What is the Royal Law or Law of Liberty?

[throughfaith]

OK, let's play "True/False Equivalence":

A Licensed driver can't be punished for doing the exact same thing that will get an Unlicensed driver thrown in jail: driving.

A Licensed OSAS lawbreaker can't be punished for doing the exact same thing that will get an Unlicensed lost lawbreaker thrown into the Lake of Fire: breaking the law.

The answer is...TRUE EQUIVALENCE! Because OSAS turns grace into disgrace by claiming the saved can get away with doing the exact same thing that will condemn the lost.

You assume keeping the law IS the prerequisite to getting into heaven. You must have thought the thief on the cross did not deserve paradise? Let's face it ,what law keeping did he do ? He just simply believed on Jesus . In fact in your theology it would be better to preach only to people who are nailed to crosses ,or in hospitals with little time to live . Because at least they might make it ,without messing it up . Not so much the ones who have a few weeks to live as they could accumulate quite a few sins in that time . Just the ones who have a few days even hours to live . These are the lucky ones . Oh to have a death bed conversion ..not a long one though ,just in case.A short one . These lucky souls don't know how good they have it . The ones that live a long life , oh the dread , the grief of a long walk .

 

[throughfaith]

You OSAS guys just refuse to explain yourselves, don't you? Seed Man is doing his level best to dodge the question, as are you.

Can't any of you step up and explain how in the world Romans 7:25 KJV is supposed to be permission for the Christian to keep sinning with his flesh as long as he's thinking upright, holy, Spiritual thoughts while doing it?

25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
So are you saying Paul was lost at this point ?

 

[CS1]

"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they who keep the commandments of God..." Revelation 14:12 KJV​

"...and went to make war with the remnant of her seed which keep the commandments of God..." Revelation 12:17 KJV​

"He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a liar..." - 1 John 2:4 KJV​

"And because iniquity shall abound, the "agape" of many shall wax cold, but he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved." - Matthew 24:12-13 KJV​

"Blessed are they who do His commandments, that they might have a right to the Tree of Life..." Revelation 22:14 KJV​

The only problem with your premise is that the Bible doesn't support it
We're saved by grace through faith, but we're judged by our works: If we claim to love Jesus, but our life is full of habitual, deliberate sin, we are not saved and are going to hell. "Show me thy faith without works and I will show you my faith BY MY WORKS" says the apostle.
Didn't God tell Moses if any man sin against Him, his name would be blotted out of the Book of Life?
BTW, I had a friend tell me the Book of LIfe and the Lamb's Book of Life are two different books, and I had to remind him that it was the Lamb Who was their with Moses talking about blotting out names, which means the two books are ONE IN THE SAME - and if we sin and fail to repent, we're getting out name blotted out.
Now, that I'll probably admit to: I never learned how to cook...but my Sonita can throw down in the kitchen like nobody else, so no matter LOL

Jesus said I am the way, the Truth, and the Life. In the original Greek translation, it is more like this"

"I am the only WAY not a way but the Only WAY, I am the only Truth, not "a truth" but THE TRUTH only, and I am The Only Life, The only Eternal Life given to man.

He who has the Son has life.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He still is trying to earn his salvation. And attack everyone who understands he cant live up..

So sad

 

[Phoneman-777]

I don't think that that's a good analogy.
James was letting them know that If your works were the RESULT of true faith that you would SHOW your faith BY your works and not just SAY I have works.

James specifically quotes two of the Ten Commandments, clearly showing which Law he was referring to when speaking of the Royal Law and the Law of Liberty. You do realize KING Jesus wrote the Ten Commandments, right? If that don't make 'em "royal" nothing is royal.

The ten commandments (law) were given because of Adam's transgression

No, the Ten Commandments are what Adam transgressed - He stole fruit, dishonored his Father, exalted human wisdom above the Word of God (idolatry), etc. The Mosaic Law is what was "added because of transgression (of the Ten), until the Seed should come" and nail them to the Cross.

The two commandments are not grevious because those that have been born again by GOD are GODs workmanship and they cannot sin (talking about the Spirit NOT the flesh) and then the person ESTABLISHES the ten commandments. All the prophets and the law are summed up In one word, LOVE.

Why do you OSAS License to Sin folks accuse Conditional Salvationalists of "Legalism" when there are no greater practitioners of Legalism than you? You scratch and claw for any legal loophold to try and get around keeping the Ten Commandments, yet condemn as "legalists" those who preach the non-negotiable command of God that we keep them? If you love God, will you not keep the first four, and your neighbor, the last six?

Sidenote:The rich young ruler said he was keeping All of the ten commandments and JESUS told him that he was still lacking.

No, you completely distorted what was actually said:

The Rich Young Ruler said, "All these have I kept..." in his response to the five - and only five - commandments Jesus quoted (Luke 18:20 KJV).

Did you notice Jesus left out the 10th, the one which says not to covet? Jesus knew that one was the young man's problem...covetousness.

 

[Phoneman-777]

GOD IS not judging the sin committed by the flesh of a person that has been reborn.Sin Is not the Issue here but now,faith Is the Issue BUT a person born again will seek to purify themselves even as they are pure and won't be looking heavenly while sleeping with his neighbors wife.

"So speak and so do as they that shall be judged by the Law of Liberty." James is telling you to keep the Ten Commandments because we're going to be judged by them.

Christians are saved by grace, but judged by our works, because works are the evidence you've been saved by grace.

 

[Phoneman-777]

He still is trying to earn his salvation. And attack everyone who understands he cant live up..

So sad

If we have another toilet paper shortage, don't worry, you can use that OSAS License to Sin of yours because that's about all it's good for. The only people who claim it's impossible to keep the Ten Commandments are those who:

don't love Jesus (John 14:15 KJV; 1 John 5:2-3 KJV)
don't believe they can do all things through Christ (Philippians 4:13 KJV)
don't have the truth in their lying hearts (1 John 3:4 KJV)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If we have another toilet paper shortage, don't worry, you can use that OSAS License to Sin of yours because that's about all it's good for. The only people who claim it's impossible to keep the Ten Commandments are those who:

don't love Jesus (John 14:15 KJV; 1 John 5:2-3 KJV)
don't believe they can do all things through Christ (Philippians 4:13 KJV)
don't have the truth in their lying hearts (1 John 3:4 KJV)

Thanks, you just proved my point

good luck when you meet Jesus and try to tell him what a good little boy you were, when he says depart for he never knew you. Don’t blame those of us who have true living faith in God, blame those who led you astray

 

[Phoneman-777]

IMO,you are too focused on sin and the what If's.Focus on renewing your mind/body/flesh.

If ever there were any who focus on human weakness and sin instead of overcoming through the indwelling power of Jesus in the heart, it is OSAS folks.

Paul says in Hebrews 12:3-4 KJV that until you guys mingle your sweat with your blood fighting temptation, don't bother him with this nonsense about "we can't keep the law".

 

[Phoneman-777]

The first part of your responding post Is true but once a person has repented In truth,GOD IS not judging the sins of the born again Christian again and again but the person has been equipped by GOD and will be In the process of renewing their minds or as some call It continued sanctification.

Romans 4:1-2
King James Version

1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath [whereof] to glory; but not before God.

How many times do I have to say it?

"Salvation changes ME, not just GOD"S OPINION of the habitual, deliberate, known sin that remains in me."

 

[Phoneman-777]

Thanks, you just proved my point

good luck when you meet Jesus and try to tell him what a good little boy you were, when he says depart for he never knew you. Don’t blame those of us who have true living faith in God, blame those who led you astray

Your opinions of my relationship with Jesus are worth less than that OSAS License to Sin you carry: at least you can substitute that License for toilet paper, should another shortage arise.

 

[gb9]

Your opinions of my relationship with Jesus are worth less than that OSAS License to Sin you carry: at least you can substitute that License for toilet paper, should another shortage arise.

and since you reject the language that the N.T. was written in, and in insisting on your own private interpretation , that would make a lot of what you say simply invalid, right??

 

[Phoneman-777]

Yea It does but for me I don't put a lot of trust In every web site,I don't have a anti virus on this Android tablet.

You'll have to put a mask on your device

 

[Phoneman-777]

and since you reject the language that the N.T. was written in, and in insisting on your own private interpretation , that would make a lot of what you say simply invalid, right??

???????????

 

[Phoneman-777]

We will never reach an agreement on how a person is saved today because of your commitment to SDA . Your religion literally prevents the understanding of how the components of salvation works ,and how salvation is appropriated today.You would have to repent of SDA ism to fully understand New testament salvation. I mean well when I say this .

Ahhh, the classic "ad hominem" attack -- the weapon of last resort for those who find themselves backed up in a corner of the arena of ideas with no more plays to call.

Does Romans 7:25 KJV grant the Christian freedom to simultaneously serve the Law of the Spirit with his mind and the Law of Sin with his flesh? Can a Christian gaze to the ceiling of his neighbor's bedroom thinking thoughts of faithfulness to God while simultaneously ejaculating in his neighbor's wife? Just putting some meat on this popular theological skeleton, is all. You gonna answer the question?

 

[Phoneman-777]

Ultimately what's gets a person into the lake of fire is not being Glorified.

No, what gets a person cast into the Lake of Fire is iniquity, which is habitual, deliberate, known sin (Matthew 7:23 KJV) ... because provision was made for the salvation of the sinner's soul, but the sinner refused to avail himself of that provision.

 

[Phoneman-777]

You assume keeping the law IS the prerequisite to getting into heaven.

I've said all along that keeping the law is not a means to obtain salvation but the evidence that salvation has already, previously, earlier, beforehand been obtained by grace through faith (1 John 2:3-4 KJV) - an unsaved person cannot keep the law (Romans 8:7 KJV).

 

[Phoneman-777]

25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
So are you saying Paul was lost at this point ?

OK, I'll give you a shot at answering the question since SeedMan is too cowardly to do so:

QUESTION: Does Romans 7:25 KJV teach the popular but ridiculous idea that a man may simultaneously serve the Law of the Spirit with his mind while serving the Law of Sin with his flesh?

Let's put some meat on this asinine theological skeleton:

Can a Christian simultaneously gaze heavenly toward the ceiling of his neighbor's bedroom thinking thoughts of faithfulness to God while in the same moment ejaculating in his neighbor's wife?

 

[gb9]

No, what gets a person cast into the Lake of Fire is iniquity, which is habitual, deliberate, known sin (Matthew 7:23 KJV) ... because provision was made for the salvation of the sinner's soul, but the sinner refused to avail himself of that provision.

this is what i mean by the language thing-

what will land one in the lake of fire is non trust and faith in belief in Jesus.

if the gauge is how much one sins or not, then it is up to works or lack of good works.

and that directly contradicts Scripture.

by grace through faith for good works.
anything other than that is false, man made religious teaching.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Jesus said I am the way, the Truth, and the Life. In the original Greek translation, it is more like this"

"I am the only WAY not a way but the Only WAY, I am the only Truth, not "a truth" but THE TRUTH only, and I am The Only Life, The only Eternal Life given to man.

He who has the Son has life.

Look man, if you ain't gonna bring none of that gumbo to the party, then you gots to go...