TONGUES TODAY

[Major]

oh the irony

And of course, instead of an opinion.....can you state specifically where I have used scripture to say something that they do not say?

 

[SophieT]

And what you just said is called APATHY!

I don't know and I don't care.

THAT right there is why Bible doctrine is so alian to the average Christian.

You see, YOU just admitted what many of us already know...........
"We like what we know even if it is wrong and we are not in a hurry to know what truth is"!

Actually...Cessationalism IS based on the Word of God. "Continuaism is based on Church Denominational teaching.

The Bible literally says in 1 Corth. 13:8-9..........
"Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.".

no. that is not apathy. I have the same mind set. we are just waaay tired of defending the truth to people who have steamrolled over that truth and fancy themselves knowledgeable about something that is way out of their league. why out of your league? simply because you have made the choice and bear the fruit on a tree with dry branches. enjoy

 

[CS1]

Of course it is!

It has nothing to do with cessationalists. It has everything to do with people who are not speaking in tongues according to the direction given by God through Paul in 1 Corinthians 120-14.

Where in that video are only one or two speaking at one time?????
Where in those videos are there interpretations given??????
Where in those videos is there any identification that what was said was HEARD IN THE HEARERS OWN LANGUAGE.??????
WHY are women speaking in tongues when 1 Corth, 14:34 says that "WOMEN ARE TO BE SILENT AND NOT TO SPEAK IN TONGUES IN CHURCH"!......>WHY?

You are saying one thing which your heart wants to believe but YOU ARE NOT following the direction given in the Scriptures. Now,
who then is double minded.

You can not have it both ways!

why do you need to see a video? You hold videos to verify the word of God is true? Do people in your church fellowship get saved?

Where is your video of that? FYI that is a big issue performing for the naysayers Jesus did not do that why should you be treated any different.

You don't believe the testimony of those who have been healed, you don't believe the word of God that says God confirms His word

Yet you quote secular humanist and hold to Modernism and call us Un Biblical? You seek the Occult and pagan practice to disprove Biblical truth. Then desire video proof. We already agreed those in the videos you showed were in error YET they don't change the word of God nor are they proof the Holy Spirit doesn't empower people today.

Furthermore, No one has to prove anything to you just so you will believe the word of God. YOu first provide those saved for in your service. IF what we do is so wrong then please shut up and put up your services as to how they should be.

I want to hear and see people set free by the message at your church. our services are on Youtube every Sunday we pray for the sick we have altar calls and we see people saved. Now show us the work of the lord you do.

We know you are good at pointing out errors how about showing us what is the real power of God Or are we to believe your testaphony I mean testimony because you said so?

 

[CS1]

Correct and INCORRECT.

I based what I stated on what I HAVE OBSERVED and what I HAVE DONE while in the AOG.

Then after study and actually reading the Scriptures I had to conclude what I SAW and what I WAS DOING did not match what I READ IN THE WORD OF GOD.

So then.....someone was wrong. It was either the Bible was in error or I was in error. It was just that simple! Still is today!

too bad you were not able to correct the error there instead you were used to causing dissension. Your personal experience voids out the word of God.

 

[Major]

no. that is not apathy. I have the same mind set. we are just waaay tired of defending the truth to people who have steamrolled over that truth and fancy themselves knowledgeable about something that is way out of their league. why out of your league? simply because you have made the choice and bear the fruit on a tree with dry branches. enjoy

LOL. So because I do not believ what you believe, then I and those of like mind are out of our "LEAGUE".

My o my.

How big is that 2 x 4 in your eye?

By the way....."APATHY" is defined in the dictionary as......."lack of interest, enthusiasm, or concern" or-----just as our friend said,
I DO NOT CARE"!!

 

[SophieT]

I posted those videos because everyone can not do what I have done and be present in those gatherings and in fact patriciate in them.

They were posted for visual effect of what actually happens so that you and I would not have to argue about it. ALL anyone has to do is LOOK!

whatever patriciate means (I know what you are trying to say in your haste to be right so no worries)

visual effect....says it all. I am willing to bet that just about every single person in this forum who is not a cessationist, knows all about those videos and worse and they also understand that people like you, provide the (cough cough) visual goodies for effect

right now, I am looking. at you. and you have presented nothing new or worthy of consideration to indicate anything other than your qualifications for being a cessationist

congratualtions! John MacArthur would love you

 

[Major]

why do you need to see a video? You hold videos to verify the word of God is true? Do people in your church fellowship get saved?

Where is your video of that? FYI that is a big issue performing for the naysayers Jesus did not do that why should you be treated any different.

You don't believe the testimony of those who have been healed, you don't believe the word of God that says God confirms His word

Yet you quote secular humanist and hold to Modernism and call us Un Biblical? You seek the Occult and pagan practice to disprove Biblical truth. Then desire video proof. We already agreed those in the videos you showed were in error YET they don't change the word of God nor are they proof the Holy Spirit doesn't empower people today.

Furthermore, No one has to prove anything to you just so you will believe the word of God. YOu first provide those saved for in your service. IF what we do is so wrong then please shut up and put up your services as to how they should be.

I want to hear and see people set free by the message at your church. our services are on Youtube every Sunday we pray for the sick we have altar calls and we see people saved. Now show us the work of the lord you do.

We know you are good at pointing out errors how about showing us what is the real power of God Or are we to believe your testaphony I mean testimony because you said so?

Focus on the question of the thread brother. Don;t keep trying to shift the focus off the question. FOCUS!!!!!

If you really want to know those things ....start another thread!!!!

 

[CS1]

YOU SAID..................................
Ok, But Jesus said in the KJV Bible in Mark 16:15-18


5 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name, they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”


THAT WAS ADDED AN NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL TRANSLATION !!!


Every seminary student and most all who read their Bible know what you just said.

But that is not the point is it?????

The point is.......THOSE WORDS ARE STILL IN ALL BIBLE TRANSLATIONS!

And the 2nd point is that those SIGN GIFTS WERE GIVEN TO THE ELEVEN APOSTLES1

THE 3RD POINT IS WHEN TONGUES WERE SPOKEN IN ACTS 2...IT WAS THE APOSTLES WHO SPOKE AND THOSE PRESENT HEARD THEM IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE.

it is the point because in one way the Bible is perfect yet you attack the added's. or the Copyist discrepancies.


The Holy Spirit gift is just as Perfect as the word of God are you saying that the Holy Spirit Gifts are not perfect?

God allowed your intellectual ability to understand the word of God so much we don't need the Holy Spirit when reading the bible?

We just need to study it? You have an issue with pride.

 

[SophieT]

LOL. So because I do not believ what you believe, then I and those of like mind are out of our "LEAGUE".

My o my.

How big is that 2 x 4 in your eye?

By the way....."APATHY" is defined in the dictionary as......."lack of interest, enthusiasm, or concern" or-----just as our friend said,
I DO NOT CARE"!!

LOL! is ALWAYS and without exception, the response when a person who desires to void much of the NT, cannot actually think of a response that indicates the desire for meaningful discussion.

go spank yourself dude. you are boring and have no participation in my walk with God

He is the faithful and true One. you are just another disbelieving person taking up space and discouraging or trying to discourage those who do worship in spirit and truth. Alot of people know about God, but there are also many who know God

 

[Major]

whatever patriciate means (I know what you are trying to say in your haste to be right so no worries)

visual effect....says it all. I am willing to bet that just about every single person in this forum who is not a cessationist, knows all about those videos and worse and they also understand that people like you, provide the (cough cough) visual goodies for effect

right now, I am looking. at you. and you have presented nothing new or worthy of consideration to indicate anything other than your qualifications for being a cessationist

congratualtions! John MacArthur would love you

I love John.
I also am an advid fan of Oliver B. Green, and J, Vernon McGee as well as Billy Sunday and if you have never heard Dr. John Sullivan, you have missed heaven coming down.

Yes.....I am a Cessationist. I am because that is what the Bible says. "TONGUES SHAL CEASE"!

You do not have to agree with me!

 

[SophieT]

anyway, it's supper time. have to eat to keep up the physical body

the Holy Spirit nourishes the soul so that the word takes root and produces FRUIT...which nourishes others

don't drink from the dry well of man's opinions

drink from the living waters Christ gives...the Holy Spirit

 

[SophieT]

And of course, instead of an opinion.....can you state specifically where I have used scripture to say something that they do not say?

because no one else has. right

I don't play those games.

tootles

 

[Major]

LOL! is ALWAYS and without exception, the response when a person who desires to void much of the NT, cannot actually think of a response that indicates the desire for meaningful discussion.

go spank yourself dude. you are boring and have no participation in my walk with God

He is the faithful and true One. you are just another disbelieving person taking up space and discouraging or trying to discourage those who do worship in spirit and truth. Alot of people know about God, but there are also many who know God

Then way in the world do you engage me in conversation?????

I agree with your assessment of those who know about God, and may I also add that there are a lot of make believers just as there are believers today.

Titus 1:16 ........
"They profess to know God, but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work

 

[CS1]

Focus on the question of the thread brother. Don;t keep trying to shift the focus off the question. FOCUS!!!!!

If you really want to know those things ....start another thread!!!!

I'm very focused. You want proof to satisfy your doubt. You want scientific evidence. You need a linguist validation. You don't accept testimony but the youtube video is the gospel I bet you believe in Bigfoot too.

here is all the proof you need 1cor chapter 12 to 14 nowhere does it say the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for today. Nowhere does it say that which is "perfect' means once the Bible was canonized the Holy Spirit gifts stopped. That is false teaching.

You foolish people in error using the Gifts of the Holy Spirit do not prove the Holy Spirit gifts are not real.

Jesus said a perverted generation seeks a sign. many of your types like to quote that and try to tie it to Pentecostal. That verse is speaking about you. We believe signs follow those who believe, we don't need to seek them we believe God still does them.

You don't. You ask for proof, not me. I already know they are real and thank God for them as I do HIS word too.

 

[Major]

because no one else has. right

I don't play those games.

tootles

As I thought......opinions and no facts.

Why is that it is so easy to make accusations without any facts and think that it is acceptable.

THAT is what happens when those who have no Scriptures to validate their understanding fall to.

That is not bad or evil or even personal..........just typical.

 

[Major]

I'm very focused. You want proof to satisfy your doubt. You want scientific evidence. You need a linguist validation. You don't accept testimony but the youtube video is the gospel I bet you believe in Bigfoot too.

here is all the proof you need 1cor chapter 12 to 14 nowhere does it say the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for today. Nowhere does it say that which is "perfect' means once the Bible was canonized the Holy Spirit gifts stopped. That is false teaching.

You foolish people in error using the Gifts of the Holy Spirit do not prove the Holy Spirit gifts are not real.

Jesus said a perverted generation seeks a sign. many of your types like to quote that and try to tie it to Pentecostal. That verse is speaking about you. We believe signs follow those who believe, we don't need to seek them we believe God still does them.

You don't. You ask for proof, not me. I already know they are real and thank God for them as I do HIS word too.

Mark 16:14........
"Afterward he appeared unto the ELEVEN as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen."

Which one of the ELEVEN were you who received the Sign Gifts?

 

[Major]

it is the point because in one way the Bible is perfect yet you attack the added's. or the Copyist discrepancies.


The Holy Spirit gift is just as Perfect as the word of God are you saying that the Holy Spirit Gifts are not perfect?

God allowed your intellectual ability to understand the word of God so much we don't need the Holy Spirit when reading the bible?

We just need to study it? You have an issue with pride.

What you are doing is called DECEPTION. You are trying to make it look as if I have said something I did not say so as to make your comments more accetable.

YES......the Holy Spirit is Perfect. He is God!

YES......we all need the Holy Spirit to help our understanding.

BUT......when we place out WANTS in place of what the Scriptures say and the Spirt teaches then WE are wrong!

What you did not say is that Jesus had already told His disciples that He was going to send the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit had already come and could not possiblably be what Paul was referring to in 1 Corth 13:9!

Then even if it was the Holy Spirit that was the PERFECT, then that again removes the idea of "CONTINUATION" of the Sign Gifts.

You might want to stop while you are behind.

 

[Major]

I'm very focused. You want proof to satisfy your doubt. You want scientific evidence. You need a linguist validation. You don't accept testimony but the youtube video is the gospel I bet you believe in Bigfoot too.

here is all the proof you need 1cor chapter 12 to 14 nowhere does it say the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for today. Nowhere does it say that which is "perfect' means once the Bible was canonized the Holy Spirit gifts stopped. That is false teaching.

You foolish people in error using the Gifts of the Holy Spirit do not prove the Holy Spirit gifts are not real.

Jesus said a perverted generation seeks a sign. many of your types like to quote that and try to tie it to Pentecostal. That verse is speaking about you. We believe signs follow those who believe, we don't need to seek them we believe God still does them.

You don't. You ask for proof, not me. I already know they are real and thank God for them as I do HIS word too.

No sir. It is not false teaching to say that the PERFECT in 1 Corth. 13:9 is the Bible......it is simply something YOU had never heard!

 

[Blade]

Is the "Tongues" we see practiced today in churches all over the land actually Biblical and valid........OR is it an emotional exercise in religious fervor????

Then 2 page you say this "You can not understand what is said because nothing said is understandable! It is simply gibberish as it is not a language. "

A verse that comes to mine "“Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces." So if we will not listen to God.. we never listen to another believer. As long as I KNOW I am right your wrong haha what do you expect GOD's going to say and do? Yeah nothing. When were stuck in earthly things how in the world are we going to hear spiritual things? Some are stuck on tongues yet you can't even cast out demons. Did not the Father through Christ say we will cast out demons and speak with new tongues?

Some believe the gifts are gone because that which is perfect has come. Yet 1Cor Chapter 12,13 its clear to me I right now only know and see in part. The way I see 1 Cor 13:9 .. I don't read any past tense. Is it not written "but WHEN the perfect comes". Then wow we live in a fallen world... is ANYONE reading this thread alone? Is not already clear we see in part not fully?

I see this was about talking about tongues which is so hard for me. Well in cases like this where some say its dead gone the gifts. I watched a known preacher say "The way it happened in the word of God does not happen today". So I raise me hand.. here I am. Yeah they bible study asked if I wanted the holy spirit.. no clue what they were saying but.. its about GOD I want it. So I sit in this chair and he reads only what the bible says then asked me again and then prayed a short prayer and then stopped. Not one person talked about tongues.. I get up go to sit down and bam tongues just came out.

So you see I would have to lie and say the gifts are not for today. Seems GOD was right if you ask Him for the holy Spirit and blindly believe FAITH He really does every time keep His word. Sorry haha.. HE is so real. So yes I receive power after the holy Spirit came on me.. WOW I say it all the time it was like night and day..... I can't imagine one day one second without Him.

So you say its gone dead.. ok and? You can be very quiet for hours days weeks and .. do you hear it? Yeah God said nothing. We keep telling what is what is not of Him. The enemy can not create so what the enemy does is copy and twist. So something here is very real and he can never tell the truth. Sorry.. I just read His word since I was like 13 or so and blindly believe. No internet back then praise GOD. The fruits of the spirit should help you here. God never uses fear worry doubt so forth so on. Working at this job where every day I set foot in I felt so sick. No worry no fear so forth so on. It was such a beautiful place. What I didn't know is they made porn movies. I then quit.

I walk by faith not doubt. God is ALWAYS faith. A ask Him? Thats it right there huh. Do we truly believe GOD is real? Read that word as a child as Chang said like you were on an Island and you see this book you never seen before...now read it. Oh Chang should have watched him through the years to then find the holy spirit! Hear him talk about being in some other country and watching God HEAL EVERY ONE of them. It blew his mind. Why stop at John 3:16 with your faith? Keep going blindly believing what He said and no other man and watch what a GOD is and can do.. to know He is also your Father that came just for you as if you were the only one.

Jesus as lord in our lives is all that matters yes? We are one..

 

[CS1]

No sir. It is not false teaching to say that the PERFECT in 1 Corth. 13:9 is the Bible......it is simply something YOU had never heard!

listen Jr, I heard that back in 1981