Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?

[kaylagrl]

Sadly, The jews are still in sin. But yeah the jewish believers who are of Christ have even been attacked nonsensically because of their heritage. Its sad.

It stems from Pride. We think we can do what the jews failed to do. and do not want to fail as they failed. Yet scripture states emphatically we will fail as they failed. Making the same mistakes they did. we see it today. Most stems from a mistranslation of prophecy as well as the false gospel of works which caused them to fail.

Yes, the Jews are still blinded for the most part. Some have come to Christ. My mothers neighbor is a Messianic Jew. But I am talking about Replacement Theology from the church fathers that led directly to the Holocaust. The church has blood on it's hands, and that is why I fight this Replacement Heresy so much. The Jews are still God's chosen people and He still has promises to be fulfilled to them.

 

[CS1]

Yes, the Jews are still blinded for the most part. Some have come to Christ. My mothers neighbor is a Messianic Jew. But I am talking about Replacement Theology from the church fathers that led directly to the Holocaust. The church has blood on it's hands, and that is why I fight this Replacement Heresy so much. The Jews are still God's chosen people and He still has promises to be fulfilled to them.

God fully is capable of keeping his word and HE intends on doing so.

 

[Truth7t7]

Wow. The anti-Christ will fool the Jews, they will believe their Messiah has come. But he will do something in the temple, some believe he will kill a pig, and the Jews will know in that moment this is not their Messiah. The Romans 11 blinders will fall off and they will mourn because they will realize what they have done. And then Christ will return and He will defend Israel.

Yes the scripture below in Isaiah 66:1-4 strongly suggest a 3rd temple will be built, with renewed animal sacrifice in abomination to the finished work on Calvary, and no the sacrifices wont be pigs as you suggest

Isaiah 66:1-4KJV
1 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Abrahamic is still in effect for the Jews, God's chosen people. As you say, right now they are blinded for a time. But God is not done with Israel/Jews yet, not by a long shot.

Amen, His gifts and calling are irrevocable

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes, the Jews are still blinded for the most part. Some have come to Christ. My mothers neighbor is a Messianic Jew. But I am talking about Replacement Theology from the church fathers that led directly to the Holocaust. The church has blood on it's hands, and that is why I fight this Replacement Heresy so much. The Jews are still God's chosen people and He still has promises to be fulfilled to them.

Jews based upon heritage and race are no more chosen than Arabs, Africans, or Americans

God has no respect for Persons

I see the false cry's of Antisemetism have started, for anybody who disagrees with your Zionist claims

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed

 

[Truth7t7]

God fully is capable of keeping his word and HE intends on doing so.

God will keep his word, and the Jew isnt Gods chosen based upon race and ethnic heritage

If a person is 50% Jewish in heritage and race, are they 50% chosen?

Christian Zionism in Dual Covenant Theology is a false teaching, promoted by John N. Darby & Adulterer C.I. Scofield, better known as dispensationalism

 

[kaylagrl]

Those promises have been fulfilled in the Church, by the finished work on Calvary

Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church

Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)

(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

(2) National Ethnic Israel

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed

They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

The Abrahamic Covenant is an unconditional covenant. It was made to him and to his seed and God will fulfill His promises. These promises are not for the church. The bible is clear God made an everlasting promise to the Jews and He will fulfill them.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, the Jews are still blinded for the most part. Some have come to Christ. My mothers neighbor is a Messianic Jew. But I am talking about Replacement Theology from the church fathers that led directly to the Holocaust. The church has blood on it's hands, and that is why I fight this Replacement Heresy so much. The Jews are still God's chosen people and He still has promises to be fulfilled to them.

Oh I agree with you sis. I was also. Replacement theology, although not a salvic issue, Is still damaging to the truth of Gods word and his plan for mankind

 

[kaylagrl]

Jews based upon heritage and race are no more chosen than Arabs, Africans, or Americans

God has no respect for Persons

I see the false cry's of Antisemetism have started, for anybody who disagrees with your Zionist claims

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed

Yes, I'm a Christian Zionist, and God agrees with me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God fully is capable of keeping his word and HE intends on doing so.

amen. No matter how bad some want to twist Gods word and his plan. God will still do what he promised to do.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Abrahamic Covenant is an unconditional covenant. It was made to him and to his seed and God will fulfill His promises. These promises are not for the church. The bible is clear God made an everlasting promise to the Jews and He will fulfill them.

He cant stand it, He needs the church to replace Israel. Even though no aspect of the Abraham covenant calls for that. God made specific promises and has specific plans for the children of Abraham Isaac and Jacob (Israel) that will be fulfilled. The the church has no part of.

 

[CS1]

God will keep his word, and the Jew isnt Gods chosen based upon race and ethnic heritage

If a person is 50% Jewish in heritage and race, are they 50% chosen?

Christian Zionism in Dual Covenant Theology is a false teaching, promoted by John N. Darby & Adulterer C.I. Scofield, better known as dispensationalism

Was Abraham, Issac, AND Jacob Gods chosen?
Was Joseph?
Was Moses?
Was Joshua?
Were the judges?
was King Saul, and David and those Kings after Him?
was it those in the Genealogy Given in the Old and found in the two Gospels of Matthew and Luke?

Is it the nation God said would return that did in 1948? from the opening of Genesis to the Book of Revelation to the nation of Israel today, God has not kept his people after the ascension of the Lord Jesus Christ?

You don't see that Israel today is a Testimony of Gods' faithfulness and keeping of His word?

Ok.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There is no dual covenant. And scofield did not believe in a differerent Gospel for jews than the rest of mankind. Salvation has always been of Grace.

The jews are part of the abrahamic covenant later also given the palestinian covenant and the davidic covenant. These covenants have nothing to do with the salvation of one single person. be it jew or gentile. They are covenants God made between himself and the nation of Israel here on earth.

So to call it dual covenant theology is a misnomer and a total lack of knowledge what we believe. Its actually a joke. And the joke is on them

 

[OldSage]

I think events confirm prophecy, rather than the other way round.
The Jews re-entered israel, so this is logically a fulfillment of prophecy.
Isaiah 11:11

Obviously there are lots of scriptures regarding coming events which personally I find
rather confusing, but it seems totally reasonable to see that God has miraculously regathered
Israel.

Nonetheless the Jews have to accept the Abrahamic Covenant now (i.e. Jesus is Lord).
Who knows what the root of this war is?
The Gospel was really beginning to spread this year - maybe some evil leaders fanned up a war to send the Church
underground. Who knows?

Or maybe God is allowing Israel to get beaten up to turn their hearts to him. I don't know. I just watch.

 

[Evmur]

I strongly believe a 3rd temple will be built, with renewed animal sacrifice as Isaiah 66:1-4 suggest's, as you seem to promote the idea?

Because this will be the very place the Man if Sin/The Beast/The Antichrist, will be revealed

With Zionist teachings that many promote, paving the way for this false walk on christ

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Many falsely teach Jesus Christ will return to earth, taking a literal throne of David in Jerusalem, to start a Millennial Kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans present?

This figure will be the Man Of Sin, The False Christ, The Antichrist, "Beware"!

Jesus Christ Wont Be Found Any Place Upon This Earth, And He Warned His Followers Of The End Time Deception

"Believe it Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

The Future Antichrist And False Prophet

Revelation 13:11-13KJV
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

For us [the church] it is simple, Jesus comes to take us home, He comes in the clouds and every eye shall see Him. We will reign with Him from Heaven.

This is not the end of the world for He comes to reign on earth as prophesied a reign of Righteousness, Peace and Prosperity as shown in Micah .4. He will reign on Earth through Israel.

 

[Truth7t7]

The Abrahamic Covenant is an unconditional covenant. It was made to him and to his seed and God will fulfill His promises. These promises are not for the church. The bible is clear God made an everlasting promise to the Jews and He will fulfill them.

The promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ, read it again and again

Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church

Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)

(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

(2) National Ethnic Israel

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed

They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think events confirm prophecy, rather than the other way round.
The Jews re-entered israel, so this is logically a fulfillment of prophecy.
Isaiah 11:11

Obviously there are lots of scriptures regarding coming events which personally I find
rather confusing, but it seems totally reasonable to see that God has miraculously regathered
Israel.

Nonetheless the Jews have to accept the Abrahamic Covenant now (i.e. Jesus is Lord).
Who knows what the root of this war is?
The Gospel was really beginning to spread this year - maybe some evil leaders fanned up a war to send the Church
underground. Who knows?

Or maybe God is allowing Israel to get beaten up to turn their hearts to him. I don't know. I just watch.

Remember they are still in sin. And it is going to get worse for them. the events we are seeing is just part of the plan. The temple can not be rebuilt for the future roman prince to commit the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet and Jesus himself. an event which will precede a time of great tribulation. which we be worse than ever seen on earth before or after. So great that jesus will have to return himself to put a stop to it or no flesh would survive. It is these events which cause Israel to repent. and confess their sins and the sins of the fathers in requirement of Lev 26 where God will fully restore them as prophesied all over the OT.

 

[Truth7t7]

This is not the end of the world for He comes to reign on earth as prophesied a reign of Righteousness, Peace and Prosperity as shown in Micah .4. He will reign on Earth through Israel.

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[CS1]

The promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ, read it again and again

Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church

Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

The very words of Jesus say, Isreal, is important today. Jesus said that He was sent to the Israelites as the Promised One, but He sent His apostles to “all nations” to teach so that it was to Them that He entrusted the rest of His mission of salvation. In Matthew 28: 18–20 “

Rev 7

One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:

5 of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;[fn]
of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed;
6 of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed;
7 of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed;
8 of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed.


the two witnesses have seen in the Holy City what city is that?

Jesus is coming back and placing his feet on the mount. Olives where is that Mountian?

 

[Truth7t7]

This is not the end of the world for He comes to reign on earth as prophesied a reign of Righteousness, Peace and Prosperity as shown in Micah .4. He will reign on Earth through Israel.

Many falsely teach Jesus Christ will return to earth, taking a literal throne of David in Jerusalem, to start a Millennial Kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans present?

This figure will be the Man Of Sin, The False Christ, The Antichrist, "Beware"!

Jesus Christ Wont Be Found Any Place Upon This Earth, And He Warned His Followers Of The End Time Deception

"Believe it Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

The Future False Christ And False Prophet "Beware"!

Revelation 13:11-13KJV
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with