Unconditional love and the church's approach to homosexuality
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I don't alienate anyone. I pray for and welcome all sinners to come to repentance and faith in Jesus. If they feel alienated because of the guilt of their sins, that's the grip of Satan on their hearts. All they have to do is trust in the Lord with all their heart and lean not on their own understanding and Satan won't have a foothold anymore.
Why do I feel like I'm playing a game of "I know you are, but what am I?" with several posters here? 
I didn't fail to understand, it was just oddly stated "and loves them so much that HE allows them to spend eternity ..." If you meant to say it differently then fine. I just pointed out how odd that comment was. I don't believe God sends people to hell either. But He doesn't lovingly allow them to go to hell either. Just an odd turn of phrase you used.
I didn't fail to understand, it was just oddly stated "and loves them so much that HE allows them to spend eternity ..." If you meant to say it differently then fine. I just pointed out how odd that comment was. I don't believe God sends people to hell either. But He doesn't lovingly allow them to go to hell either. Just an odd turn of phrase you used.
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I don’t expect you to see that you can say this all day long, but when you proclaim one can fall away that they can return to sin, and In The end lose that salvation. in my view. You in effect claim you will be saved based on your power or ability to continue to walk and keep whatever view of Gods commands need to be kept in Order to be saved
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Yeah he does
he also gave us eternal life
do you think he is going to give eternal life to someone he KNOWS will reject him ten years from now?
or do you doubt Gods omniscience, and and thing I ten year God says, “Oh myself“ (oh God) I did not know he would reject me, I must take my gift of eternal life back. He fooled me” !
he also gave us eternal life
do you think he is going to give eternal life to someone he KNOWS will reject him ten years from now?
or do you doubt Gods omniscience, and and thing I ten year God says, “Oh myself“ (oh God) I did not know he would reject me, I must take my gift of eternal life back. He fooled me” !
I've never done what you're suggesting. That said, if someone who claims to be a follower of Jesus Christ tells me they are watching porn or getting drunk or in adulterous affair or cheating on a school exam or stealing from their employer or planning to murder their boss or fornicating with their fiancé or in homosexual relationship or committing any other sin, I would tell them it is sinful to do so and encourage them to stop and get on te narrow path through the difficult gate for Jesus's namesake. Just like I would encourage a brother or sister in Christ who is on the narrow path and has gone through the difficult gate to keep on keepin' on because the fight is not yet won and the race is not yet over.
What would you say: "you don't have to stop, Jesus loves you this I know"?
What would you say: "you don't have to stop, Jesus loves you this I know"?
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God is all-knowing, including knowing in advance those who will claim salvation but will in the end apostacize. God gives eternal life to only those of us that love Him and are obedient to Him, namely: those of us He rebirths with the Holy Spirit, those of us that continue to walk with Him and are obedient to Him, those of us that abide in Him until He either calls us to Him or when He comes and snatches us at His return.
I did not twist scripture you just refuse to accept what it clearly says. "For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found..." Luke 15:24 In this case the father did not go after the son. He waited in great expectation for his son to come to his senses and return to him. Again, while he was away he was considered dead.
You can go off in whatever direction you like. The scripture still says what it says.
You can go off in whatever direction you like. The scripture still says what it says.
People leave the faith, indeed some never come to faith, and return to or stay in a state of rebellion for any number of reasons. John Calvin said that God's grace is irresistible, yet people hear the gospel message, acknowledge it as a great message, either come to faith or don't come to faith, and some that do come to faith later fall away (apostacize) for whatever reason. We see it because they make headlines: pop pastors, Christian musicians, philosophers, etc. Why?
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You missed the whole point
You don’t come to faith then walk away unless God is untrustworthy,
Those who fall away were never of us, if they were of us they would have stayed (the apostle John)
He who does not believe is condemned already, Jesus did nit say he who believed then later stops believing become condemned again
You don’t come to faith then walk away unless God is untrustworthy,
Those who fall away were never of us, if they were of us they would have stayed (the apostle John)
He who does not believe is condemned already, Jesus did nit say he who believed then later stops believing become condemned again