TONGUES TODAY

[1ofthem]

I am responding to your post when I use the word " you" it is speaking of the concessionist


They worship head knowledge and think salvation is achieved by how much of the Bible they know or think they know.

They claim the gifts are not for today because it insults their intellect like the well-educated Greeks and philosophers. The Cross is foolishness to them. Paul said speaking about the "Last days in 2 Tim chapter 3 and warning bout those who have crept into the church




1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. (dynamis) And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

the gifts of the Holy Spirit offend their intelligence. Why? Because they are incapable of accepting what is clearly seen in scripture and they are embarrassed by those who have misused them. It has to be this because we agree with them of those who are fake and foolish and fleecing the flock for money.


But that's not it. They attack the Gifts of the Holy Spirit because it is not rational thinking. Yet those who attack the fake on TV and those who are perverting the gifts of the Holy Spirit for money those who also on tv speaking out against it

Wearing $1000 suites and have over 6 figure salaries.

Those who are concessionist too are very rich it seems Just not as flamboyant as those they speak out against.

FYI that is called a hypocrite. They base the whole Idea that the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for today not because of the foolishness of those who do abuse them no,

They will show you videos to reinforce their idea that once the Bible was canonized the gifts just stopped. Then show you the fake use of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit and YELL SEE it has stopped.

But when asked please prove that 1cor chapter 13: 8-9 means the gifts have stopped


8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.


WE ask them how do you translate or interpret this to mean that the "Perfect" is the canonization of the Bible?
They can't. They will give you a history lesson and human reasoning but they can't show you from the word of God this to mean the Gifts of the Holy Spirit has stopped and not for today.



They get very mad then attack you and start to name call kind of like a liberal snowflake wearing a pink hat.

Oh wait look at this fake video of Benny Hinn, or Kenneth Copland, or this guy to that guy or women, then they jump into 1cor 14 about women being silent. All those who say this wearing $1000 suites


Excuse me please show me the proof from the Word of God?

I did! I gave you 1cor 13:8-9 you are just to wolven into your pentacostel doctrine. look at this video.

But.... 1cor 13:8-9 doesn't say the gift has ceased, it says they will cease and I am asking you how is the "perfect" to mean the bible?


IS NOT THE WORD OF GOD PERFECT!!!!!

Yes, it is amen, but so are the Holy Spirits' gifts. Has the Holy Spirit ever gave anything to the church that was not perfect?

Listen !!!!! the KJV Bible is that which was perfect to Come OK !!!!!


Ok, But Jesus said in the KJV Bible in Mark 16:15-18


5 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name, they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”


THAT WAS ADDED AN NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL TRANSLATION !!!

I see,


Thank you, and I will continue to pray with my understand and pray in the Spirit, I will lay hands on the sick and see those saved and addictions are broken by the Power of the Holy Spirit as I preach the Gospel message of the Lord Jesus Christ, having the word of God confirmed with signs & wonders.

By those set free, saved, delivered, and yes healed. IF you are not seeing that don't get mad at me because I am, You talk to your Boss and ask HIM why you are not.

you keep your power/point presentation there is no power in it so what's the point?

You think your level of knowledge, has saved you and keeps you saved. You provide no hope to the addicted or the sick because you are afraid and have doubt. You are fearful to trust God because your eyes are on those who abuse the gifts instead of keeping your eyes on Jesus. And you are more concerned about what the world thinks about you.

You think that you can save someone from error because of your human reasoning. You have an issue with those on tv then address those people not the gift of the Holy Spirit.

seeking the occult and pagan practices and trying to toe tag the Gifts of the Holy Spirit to it. Shame on you. You have an issue with

Kenneth Copland, and those on TV Please I'm sure you have the ability to get their address and phone number and speak to them about their error You have my blessing to do so.

What on earth are you even going on about?

Exactly what in my post are you referring to here. I think you need to reread it.

I believe in the gifts of speaking in tongues, but not everyone that claims to have the gift has it. If you don't know that then you definitely need to take it to God. Not everyone that claims they are of God are of God. There is a fake and there is a genuine. I will not now nor ever defend anyone who is faking.

I'm not even reading all of your post to me.

It was total a waste of your time.

If you are not sure what someone is saying, then you need to ask questions....not just jump in all trigger happy and make a false assumption and accusations about others...just saying.

 

[1ofthem]

If the PERFECT has yet to come then what do YOU say that it is????

Apparently you didn't read my post...cause I'm sure I just said it in there....

 

[CS1]

You of course are welcome to your own opinion. If I were you and wanted to do what you want to do, then I would probable say the very same thing about YOU.

However, would you like to be more specific so that we could all know what your opinion is about. The way you said it, it could actually mean that the Sun revolves around the Earth just as the RCC taught for a thousand years.

coming from a guy who instructs other to read


book "1984" by George Orwell, a known socialist, and a great example of modern humanism. I would never advise a Christian to read this without first understanding the person. That is what I am talking about these socialist humanistic Christians need pagan, occult, and secular modernism to explain the word of God. Yet they lack the ability to show by the word of God the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for today. Sad.

 

[CS1]

What on earth are you even going on about?

Exactly what in my post are you referring to here. I think you need to reread it.

I believe in the gifts of speaking in tongues, but not everyone that claims to have the gift has it. If you don't know that then you definitely need to take it to God. Not everyone that claims they are of God are of God. There is a fake and there is a genuine. I will not now nor ever defend anyone who is faking.

I'm not even reading all of your post to me.

It was total a waste of your time.

If you are not sure what someone is saying, then you need to ask questions....not just jump in all trigger happy and make a false assumption and accusations about others...just saying.

I know you do.


I am responding to your post when I use the word " you" it is speaking of the concessionist

 

[CS1]

If the PERFECT has yet to come then what do YOU say that it is????

Cessationism​

They worship head knowledge and think salvation is achieved by how much of the Bible they know or think they know.

They claim the gifts are not for today because it insults their intellect like the well-educated Greeks and philosophers. The Cross is foolishness to them. Paul said speaking about the "Last days in 2 Tim chapter 3 and warning bout those who have crept into the church




1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. (dynamis) And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

the gifts of the Holy Spirit offend their intelligence. Why? Because they are incapable of accepting what is clearly seen in scripture and they are embarrassed by those who have misused them. It has to be this because we agree with them of those who are fake and foolish and fleecing the flock for money.


But that's not it. They attack the Gifts of the Holy Spirit because it is not rational thinking. Yet those who attack the fake on TV and those who are perverting the gifts of the Holy Spirit for money those who also on tv speaking out against it

Wearing $1000 suites and have over 6 figure salaries.

Those who are concessionist too are very rich it seems Just not as flamboyant as those they speak out against.

FYI that is called a hypocrite. They base the whole Idea that the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for today not because of the foolishness of those who do abuse them no,

They will show you videos to reinforce their idea that once the Bible was canonized the gifts just stopped. Then show you the fake use of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit and YELL SEE it has stopped.

But when asked please prove that 1cor chapter 13: 8-9 means the gifts have stopped


8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.


WE ask them how do you translate or interpret this to mean that the "Perfect" is the canonization of the Bible?
They can't. They will give you a history lesson and human reasoning but they can't show you from the word of God this to mean the Gifts of the Holy Spirit has stopped and not for today.



They get very mad then attack you and start to name call kind of like a liberal snowflake wearing a pink hat.

Oh wait look at this fake video of Benny Hinn, or Kenneth Copland, or this guy to that guy or women, then they jump into 1cor 14 about women being silent. All those who say this wearing $1000 suites


Excuse me please show me the proof from the Word of God?

I did! I gave you 1cor 13:8-9 you are just to wolven into your pentacostel doctrine. look at this video.

But.... 1cor 13:8-9 doesn't say the gift has ceased, it says they will cease and I am asking you how is the "perfect" to mean the bible?


IS NOT THE WORD OF GOD PERFECT!!!!!

Yes, it is amen, but so are the Holy Spirits' gifts. Has the Holy Spirit ever gave anything to the church that was not perfect?

Listen !!!!! the KJV Bible is that which was perfect to Come OK !!!!!


Ok, But Jesus said in the KJV Bible in Mark 16:15-18


5 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name, they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”


THAT WAS ADDED AN NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL TRANSLATION !!!

I see,


Thank you, and I will continue to pray with my understand and pray in the Spirit, I will lay hands on the sick and see those saved and addictions are broken by the Power of the Holy Spirit as I preach the Gospel message of the Lord Jesus Christ, having the word of God confirmed with signs & wonders.

By those set free, saved, delivered, and yes healed. IF you are not seeing that don't get mad at me because I am, You talk to your Boss and ask HIM why you are not.

you keep your power/point presentation there is no power in it so what's the point?

You think your level of knowledge, has saved you and keeps you saved. You provide no hope to the addicted or the sick because you are afraid and have doubt. You are fearful to trust God because your eyes are on those who abuse the gifts instead of keeping your eyes on Jesus. And you are more concerned about what the world thinks about you.

You think that you can save someone from error because of your human reasoning. You have an issue with those on tv then address those people not the gift of the Holy Spirit.

seeking the occult and pagan practices and trying to toe tag the Gifts of the Holy Spirit to it. Shame on you. You have an issue with

Kenneth Copland, and those on TV Please I'm sure you have the ability to get their address and phone number and speak to them about their error You have my blessing to do so.

 

[OrphanedRepublican]

ironically the bible refutes you

If that's so, sux to be me then. Really.
Perhaps you're just saying, aha!

 

[CS1]

If that's so, sux to be me then. Really.
Perhaps you're just saying, aha!

how profound

 

[ResidentAlien]

there have been many threads on tongues over time here (I'm a repeat offender who left and came back so been here longer than it looks like) and proof has been given that your statement is obsolete.

people love to say it all started on Azusa street yakkity yak yak, but that is historically inaccurate

I actually don't care much anymore what people believe, but it should be noted that those who deny what scripture plainly states, often become abusive and angry at those with a 'better' revelation. stupid videos are offered, tv charismatics are quoted etc etc

guess what? those sources do not represent biblical gifts either so...

You probably overlooked when I said "modern" signs and wonders movement. I realize there were other bizarre manifestations of the "spirit" in the First and Second Great Awakenings, but they weren't sustained. The modern movement started around the turn of the 20th century and is still with us today.

 

[1ofthem]

I know you do.


I am responding to your post when I use the word " you" it is speaking of the concessionist

Ok sorry.

I had saw where you disliked my post and then when I read your reply I just assumed that you were referring to me, as well. Guess I should have slowed down and took more time to read it.... Maybe I'm the one who should ask questions before getting all trigger happy....lol

Seriously though, I am sorry about that....

 

[CS1]

You probably overlooked when I said "modern" signs and wonders movement. I realize there were other bizarre manifestations of the "spirit" in the First and Second Great Awakenings, but they weren't sustained. The modern movement started around the turn of the 20th century and is still with us today.

the term "modern movement" was created by those of secular humanism had nothing to do with the bible believing church unless it was the removal of faith and accepting the "Arts " and Industrial Revolution and bourgeois like Marxism.

A false narrative. it was ungodly people who were defining the Church of the living God Modernism brought the likes of

Carl Marx, Darwin, Huxley, and Nietzsche. It Cleared a path for atheism, antisemitism, and racism.

Charles Darwin's books would be taken off the shelves and used during a Senate hearing to prove the hateful things he said about blacks IF he will a Christian. They would have blackballed him and burned his books. Yet he is embraced even by those who call themselves Christian.

 

[ResidentAlien]

There are fakers out there. However, that does not deter from the fact that there is a genuine.

It's up to you to live in a way (close to God) where you can tell the difference.

I'm afraid a lot of you are going to be in serious trouble for lumping the fake and the genuine all together and in doing so speaking evil of a gift of the Spirit.

I assume you're one who can tell the difference. Let me ask you a few questions.

How would you define real and fake?
How do you know it's the real deal when you encounter it?
Are there any objective criteria we can use to determine between them, or is it all based on direct revelation from God?

 

[CS1]

I assume you're one who can tell the difference. Let me ask you a few questions.

How would you define real and fake?
How do you know it's the real deal when you encounter it?
Are there any objective criteria we can use to determine between them, or is it all based on direct revelation from God?

what happens when the gifts are in operation? What must be done to verify the gift is real?


The gift of the Holy Spirit must do some very clear things according to the word of God found in 1cor chapter 12-14

There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:


the Gifts of the Holy Spirit must be:

1. to bring unity to the body verse 12 chapter 12
2. to appoint those to help the Body /spiritual gifts And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. verse 28 chapter 12
3. to show love to each other 1cor 13 :1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
4. The gifts of the Holy Spirit must Edify, comfort, and exhort the Body of Christ when in use. 1cor chapter 14:3
5. it must line up with the word of God always there is no new Prophecy there is only proclaiming the word of God under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit a word of wisdom, and a knowledge ok knowledge must be confirmed.

Example of fake over real ok this has really HAPPEN.

1 THE FAKE: a person speaks a word of Knowledge to you saying " the Lord said you are to give me 1 sacrifice offering of $1000 and he will bless you".

2. the real: You have been praying if it is God's will for you to support a special work of the church and you have the money but there is another area you would like to help but not sure which one and you are willing to give $500 to it. You have not told anyone. During church service, a person in a church says God has placed you on my heart and I have been praying for you and I believe God told me you were seeking him on helping the ministry here the special one we are looking to start up. God said to do it.



Notices that the person of the fake had not known, nor even asked God but was told something that he did not even know.

Brother and sister God doesn't work like that YOU are the first person HE wants to tell what to do. Those who say what God has already told you are confirmation, not revelation. If you were not already knowing and seeking God about it they spoke to you presumptuously and disregard tells them I will have to pray about that.

The gift of tongues and interpretation = prophesying which is speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit NOT a new word of God by what God has already said in His word spoken to you in a now time of need to Edify, comfort, or build up.

I have seen the gifts of the Holy Spirit in use and people who came to church right in the middle of the service cried out " Please I need Jesus and want to be saved.

The gifts of the Holy Spirit Must Glorify the Lord not man. And be lined up with the word of God not that of man.

 

[PaulChristensen]

It is interesting that cessationists accuse Charismatics of relying on experiences rather than Scripture. But as I read Scripture I see many references to the gifts of the Spirit being available to the church in these end times, and note that Charismatics tend to adopt Sola Scriptura as the foundation of their faith. But cessationists have absolutely no Scriptures at all to validate their cessationist view. So I have concluded that they are relying on the own experience in the absence of any Scriptural proof. It's a matter of the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[PaulChristensen]

Cessationism​

They worship head knowledge and think salvation is achieved by how much of the Bible they know or think they know.

They claim the gifts are not for today because it insults their intellect like the well-educated Greeks and philosophers. The Cross is foolishness to them. Paul said speaking about the "Last days in 2 Tim chapter 3 and warning bout those who have crept into the church




1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. (dynamis) And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

the gifts of the Holy Spirit offend their intelligence. Why? Because they are incapable of accepting what is clearly seen in scripture and they are embarrassed by those who have misused them. It has to be this because we agree with them of those who are fake and foolish and fleecing the flock for money.


But that's not it. They attack the Gifts of the Holy Spirit because it is not rational thinking. Yet those who attack the fake on TV and those who are perverting the gifts of the Holy Spirit for money those who also on tv speaking out against it

Wearing $1000 suites and have over 6 figure salaries.

Those who are concessionist too are very rich it seems Just not as flamboyant as those they speak out against.

FYI that is called a hypocrite. They base the whole Idea that the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for today not because of the foolishness of those who do abuse them no,

They will show you videos to reinforce their idea that once the Bible was canonized the gifts just stopped. Then show you the fake use of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit and YELL SEE it has stopped.

But when asked please prove that 1cor chapter 13: 8-9 means the gifts have stopped


8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.


WE ask them how do you translate or interpret this to mean that the "Perfect" is the canonization of the Bible?
They can't. They will give you a history lesson and human reasoning but they can't show you from the word of God this to mean the Gifts of the Holy Spirit has stopped and not for today.



They get very mad then attack you and start to name call kind of like a liberal snowflake wearing a pink hat.

Oh wait look at this fake video of Benny Hinn, or Kenneth Copland, or this guy to that guy or women, then they jump into 1cor 14 about women being silent. All those who say this wearing $1000 suites


Excuse me please show me the proof from the Word of God?

I did! I gave you 1cor 13:8-9 you are just to wolven into your pentacostel doctrine. look at this video.

But.... 1cor 13:8-9 doesn't say the gift has ceased, it says they will cease and I am asking you how is the "perfect" to mean the bible?


IS NOT THE WORD OF GOD PERFECT!!!!!

Yes, it is amen, but so are the Holy Spirits' gifts. Has the Holy Spirit ever gave anything to the church that was not perfect?

Listen !!!!! the KJV Bible is that which was perfect to Come OK !!!!!


Ok, But Jesus said in the KJV Bible in Mark 16:15-18


5 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name, they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”


THAT WAS ADDED AN NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL TRANSLATION !!!

I see,


Thank you, and I will continue to pray with my understand and pray in the Spirit, I will lay hands on the sick and see those saved and addictions are broken by the Power of the Holy Spirit as I preach the Gospel message of the Lord Jesus Christ, having the word of God confirmed with signs & wonders.

By those set free, saved, delivered, and yes healed. IF you are not seeing that don't get mad at me because I am, You talk to your Boss and ask HIM why you are not.

you keep your power/point presentation there is no power in it so what's the point?

You think your level of knowledge, has saved you and keeps you saved. You provide no hope to the addicted or the sick because you are afraid and have doubt. You are fearful to trust God because your eyes are on those who abuse the gifts instead of keeping your eyes on Jesus. And you are more concerned about what the world thinks about you.

You think that you can save someone from error because of your human reasoning. You have an issue with those on tv then address those people not the gift of the Holy Spirit.

seeking the occult and pagan practices and trying to toe tag the Gifts of the Holy Spirit to it. Shame on you. You have an issue with

Kenneth Copland, and those on TV Please I'm sure you have the ability to get their address and phone number and speak to them about their error You have my blessing to do so.

In support of your insightful post: it is interesting to note that the "perfect" Scriptures tell us that the gifts of the Spirit are available to the whole body of Christ and distributed as the Holy Spirit wills for the good of all. There is absolutely nothing to say that the gifts are limited for the use of the Apostles while they were still alive, but many references to say that the supernatural gifts are an integral component in the preaching of the Gospel, and divine healing is available for the elders of the church, who were and are not Apostles. Therefore, it is the Charismatics who are relying on God's Word, and cessationists are relying on their experience where the gifts are not part of their experience.

You will find that cessationists will always quote examples of the excesses of the Charismatic movement, but they can never quote Scripture. This is because they are relying on what they are seeing and observing through Youtube videos and the random visit to churches where they see the lunatic fringe doing their thing, but they fail to notice that the majority are not joining in with the excesses but are worshiping the Lord with love, joy, peace, and self-control.

 

[PaulChristensen]

what happens when the gifts are in operation? What must be done to verify the gift is real?


The gift of the Holy Spirit must do some very clear things according to the word of God found in 1cor chapter 12-14

There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:


the Gifts of the Holy Spirit must be:

1. to bring unity to the body verse 12 chapter 12
2. to appoint those to help the Body /spiritual gifts And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. verse 28 chapter 12
3. to show love to each other 1cor 13 :1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
4. The gifts of the Holy Spirit must Edify, comfort, and exhort the Body of Christ when in use. 1cor chapter 14:3
5. it must line up with the word of God always there is no new Prophecy there is only proclaiming the word of God under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit a word of wisdom, and a knowledge ok knowledge must be confirmed.

Example of fake over real ok this has really HAPPEN.

1 THE FAKE: a person speaks a word of Knowledge to you saying " the Lord said you are to give me 1 sacrifice offering of $1000 and he will bless you".

2. the real: You have been praying if it is God's will for you to support a special work of the church and you have the money but there is another area you would like to help but not sure which one and you are willing to give $500 to it. You have not told anyone. During church service, a person in a church says God has placed you on my heart and I have been praying for you and I believe God told me you were seeking him on helping the ministry here the special one we are looking to start up. God said to do it.



Notices that the person of the fake had not known, nor even asked God but was told something that he did not even know.

Brother and sister God doesn't work like that YOU are the first person HE wants to tell what to do. Those who say what God has already told you are confirmation, not revelation. If you were not already knowing and seeking God about it they spoke to you presumptuously and disregard tells them I will have to pray about that.

The gift of tongues and interpretation = prophesying which is speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit NOT a new word of God by what God has already said in His word spoken to you in a now time of need to Edify, comfort, or build up.

I have seen the gifts of the Holy Spirit in use and people who came to church right in the middle of the service cried out " Please I need Jesus and want to be saved.

The gifts of the Holy Spirit Must Glorify the Lord not man. And be lined up with the word of God not that of man.

Isn't it interesting that those who were in the Strange Fire conference accused Charismatics of relying on experience rather than Scripture. But you have said what all Charismatics I know say, that the manifestation of the gifts must line up with the Word of God. The Strange Fire crowd must have a blind spot in their thinking about that, and either don't realise, or deliberately ignore, that us Charismatics adopt Sola Scriptura in our approach to the gifts, while they are relying on their "giftless" experience rather than any foundation in Scripture. In fact, they are more reliant on Calvin and other cessationist commentaries, rather than Scripture.
Michael Brown's "Authentic Fire" gives a very sound Scriptural answer to the Strange Fire accusations. I am halfway through it, and finding it very insightful.

 

[Major]

Cessationism​

They worship head knowledge and think salvation is achieved by how much of the Bible they know or think they know.

They claim the gifts are not for today because it insults their intellect like the well-educated Greeks and philosophers. The Cross is foolishness to them. Paul said speaking about the "Last days in 2 Tim chapter 3 and warning bout those who have crept into the church




1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. (dynamis) And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

the gifts of the Holy Spirit offend their intelligence. Why? Because they are incapable of accepting what is clearly seen in scripture and they are embarrassed by those who have misused them. It has to be this because we agree with them of those who are fake and foolish and fleecing the flock for money.


But that's not it. They attack the Gifts of the Holy Spirit because it is not rational thinking. Yet those who attack the fake on TV and those who are perverting the gifts of the Holy Spirit for money those who also on tv speaking out against it

Wearing $1000 suites and have over 6 figure salaries.

Those who are concessionist too are very rich it seems Just not as flamboyant as those they speak out against.

FYI that is called a hypocrite. They base the whole Idea that the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for today not because of the foolishness of those who do abuse them no,

They will show you videos to reinforce their idea that once the Bible was canonized the gifts just stopped. Then show you the fake use of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit and YELL SEE it has stopped.

But when asked please prove that 1cor chapter 13: 8-9 means the gifts have stopped


8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.


WE ask them how do you translate or interpret this to mean that the "Perfect" is the canonization of the Bible?
They can't. They will give you a history lesson and human reasoning but they can't show you from the word of God this to mean the Gifts of the Holy Spirit has stopped and not for today.



They get very mad then attack you and start to name call kind of like a liberal snowflake wearing a pink hat.

Oh wait look at this fake video of Benny Hinn, or Kenneth Copland, or this guy to that guy or women, then they jump into 1cor 14 about women being silent. All those who say this wearing $1000 suites


Excuse me please show me the proof from the Word of God?

I did! I gave you 1cor 13:8-9 you are just to wolven into your pentacostel doctrine. look at this video.

But.... 1cor 13:8-9 doesn't say the gift has ceased, it says they will cease and I am asking you how is the "perfect" to mean the bible?


IS NOT THE WORD OF GOD PERFECT!!!!!

Yes, it is amen, but so are the Holy Spirits' gifts. Has the Holy Spirit ever gave anything to the church that was not perfect?

Listen !!!!! the KJV Bible is that which was perfect to Come OK !!!!!


Ok, But Jesus said in the KJV Bible in Mark 16:15-18


5 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name, they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”


THAT WAS ADDED AN NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL TRANSLATION !!!

I see,


Thank you, and I will continue to pray with my understand and pray in the Spirit, I will lay hands on the sick and see those saved and addictions are broken by the Power of the Holy Spirit as I preach the Gospel message of the Lord Jesus Christ, having the word of God confirmed with signs & wonders.

By those set free, saved, delivered, and yes healed. IF you are not seeing that don't get mad at me because I am, You talk to your Boss and ask HIM why you are not.

you keep your power/point presentation there is no power in it so what's the point?

You think your level of knowledge, has saved you and keeps you saved. You provide no hope to the addicted or the sick because you are afraid and have doubt. You are fearful to trust God because your eyes are on those who abuse the gifts instead of keeping your eyes on Jesus. And you are more concerned about what the world thinks about you.

You think that you can save someone from error because of your human reasoning. You have an issue with those on tv then address those people not the gift of the Holy Spirit.

seeking the occult and pagan practices and trying to toe tag the Gifts of the Holy Spirit to it. Shame on you. You have an issue with

Kenneth Copland, and those on TV Please I'm sure you have the ability to get their address and phone number and speak to them about their error You have my blessing to do so.

One picture is worth a million posts from your view!

 

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coming from a guy who instructs other to read


book "1984" by George Orwell, a known socialist, and a great example of modern humanism. I would never advise a Christian to read this without first understanding the person. That is what I am talking about these socialist humanistic Christians need pagan, occult, and secular modernism to explain the word of God. Yet they lack the ability to show by the word of God the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for today. Sad.

His work was NOT a religious expose It never claimed to be instructive in any way. IT was a work of FICTION!!!!

He depicted what He views the life and culture would be in the days we live today. There is no reason why any Christian shul not read that book.

By your reasoning.....I assume that you would not suggest that any Christian read Romeo and Juliet for fear of being exposed to sexual thoughts.

Come on man......get real!

 

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One picture is worth a million posts from your view!

from post 125
"They will show you videos to reinforce their idea that once the Bible was canonized the gifts just stopped. Then show you the fake use of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit and YELL SEE it has stopped."


Thank you for confirming what I have said early. You have no Biblical response to my post so you have to go to the gospel of youtube and show foolishness that WE are ready said was wrong. Yet you have no Biblical refuting of the point made the Gifts of the Holy Spirit have stopped.
I know why don't you bring up the man of a god G. Orwell again.

 

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His work was NOT a religious expose. It never claimed to be instructive in any way. IT was a work of FICTION!!!!

He depicted what He views the life and culture would be in the days we live today. There is no reason why any Christian shul not read that book.

By your reasoning.....I assume that you would not suggest that any Christian read Romeo and Juliet for fear of being exposed to sexual thoughts.

Come on man......get real!

yea he was fiction alright and a socialist. There is no reason why he should be in this discussion about the Gifts of the Holy Spirit other

but as you have before went outside the word of God to try and use pagan and occult martial to explain the Holy Spirit who is I to stop you. And if you place G. Orwell in the same category as Shakespeare?

“This above all: to thine own self be true, And it must follow, as the night the day,"
W. Shakespeare


‘Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing.’
G. Orwell

 

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Apparently you didn't read my post...cause I'm sure I just said it in there....

Actually I did. In post #116 you said................
1. "That which is perfect has not come yet. It is clear that Paul is not talking about the completion of the Bible in that passage.

2. We still need knowledge...don't we? It has not vanished away has it?

3. When we make it to the other side or when New Jerusalem comes down from God out of heaven then that is when that which is perfect will come.

4. When that happens then we won't need tongues, knowledge, or prophecy because we will be living in "that which is perfect."

5. Anyone that wants to do away with Spiritual gifts is weakening the Church."

I did not respond to your comment then as it was simply not applicable or needed. However, you seem intent of needing one so I will oblige you.

1. On what basis do you make that claim,,,,,your opinion/your mind/what your pastor told you?

A. Perfect means “complete”—the incomplete will be replaced by the complete.
B. Webster Clarke on 1 Corinthians 13:10.........
"When a person speak in tongues and another interpret, the interpreter says 'Thus saith the Lord'. So let me ask, Is scripture still being written? is God still speaking? then when will the Word of God be completed? These people who speak in tongues and
saith it is from God are in fact adding to what God has said, lyingly so. The Bible was completed by the last book in Revelation.
Our Lord has not spoken a Word either in tongues or plain language since."

2. NO. The comleted/perfect Word of God is all that is needed for the sinner to know about God and come to Christ and be saved.
I suggest that you google the phrase......."Sola Scripture".

3. Look at and READ the Scriptures. 1 Corinthians 13:10 says ........"When the Perfect COMES...."!

It DOES NOT say that we are GOING TO the New Jerusalem. It does NOT SAY that we are going anywhere but to get to the New Jerusalem we MUST GO TO HEAVEN.

Scriptures says that the when Perfect IS COME. "IS COME" in the Greek grammer is PRESENT TENSE.
GOING to heaven and the New Jerusalem is FUTURE TENSE!.

That my friend means that the PERFECT CAN NOT be a future home in heaven.

4. When we get to heaven, there will be no need on anything whatsoever. But again....Christians are GOING to heaven and Scriptures
said that the Perfect IS COME.

5. I believe that following teaching NOT found in the Bible is what is tearing the church apart and those seen in the videos have the whole world laughing at the church....IMHO!