Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?

[OldSage]

Martin Luther King On Israel (1967)

Southern Christian Leadership Conference and Dr. King have repeatedly stated that the Middle East problem embodies the related questions of security and development. Israel’s right to exist as a state in security is incontestable. At the same time the great powers have the obligation to recognize that the Arab world is in a state of imposed poverty and backwardness that must threaten peace and harmony. Until a concerted and democratic program of assistance is [effected], tensions cannot be relieved. Neither Israel nor its neighbors can live in peace without an underlying basis of economic and social development.

 

[kaylagrl]

If in doubt, I'll always side with a Christian over an anti-Christian. Your scenario has plenty of doubt, therefore I'm siding with the Christian.

So, to you, the Christian who took the land from another that didn't belong to them, kicked them out of their home, and now refuses to give it back, you side with them because you think that's a Christian thing to do? Surf you were just decrying it two seconds ago when it was the Palestinian. When I corrected you, you did an about face. Man, I love ya in the Lord brother, but that is racism, pure and simple. Check your heart my friend.

 

[kaylagrl]

Are you a Christian?
Do you read bible ?
Do you know Job in OT ?
Does Jews know Job in OT ?

If you ask sensible questions I will answer gladly. These are not sensible questions.

 

[soberxp]

If you ask sensible questions I will answer gladly. These are not sensible questions.

Non-violence and patience are the central tenets of our faith

 

[Truth7t7]

Jews were attacked. So no, that's not allowed here.

If Trump Supporters Are Attacked, They Are Given A Medal

 

[kaylagrl]

Martin Luther King On Israel (1967)

Southern Christian Leadership Conference and Dr. King have repeatedly stated that the Middle East problem embodies the related questions of security and development. Israel’s right to exist as a state in security is incontestable. At the same time the great powers have the obligation to recognize that the Arab world is in a state of imposed poverty and backwardness that must threaten peace and harmony. Until a concerted and democratic program of assistance is [effected], tensions cannot be relieved. Neither Israel nor its neighbors can live in peace without an underlying basis of economic and social development.

Not sure Hamas was in power during MLKs time. I totally believe the situation for Palestinians would improve on that side of the border if Hamas was kicked to the curb. I don't understand why the Arabs refuse to take their people, the Palestinians, back into their countries. They have been offered land 3 times and refuses. There is no need of them living in poverty, they are Arabs. So then the issue appears to be a political one.

 

[kaylagrl]

Non-violence and patience are the central tenets of our faith

King David...

 

[kaylagrl]

If Trump Supporters Are Attacked, They Are Given A Medal

That's a horse of a different color. That's another form of hatred.

 

[OldSage]

...............was not allowed to build the Temple because he had bloody hands

 

[CS1]

How do you, two, agree that the place the Anti-Christ will sit is a physical singular temple (like the 2nd one)?


You know, this same people were cast out already back in 70 A.D. as Romans invaded and destroyed this Earthly Jerusalem. The temple, likewise, was already destroyed and rebuilt as Christ was killed and then resurrected.

Something that many don't realize still to this day.

Th reason why I believe the antichrist will sit in a temple is 1. Prophecy forth tells and foretells 2. the plans to build the temple are in place and very well may happen in the next 10 years. This next war Israel is about to have will usher in peace once those who are planning to attack them. But I believe and agree I want to say that is my opinion and I could be wrong.

I am not a prophet, nor am I who knows all.

 

[kaylagrl]

...............was not allowed to build the Temple because he had bloody hands

Right, under the OT. But did God punish him for defending the nation? No, I don't think so.

 

[OldSage]

That's a horse of a different color. That's another form of hatred.

Or just the left knee jerking rather than the right?

 

[kaylagrl]

Or just the left knee jerking rather than the right?

It's a hot mess and I have no idea who is coming out on top. I just pray about it. Not a thing I can do.

 

[OldSage]

It's a hot mess everywhere I think. Germany now teeming with
disenfranchised Middle Eastern people chanting "Death to Jews".
Jews in Golders Green unable to move about freely -armed guards everywhere.
Jews in France long gone. I am starting to think Israel might be the safest place.

Or Russia. Putin doesn't tolerate anti-semitism, at all.

 

[Truth7t7]

Kayla,

Who would you support?
A Christian homeowner in Palestinian territory?
Or an Israeli jew that comes in and takes over that house and land?

It's a can of worms in Israel/Jerusalem

Israel won the 6 day war in 1967, and rights to the claimed area in Jerusalem as I see it, just as America won the revolution against the Brits

The Arabs controlled Jerusalem for centuries after taking it in battle, the crusades failed to regain it, but the 1967 six day war is in the books, The Arabs lost and threw the towel in?

Palestine would be equal to the Britsh coming back to America, and claiming it belongs to the crown?

 

[Truth7t7]

And as any 6th grader well-knows (what is the 6th grade btw?) The Angel Gabriel looked thusly:

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In America (6th Grade) is elementary school, at the age of roughly 12 years old

American Standard:

Elementary: Kindergarten - 6th grade (5-12 years old)

Middle: 7th - 8th grade (13-14 years old)

High: 9th - 12th grade (15-18 years old)

 

[soberxp]

King David...

The battle of ancient Israel is just to express the will of God, and ancient Israel can overcome all enemies, but when ancient Israel forsake the truth of God, no one can help you. Killing people who believe in other gods is not the theme of the Bible, otherwise we, Asians, Europeans and other people should never exist.

 

[kaylagrl]

In America (6th Grade) is elementary school, at the age of roughly 12 years old

Elementary: Kindergarten - 6th

Middle: 7th - 8th

High: 9th - 12th

Confusing... I always try to remember this for my nephews sake. One is in middle and one in high school. Back home in Canada we have junior high, which is middle school, 7,8,9.

 

[OldSage]

So, to you, the Christian who took the land from another that didn't belong to them, kicked them out of their home, and now refuses to give it back, you side with them because you think that's a Christian thing to do? Surf you were just decrying it two seconds ago when it was the Palestinian. When I corrected you, you did an about face. Man, I love ya in the Lord brother, but that is racism, pure and simple. Check your heart my friend.

God's land agreement makes the Israelites tenants though, not land owners.

Leviticus 25:23 The land shall not be sold in perpetuity, for the land is mine; with me you are but aliens and tenants. 24 Throughout the land that you hold, you shall provide for the redemption of the land.

So I am not sure a title deed exists

 

[kaylagrl]

The battle of ancient Israel is just to express the will of God, and ancient Israel can overcome all enemies, but when ancient Israel forsake the truth of God, no one can help you. Killing people who believe in other gods is not the theme of the Bible, otherwise we, Asians, Europeans and other people should never exist.

None of this has anything to do with modern Israel. Israel is defending her homeland, the same as any other country would do. Israel wouldn't be here otherwise. Surrounded by enemies on every hand. Terrorists are attacking their homeland, they have a right to live in peace.