Your right god does not change

So a person who claims to have faith and later walked away NEVER HAD FAITH, they walked away because they felt nothing from God and they did not experience Gods love, hence why they walked away to begin with

It’s not that God failed them, it’s that God knew they did not have real faith
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Jesus said the church at Ephesus: Revelation 2: "4Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent."

They loved the Lord but fell away, abandoned their first love.

Looks like they have to repent, again.
 
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kaylagrl

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JerryInBoston said:
Do you believe God gave us free will? If so, God loves us so much that HE gave us the free will that allows us to reject HIM; HE loves us so much that HE gave us the free will that allows us to rebel against HIM; HE loves us so much that HE gace us the free will that allows us to sin against HIM; and yes, HE loves us so much that HE gave us the the free will to make a choice to either live eternally with HIM in heaven or live eternally without HIM in hell. Would God have loved us more if he made us as machineswith no free will, that we could do no wrong and commit no sins because we are programmed accordngly?
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I didn't say anything about free will. I zeroed in on your comment, I highlighted it because it was oddly phrased. Period.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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JerryInBoston said:
Jesus said the church at Ephesus: Revelation 2: "4Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent."

They loved the Lord but fell away, abandoned their first love.

Looks like they have to repent, again.
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THE CHURCH

Learn the difference between a church in a city full of many people and individuals in that church

God has removed the lamp stand from many churches because they have lost their way. Not because individuals left
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
THE CHURCH

Learn the difference between a church in a city full of many people and individuals in that church

God has removed the lamp stand from many churches because they have lost their way. Not because individuals left
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You think a church is not made of individuals? Ekklesia is the word in Greek and means those PEOPLE that are called out or assembled.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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JerryInBoston said:
You think a church is not made of individuals? Ekklesia is the word in Greek and means those PEOPLE that are called out or assembled.
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People plural

He threatened to removed the lamp stand from the Church in that city

Not an individual who fell away

Why are you fighting so hard to reject grace
 
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kaylagrl

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JerryInBoston said:
I asked you about free will. What's your response?
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Response is the same. We're not going down rabbit trails. I get that you're a right fighter and we not playing that game here. Your comment that God lovingly sends people to hell was weird. He doesn't. It grieves him. My point hasn't changed and we're not going till point 2 till we get past point one.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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kaylagrl said:
Response is the same. We're not going down rabbit trails. I get that you're a right fighter and we not playing that game here. Your comment that God lovingly sends people to hell was weird. He doesn't. It grieves him. My point hasn't changed and we're not going till point 2 till we get past point one.
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Stand firm, they love to skip past the ones they either can’t or do not want to answer
 
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kaylagrl said:
Response is the same. We're not going down rabbit trails. I get that you're a right fighter and we not playing that game here. Your comment that God lovingly sends people to hell was weird. He doesn't. It grieves him. My point hasn't changed and we're not going till point 2 till we get past point one.
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God relents. God repents. God was sorry he made man and destroyed all, save eight. Jesus wept. The Holy Spirit can be grieved. What's all that mean? God wants none to perish but for all to come to repentance, but not all do. In fact, most don't. And those that don't go to hell, and God knows this. Where do you read explicitly that God grieves over those that reject him and are hellbound?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
People plural

He threatened to removed the lamp stand from the Church in that city

Not an individual who fell away

Why are you fighting so hard to reject grace
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Yes, the people of that assembly were apostates. The people of that assembly left their first love. The people of that assembly were commanded to repent, again.
 
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JerryInBoston said:
Yes, the people of that assembly were apostates. The people of that assembly left their first love. The people of that assembly were commanded to repent, again.
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🤣 I am saved by grace, bro. But I told you so more than once. Why can't you understand that. Are you a leftist Democrat?
 
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kaylagrl

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JerryInBoston said:
Northerners? 😆 So, you make assumptions based on a screen name often, or always? 🤣
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Jerrys not in Boston ?? :eek::eek: You live there you are one or you become one. rofl
 
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eternally-gratefull

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JerryInBoston said:
Yes, the people of that assembly were apostates. The people of that assembly left their first love. The people of that assembly were commanded to repent, again.
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The church lefts its first love

To try to use that to say a person who leaves is cast out is rediculous
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
The church lefts its first love

To try to use that to say a person who leaves us cast out is rediculous
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Who is the church? It's people. 🤣 A whole bunch of people being led by a hyper-grace false preacher, no doubt. Therefore, a whole bunch of people fell away, apostacized, left their first love. C'mon sunshine, you'll get there.
 
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