Did Paul explain scripture or add to scripture?

[Blik]

To equate the Old Testament with the Mosaic Law is a bit of a mistake. The Covenant God made with Abraham was based on promise whereas the Mosaic Law was based on works. The Book of Hebrews points us toward faith (Heb 11), as well as the Book of Romans (Rom 4) and Gal (Gal 3&4)
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Your statement does not make sense to me. The mosaic Law is the same law that is written in our hearts--the only difference is that law was written in stone and the new covenant writes that law in our hearts. God made a better covenant, for you could obey the law in stone and disobey the spirit of the law as it is given in our hearts. God is love, the law must have love. The new covenant improved the old one.

There is absolutely no scripture that promises salvation through works, that is not possible and never was. There are rewards promised for obedience, the same as now, but salvation is not and never has been a reward for our work. Forgiveness was incomplete in the old testament, Christ completed and perfected it, but salvation has always been through blood God gave on the altar, not through works.

Do use your concordance to study grace and forgiveness in the old testament.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Are you being dishonest or did you misread my post?

I probably misread your post.

 

[Dino246]

I think that the old testament is an outline, a shadow, of everything in the new testament. I think if we think of it as cancelling what God established at creation, we do not see correctly

Who said anything about cancelling what God established at creation?

I would so like this discussed without the 'Blik" being added. These are ideas and interpretations of scripture, not an indication of a person.

But they are YOUR ideas and interpretations of Scripture. You can't promote an idea without owning the idea to some degree.

 

[gb9]

this is possibly your best attempt yet to undermine the gospel and convince everyone to become a Sabbath keeper...or Judaizer might be more accurate

I mean it's sad already and a person would think you would just stop by now but ignoring the many scriptures that prove you wrong, has possibly and sadly, made your heart even less inclined to accept the simple truth of Christ's sacrifice for us without the need to add to it

and that is why i no longer directly interact with her.
wild accusations , and inserting opinions as hard core facts.

 

[Blik]

Who said anything about cancelling what God established at creation?


But they are YOUR ideas and interpretations of Scripture. You can't promote an idea without owning the idea to some degree.

Do you think this site is dedicated to an analysis of people or of scripture? Should we discuss me as a person or discuss interpretations of scripture. My hair is beyond grey but is white, does that interest you or are you interested in scripture? Scripture is all of our business, but my hair is none of your business.

 

[Blik]

Who said anything about cancelling what God established at creation?


But they are YOUR ideas and interpretations of Scripture. You can't promote an idea without owning the idea to some degree.

Are you saying there has never been any discussion on here about what is the Sabbath? Or about what law is still valid or not valid? I could tell you things about myself that even I criticize, but I think you are trying to drag me through mud that is of your own making.

 

[Dino246]

Are you saying there has never been any discussion on here about what is the Sabbath? Or about what law is still valid or not valid? I could tell you things about myself that even I criticize, but I think you are trying to drag me through mud that is of your own making.

Again, you choose to attack instead of simply answering my question.

I'm not interested in your personal agenda. If you can't support your assertions, they aren't worth discussing.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Again, you choose to attack

Wow, I wonder what you'd say if a "real" attack had taken place.

 

[Dino246]

Wow, I wonder what you'd say if a "real" attack had taken place.

Blik and I have a long history. Leave it at that.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Blik and I have a long history. Leave it at that.

Gotchya. So there wasn't an attack after all.

 

[crossnote]

Your statement does not make sense to me. The mosaic Law is the same law that is written in our hearts--the only difference is that law was written in stone and the new covenant writes that law in our hearts.

Only the moral aspect (10 Commandments) has been written on the hearts of men, not all the Mosaic law, and that moral law has been written on all (Jew and Gentile) of men's hearts ...

(KJV) For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another...

God made a better covenant, for you could obey the law in stone and disobey the spirit of the law as it is given in our hearts. God is love, the law must have love. The new covenant improved the old one.

There is absolutely no scripture that promises salvation through works, that is not possible and never was. There are rewards promised for obedience, the same as now, but salvation is not and never has been a reward for our work. Forgiveness was incomplete in the old testament, Christ completed and perfected it, but salvation has always been through blood God gave on the altar, not through works.

Do use your concordance to study grace and forgiveness in the old testament.

This is incoherent. You replied to my point about faith, yet you make no reference to faith.
No one (but Jesus) obeyed the law whether it was written in stone or on our heart.
The new covenant is greater because it offers the GIFT of RIGHTEOUSNESS freely through Jesus Christ.
Who ever mentioned salvation through works??
Tell David that forgiveness was incomplete...

Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. (Rom 4:6-8)

Christ completed and perfected it, but salvation has always been through blood God gave on the altar, not through works.

Do use your concordance to study grace and forgiveness in the old testament.

More incoherence and a red herring. No one is saying otherwise, that " salvation has always been through blood God gave on the altar, not through works"

Please quit imagining topics that the other poster hasn't mentioned. This must fit in with your defense of visualization on another thread.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I'm not interested in your personal agenda. If you can't support your assertions, they aren't worth discussing.

This is a meaningful statement, but it is wrong. There is no personal agenda, but only Doctrine. I understand precisely what Blik is saying and "she" is spot on. 99% of "christians" cannot understand what she is saying because they do not belong to the Remnant, while she clearly does. How do we know? Blik has been given the ability to see the utter Core of the Bible. Just because a person doesn't understand this Doctrine, doesn't mean that it, or Blik, is wrong.

 

[crossnote]

This is a meaningful statement, but it is wrong. There is no personal agenda, but only Doctrine. I understand precisely what Blik is saying and "she" is spot on. 99% of "christians" cannot understand what she is saying because they do not belong to the Remnant, while she clearly does. How do we know? Blik has been given the ability to see the utter Core of the Bible. Just because a person doesn't understand this Doctrine, doesn't mean that it, or Blik, is wrong.

Another blind follower of Blik? You would make a good cult follower.

 

[Dino246]

This is a meaningful statement, but it is wrong. There is no personal agenda, but only Doctrine. I understand precisely what Blik is saying and "she" is spot on. 99% of "christians" cannot understand what she is saying because they do not belong to the Remnant, while she clearly does. How do we know? Blik has been given the ability to see the utter Core of the Bible. Just because a person doesn't understand this Doctrine, doesn't mean that it, or Blik, is wrong.

Regarding the 'core of the Bible', you and I must have a very different understanding of what that entails.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Regarding the 'core of the Bible', you and I must have a very different understanding of what that entails.

That's probably True. But if we could sit down and have face-to-face conversations, I think that you'd be blown away.

 

[Dino246]

That's probably True. But if we could sit down and have face-to-face conversations, I think that you'd be blown away.

I'm not sure whether to yawn, laugh, or shake my head.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I'm not sure whether to yawn, laugh, or shake my head.

Ezekiel 36:26-27 KJV - "A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them."

Do you think the above concepts have happened to you? Or, were you yawning, laughing, or shaking your head when Jesus was Circumcising Hearts?

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I'm not sure whether to yawn, laugh, or shake my head.

And I have to say . . . If this is a reflection of your "New Man" . . . mother of Snakeskin, I can only imagine what you were like [before] you were Transformed by Christ. Talk about Grace!

 

[OneOfHis]

And I have to say . . . If this is a reflection of your "New Man" . . . mother of Snakeskin, I can only imagine what you were like [before] you were Transformed by Christ. Talk about Grace!

I disagree. Your comment sounded prideful.

The " i think you would be blown away" was a silly statement by you.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I disagree. Your comment sounded prideful.

The " i think you would be blown away" was a silly statement by you.

"What has happened to those crazy Christians! They actually think that if they could speak to another person about Scriptures, that person would be blown away!"

"Oh . . .they're just out of control! The madness . . . the insanity of them!"

Well, you're definitely not a prophet, because you completely misjudged my Heart.

Thanks for associating "silly" with me. Yet, I can't speak highly of God's Holy Work.

Can't make this stuff up!