Do catholics worship God or the pope?
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it was promoting the RCC as I said 
which you are here to do. Your belief is unbiblical and error.
which you are here to do. Your belief is unbiblical and error.
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Jesus uses multiple parables in Matthew Chapter 13 that speak to this. Paul's comment concerns the true church that is comprised of genuine not counterfeit Christians. Revelation speaks to the fact that there is a true and false Christianity. In the Word the true church/bride of Christ is depicted as a virgin and a false one is represented by a Harlot. (Rev. 17)
Matthew 13:31-32
The leaven - false doctrine (v. 33). The mustard seed illustrates the false outward expansion of the kingdom, while the leaven illustrates the inward development of false doctrine and false living. Throughout the Bible, leaven is a symbol of evil. It had to be removed from the Jewish homes during Passover (Ex 12:15-19; 13:7). It was excluded from the sacrifices (Ex 34:35), with the exception of the loaves used at the Feast of Pentecost (Lev 23:15-21). But there the loaves symbolized Jews and Gentiles in the church, and there is sin in the church.
Jesus used leaven to picture hypocrisy (Luke 12:1), false teaching (Matt 16:6-12), and worldly compromise (Matt 22:16-21). Paul used leaven to picture carnality in the church (1 Cor 5:6-8) as well as false doctrine (Gal 5:9). Sin is like leaven (yeast): It quietly grows, it corrupts, and it "puffs up" (1 Cor 4:18-19; 5:2; 8:1). It would seem that making the growth of the leaven a picture of the spread of the Gospel throughout the world would violate the meaning of this important symbol. It would also contradict the other parables.
Satan has worked hard to introduce false doctrine and false living into the ministry of the Word of God. From the very early days of the church, true believers have battled false doctrine and hypocrisy. How sad it is that some churches and schools that were once true to the Word have turned from the truth to fables. "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good" is sound counsel (1 Thess 5:21).
The kingdom of heaven began with the sowing of the Word of God in the hearts of men. Much of the seed did not bear fruit; but some was fruitful. Satan opposed the work of God by sowing counterfeit Christians, by encouraging a false growth, and by introducing false doctrine. It would seem that Satan is winning. But the test is at the end of the age, not during the age.
(from The Bible Exposition Commentary)
Matthew 13:31-32
The leaven - false doctrine (v. 33). The mustard seed illustrates the false outward expansion of the kingdom, while the leaven illustrates the inward development of false doctrine and false living. Throughout the Bible, leaven is a symbol of evil. It had to be removed from the Jewish homes during Passover (Ex 12:15-19; 13:7). It was excluded from the sacrifices (Ex 34:35), with the exception of the loaves used at the Feast of Pentecost (Lev 23:15-21). But there the loaves symbolized Jews and Gentiles in the church, and there is sin in the church.
Jesus used leaven to picture hypocrisy (Luke 12:1), false teaching (Matt 16:6-12), and worldly compromise (Matt 22:16-21). Paul used leaven to picture carnality in the church (1 Cor 5:6-8) as well as false doctrine (Gal 5:9). Sin is like leaven (yeast): It quietly grows, it corrupts, and it "puffs up" (1 Cor 4:18-19; 5:2; 8:1). It would seem that making the growth of the leaven a picture of the spread of the Gospel throughout the world would violate the meaning of this important symbol. It would also contradict the other parables.
Satan has worked hard to introduce false doctrine and false living into the ministry of the Word of God. From the very early days of the church, true believers have battled false doctrine and hypocrisy. How sad it is that some churches and schools that were once true to the Word have turned from the truth to fables. "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good" is sound counsel (1 Thess 5:21).
The kingdom of heaven began with the sowing of the Word of God in the hearts of men. Much of the seed did not bear fruit; but some was fruitful. Satan opposed the work of God by sowing counterfeit Christians, by encouraging a false growth, and by introducing false doctrine. It would seem that Satan is winning. But the test is at the end of the age, not during the age.
(from The Bible Exposition Commentary)
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We’re in a thread specifically made to talk about a belief about Catholic worship.
If you don’t want Catholic beliefs being brought up, then don’t allow the threads asking about Catholic beliefs to exist.
That’s why you’re assertions are so ridiculous. You don’t seem to know what thread you’re in or you’re doing a bad job at allowing threads about Catholicism to exist.
If you don’t want Catholic beliefs being brought up, then don’t allow the threads asking about Catholic beliefs to exist.
That’s why you’re assertions are so ridiculous. You don’t seem to know what thread you’re in or you’re doing a bad job at allowing threads about Catholicism to exist.
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"None of you actually read what Catholics believe from the Catholic sources that spell it out clearly."
you can get mad and attack me and as I see soon you will result in name-calling.
I said Your belief is unbiblical and in error and leading people to hell. here in CC, we allow many " bad Threads to give you and others the benefit of the doubt, CC is long-suffering I can ensure you those in the RCC Chats would not allow me to post a thread that says
"why the RCC is Unbiblical and in error.
"None of you actually read what Catholics believe from the Catholic sources that spell it out clearly."
you can get mad and attack me and as I see soon you will result in name-calling.
I said Your belief is unbiblical and in error and leading people to hell. here in CC, we allow many " bad Threads to give you and others the benefit of the doubt, CC is long-suffering I can ensure you those in the RCC Chats would not allow me to post a thread that says
"why the RCC is Unbiblical and in error.
Catholicism is a cradle to grave faith. Jesus is the centre of the faith, just like in any other church. The (belief is that the) Pope is the elected descendant of Peter, whom Jesus gave authority to. Do we worship the Pope? Most definitely not. Do we listen to him, of course. But like any word given in a non Catholic church, it has to be tested scripturally and in the spirit.
I think of Catholic Vs Protestantism like milks; The Protestant version of Christianity is Jesus light - you focus on your personal relationship with Jesus and the trinity and wait for the rapture, his return and judgement day and the rapture. And their is absolutely nothing wrong with this - you'll get to heaven just fine.
Catholicism on the other hand is the full cream Jesus. He's the reason for our season too, we also eagerly await for his return. But we believe in obedience to the body of Christ (the church and it's teachings) We also believe in heavenly helpers in the form of Angels, Saints and Jesus' own mother, Mary. We believe that just like here on earth, these helpers in heaven can hear our prayers and pray for us / perform works. Just like in the old testament such as when God sent the 2 angels into Sodom and Gomorrah to assess the situation .
It's all this extra stuff that confuses non Catholics, but rest assured - no Jesus, no salvation. Know Jesus, know salvation is very much a catchphrase in our church too.
I think of Catholic Vs Protestantism like milks; The Protestant version of Christianity is Jesus light - you focus on your personal relationship with Jesus and the trinity and wait for the rapture, his return and judgement day and the rapture. And their is absolutely nothing wrong with this - you'll get to heaven just fine.
Catholicism on the other hand is the full cream Jesus. He's the reason for our season too, we also eagerly await for his return. But we believe in obedience to the body of Christ (the church and it's teachings) We also believe in heavenly helpers in the form of Angels, Saints and Jesus' own mother, Mary. We believe that just like here on earth, these helpers in heaven can hear our prayers and pray for us / perform works. Just like in the old testament such as when God sent the 2 angels into Sodom and Gomorrah to assess the situation .
It's all this extra stuff that confuses non Catholics, but rest assured - no Jesus, no salvation. Know Jesus, know salvation is very much a catchphrase in our church too.
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I can see an old member back in a new name.
1. the Pope is not a descendant of Peter the pope is not even Jewish.
"Catholicism on the other hand is the full cream Jesus"
perverted. comment if I ever saw one. it's even profane making common the Lord, Cream? really? This is the BDF, not the RCC defense Form.
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Oh come now, don't be so precious. You are correct in that this is not a RCC defense forum, but you are clearly taking an attack position.....
And I'm pretty sure Jesus wouldn't find milk offensive - he ate and drank like we all do.
Remember, hating and berating Catholics doesn't bring you closer to Jesus. Praising him does and on that front I am sure we can find common ground in that we both believe he is our risen Lord and without him our collective faith is worthless.
And I'm pretty sure Jesus wouldn't find milk offensive - he ate and drank like we all do.
Remember, hating and berating Catholics doesn't bring you closer to Jesus. Praising him does and on that front I am sure we can find common ground in that we both believe he is our risen Lord and without him our collective faith is worthless.
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We do not take God who is Jesus and call him cream. Ridiculous. I don't hate the catholic people my mother was deceived in the RCC for years as was I. Great people stuck in this abusive heretical denomination. The doctrine of the RCC is free game.
Jesus is the only way, the only truth, and the only life. Peter can't do it, nor praying to dead saints. The Pope is not authoritative as the Word of God, Mary can't pray for you and we should not pray to her.
There is no compromise or common ground on that. IF you agree with what I have said amen. If you disagree you are in error and the RCC will not be accepted in this forum as Biblical.
Jesus is the only way, the only truth, and the only life. Peter can't do it, nor praying to dead saints. The Pope is not authoritative as the Word of God, Mary can't pray for you and we should not pray to her.
There is no compromise or common ground on that. IF you agree with what I have said amen. If you disagree you are in error and the RCC will not be accepted in this forum as Biblical.
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