What is the Royal Law or Law of Liberty?

[Phoneman-777]

Ok but I'm saying that some sins that we commit we are not aware that we are committing them Or Its a sin that many born again believes commit.And the part of us that got saved (the Spirit) Is perfect In GODs eyes and does not commit sin.IMO you are talking about renewing the mind/body to the new creation that we have become and that the part of us that sins and WILL sin and Is NOT EASILY overcome.If you think It Is then you are deceiving yourself.How do you know what you think about when you sleep.What If the street law says don't go over 55mi per hour and you accidentally go 56 MI per hour?
1 John 3:9
King James Version

9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Why spend time dwelling on the wrong that you don't know you're doing? We already have the assurance in the book of Acts that "in times of ignorance, God winks at it".

What we need to concern ourselves with is the sin we KNOW we ought not to do, yet we continue doing: God stands ready to deliver us from such habits, and once delivered, He reveals yet another of our character defects from which He also stands ready to deliver us. Our job is to surrender to every impression of the Holy Spirit, because that's EXACTLY what Jesus did and HE is our example and leader, right or wrong?

Where did Christians ever get the idea that they can call themselves "Christians" but refuse to follow the example of Whom from which they get their namesake?

 

[Phoneman-777]

What Is born of the flesh Is flesh and what's born of the SPIRIT IS SPIRIT
when a person Is born again their Spirit was made perfect by GOD but we are still In human bodies that are subjected to the world and our bodies have not yet been made perfect.
Romans 12:1-2
King James Version

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Do you agree with the Bible that no man can serve two masters?
Do you agree with the Bible that a double minded man is unstable and unsaved?
Do you agree with the Bible that a saved man cannot be lukewarm, but hot or cold and lost?

Then I implore you to abandon this ridiculous idea that Romans 7:25 permits us to simultaneously serve the "Law of the Spirit" and the "Law of the Flesh"! The verse is teaching the mutual exclusivity of the two - not establishing as possible the simultaneous practice the two, which thing is proven impossible, according to the above texts!

Again, a man cannot simultaneously be in service to the "Law of the Spirit" by occupying his mind with thoughts of heavenly bliss, and at the same time be in service to the "Law of the Flesh" during sexual intercourse with his neighbor's wife. Do you agree?

 

[Phoneman-777]

God's opinion of sin remains the same He is holy, yet the remedy for Sin is not the law, but the Blood of Jesus. The law doesn't save the flesh, the flesh will always desire what the law says do not do. it is the renewing of our minds y the word of God and the relationship with Christ who we are to rely on completely for the finished work of salvation. WE are saved, we are being saved, and we will be saved.

So, salvation actually CHANGES us from disobedient transgressors of the Ten Commandments to obedient keepers of the Ten Commandments, because if we love God, we'll keep the first four, and if we love our neighbor, the last six, right or wrong?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Why spend time dwelling on the wrong that you don't know you're doing? We already have the assurance in the book of Acts that "in times of ignorance, God winks at it".

What we need to concern ourselves with is the sin we KNOW we ought not to do, yet we continue doing: God stands ready to deliver us from such habits, and once delivered, He reveals yet another of our character defects from which He also stands ready to deliver us. Our job is to surrender to every impression of the Holy Spirit, because that's EXACTLY what Jesus did and HE is our example and leader, right or wrong?

Where did Christians ever get the idea that they can call themselves "Christians" but refuse to follow the example of Whom from which they get their namesake?

I was just telling you that eternal salvation doesn't depend on habitual sin because If It did many Christians would not be saved according to what you said

I think the verse is saying that people who are waiting for the coming of Jesus will strive to live holy lives, not engage in habitual sin without any concern for repentance from it. Gluttony is just as much sinful as adultery - but both are more than easily overcome with the indwelling power of Jesus.

So then after we repent and get saved GOD IS not judging us on our sins because we acknowledged our sin nature and repented and now we are In the process of renewing our minds.
Romans 12:1-2
King James Version

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
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Sidenote: A person that has been saved will seek to purify themselves even as they are pure.

1 John 3:1-4
King James Version

1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Do you agree with the Bible that no man can serve two masters?
Do you agree with the Bible that a double minded man is unstable and unsaved?
Do you agree with the Bible that a saved man cannot be lukewarm, but hot or cold and lost?

Then I implore you to abandon this ridiculous idea that Romans 7:25 permits us to simultaneously serve the "Law of the Spirit" and the "Law of the Flesh"! The verse is teaching the mutual exclusivity of the two - not establishing as possible the simultaneous practice the two, which thing is proven impossible, according to the above texts!

Again, a man cannot simultaneously be in service to the "Law of the Spirit" by occupying his mind with thoughts of heavenly bliss, and at the same time be in service to the "Law of the Flesh" during sexual intercourse with his neighbor's wife. Do you agree?

1 John 3:1-3
King James Version

1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

So, salvation actually CHANGES us from disobedient transgressors of the Ten Commandments to obedient keepers of the Ten Commandments, because if we love God, we'll keep the first four, and if we love our neighbor, the last six, right or wrong?

Ten?
You must have meant the two because no man can keep the ten because we are carnal and because of the weakness of the flesh are brought Into captivity to the law of sin which Is In our flesh.
Romans 7:21-23
King James Version

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

 

[CS1]

So, salvation actually CHANGES us from disobedient transgressors of the Ten Commandments to obedient keepers of the Ten Commandments, because if we love God, we'll keep the first four, and if we love our neighbor, the last six, right or wrong?

Well, my gumbo-eating friend, Salvation does not change us from a disobedient transgressor of the Law to one who keeps it.

what does the Salvation provide and why was it given? Salvation was not given so we could keep the law it was given to take away the penalty of Breaking the law. Something had to pay for your sin or transgression of the law and the Holy God of the bible requires

BLOOD or a life. You after being justified by the Death and blood of Jesus who paid for your breaking of the Law and set free, think God is now going to be so exuberant about you keeping the law today?

Your name in the Lamb's Book of Life not in the of the law. You who could never be saved by keeping the sabbath before you were saved and deserving of the penalty for breaking the law in the past can't today live by the law you have broken.

You are supposed to be dead executed, stoned, put to the sword. The only reason why you have not or I is Christ. Not obeying the law today.

Now You can't make a better Gumbo than I.

 

[Phoneman-777]

I was just telling you that eternal salvation doesn't depend on habitual sin because If It did many Christians would not be saved according to what you said

I like how you used that word "many" when speaking about habitual sin and Christians. Jesus is going to say to "many" professed "Christians", "Depart from Me, ye that work iniquity". So, looks like iniquity - "habitual known sin" - does indeed affect their salvation!

So then after we repent and get saved GOD IS not judging us on our sins because we acknowledged our sin nature and repented and now we are In the process of renewing our minds.
Romans 12:1-2
King James Version

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Ever read about the concept of "backsliding", which if a man does, God says His soul shall have "no pleasure in him"? Those who enter the kingdom "...keep His commandments and do those things which are PLEASING in His sight" so, is the backslider going to enjoy the same reward? Of course not!

Sidenote: A person that has been saved will seek to purify themselves even as they are pure.

A man who is seeking to purify himself does not commit habitual, known sin - just as a man who truly loves his wife will not cheat on her. Are you arguing that a man who habitually cheats on his wife is striving to maintain his marriage in purity?

OSAS is not only unBiblical, but is of the most satanic of all Lucifer's deceptions because it encourages "Christians" to dig their heels of disobedience more deeply in the quicksand while all the while convincing them they're on safe ground.

 

[gb9]

Christians should dig their heels into faith and trust in Christ, for that is what says..

those words have meanings.

do you need me to define them for you ( again)??

 

[Phoneman-777]

1 John 3:1-3
King James Version

1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

As usual, when I post something that is unanswerable, the response is to evade it altogether.

But I'll ask the question again, at least so others deceived by your position may have opportunity to reconsider:

Is Romans 7:25 KJV teaching us that we can simultaneously keep the Law of the Spirit and the Law of the flesh?​

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Is it teaching we may lift our gaze toward the ceiling of our neighbor's bedroom, smiling and thinking heavenly thoughts of faithfulness to God while simultaneously ejaculating in our neighbor's wife?​

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I think it's teaching the exact same thing found in Romans 6:14-16 KJV -- that the Christian may continue to choose "obedience unto righteousness" or change his mind and choose "sin unto death".

 

[Phoneman-777]

because no man can keep the ten because we are carnal and because of the weakness of the flesh are brought Into captivity to the law of sin which Is In our flesh.
Romans 7:21-23
King James Version

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

The grace of which Paul speaks in this passage (Romans 7:21-23 KJV) is to the Just Man who falls seven times but eventually learns to walk without stumbling.

You desire grace of a different kind, of which Paul does not speak because it does not exist: you wish grace for the Presumptuous Man who intentionally climbs down in the pit of sin and swats away the uplifting hand of Jesus while shoving a OSAS License to Sin in His face. That's not grace - it's disgrace.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Well, my gumbo-eating friend, Salvation does not change us from a disobedient transgressor of the Law to one who keeps it.

"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they who keep the commandments of God..." Revelation 14:12 KJV​

"...and went to make war with the remnant of her seed which keep the commandments of God..." Revelation 12:17 KJV​

"He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a liar..." - 1 John 2:4 KJV​

"And because iniquity shall abound, the "agape" of many shall wax cold, but he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved." - Matthew 24:12-13 KJV​

"Blessed are they who do His commandments, that they might have a right to the Tree of Life..." Revelation 22:14 KJV​

The only problem with your premise is that the Bible doesn't support it

what does the Salvation provide and why was it given? Salvation was not given so we could keep the law it was given to take away the penalty of Breaking the law. Something had to pay for your sin or transgression of the law and the Holy God of the bible requires BLOOD or a life. You after being justified by the Death and blood of Jesus who paid for your breaking of the Law and set free, think God is now going to be so exuberant about you keeping the law today?

We're saved by grace through faith, but we're judged by our works: If we claim to love Jesus, but our life is full of habitual, deliberate sin, we are not saved and are going to hell. "Show me thy faith without works and I will show you my faith BY MY WORKS" says the apostle.

Your name in the Lamb's Book of Life not in the of the law. You who could never be saved by keeping the sabbath before you were saved and deserving of the penalty for breaking the law in the past can't today live by the law you have broken. You are supposed to be dead executed, stoned, put to the sword. The only reason why you have not or I is Christ. Not obeying the law today.

Didn't God tell Moses if any man sin against Him, his name would be blotted out of the Book of Life?
BTW, I had a friend tell me the Book of LIfe and the Lamb's Book of Life are two different books, and I had to remind him that it was the Lamb Who was their with Moses talking about blotting out names, which means the two books are ONE IN THE SAME - and if we sin and fail to repent, we're getting out name blotted out.

Now You can't make a better Gumbo than I.

Now, that I'll probably admit to: I never learned how to cook...but my Sonita can throw down in the kitchen like nobody else, so no matter LOL

 

[Phoneman-777]

Christians should dig their heels into faith and trust in Christ, for that is what says..

those words have meanings.

do you need me to define them for you ( again)??

Nah, you first have to have an understanding of them before you can expound on the meaning of them

 

[seed_time_harvest]

As usual, when I post something that is unanswerable, the response is to evade it altogether.

But I'll ask the question again, at least so others deceived by your position may have opportunity to reconsider:

Is Romans 7:25 KJV teaching us that we can simultaneously keep the Law of the Spirit and the Law of the flesh?​

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Is it teaching we may lift our gaze toward the ceiling of our neighbor's bedroom, smiling and thinking heavenly thoughts of faithfulness to God while simultaneously ejaculating in our neighbor's wife?​

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I think it's teaching the exact same thing found in Romans 6:14-16 KJV -- that the Christian may continue to choose "obedience unto righteousness" or change his mind and choose "sin unto death".

You need to copy/paste those scriptures so the reader understand what you are talking about.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

The grace of which Paul speaks in this passage (Romans 7:21-23 KJV) is to the Just Man who falls seven times but eventually learns to walk without stumbling.

You desire grace of a different kind, of which Paul does not speak because it does not exist: you wish grace for the Presumptuous Man who intentionally climbs down in the pit of sin and swats away the uplifting hand of Jesus while shoving a OSAS License to Sin in His face. That's not grace - it's disgrace.

At first I thought that you were saying what I have been trying to get you to understand which Is what Is Spirit Is Spirit and what Is flesh Is flesh and once we are saved sin Is not the Issue anymore but renewing the mind but a person that has been saved Will seek to be like they are In the Spirit ,then you said I desire grace of a different kind so now I'm confused.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Do you agree with the Bible that no man can serve two masters?
Do you agree with the Bible that a double minded man is unstable and unsaved?
Do you agree with the Bible that a saved man cannot be lukewarm, but hot or cold and lost?

Then I implore you to abandon this ridiculous idea that Romans 7:25 permits us to simultaneously serve the "Law of the Spirit" and the "Law of the Flesh"! The verse is teaching the mutual exclusivity of the two - not establishing as possible the simultaneous practice the two, which thing is proven impossible, according to the above texts!

Again, a man cannot simultaneously be in service to the "Law of the Spirit" by occupying his mind with thoughts of heavenly bliss, and at the same time be in service to the "Law of the Flesh" during sexual intercourse with his neighbor's wife. Do you agree?

Do you agree with the Bible that a double minded man is unstable and unsaved?

Like I keep saying and you not accepting what Is born of the SPIRIT IS Spirit and what Is born of the flesh Is flesh AND once we have been saved ,sin Is not the Issue anymore but by the mercies of GOD we should renew our minds.And once again the bible says that every man that has this hope will seek to purify himself even as he Is pure.This Is called continuous sanctification.

Do you agree with the Bible that a saved man cannot be lukewarm, but hot or cold and lost?

Spirit Is Spirit and flesh Is flesh.The person that has been born of the SPIRIT cannot sin because GOD has created them new.After salvation the saved man will continue to sin but GOD Is not judging the persons sin and the person will be In the process of renewing their mind.

Spirit and flesh are not on the same level but the flesh Will seek to be like the new creation It has become.So then a saved person will not be looking heavenly while sleeping with his neighbors wife.

Sidenote:
Romans 4:1-2
King James Version

1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath [whereof] to glory; but not before God.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they who keep the commandments of God..." Revelation 14:12 KJV​

"...and went to make war with the remnant of her seed which keep the commandments of God..." Revelation 12:17 KJV​

"He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a liar..." - 1 John 2:4 KJV​

"And because iniquity shall abound, the "agape" of many shall wax cold, but he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved." - Matthew 24:12-13 KJV​

"Blessed are they who do His commandments, that they might have a right to the Tree of Life..." Revelation 22:14 KJV​

The only problem with your premise is that the Bible doesn't support it
We're saved by grace through faith, but we're judged by our works: If we claim to love Jesus, but our life is full of habitual, deliberate sin, we are not saved and are going to hell. "Show me thy faith without works and I will show you my faith BY MY WORKS" says the apostle.
Didn't God tell Moses if any man sin against Him, his name would be blotted out of the Book of Life?
BTW, I had a friend tell me the Book of LIfe and the Lamb's Book of Life are two different books, and I had to remind him that it was the Lamb Who was their with Moses talking about blotting out names, which means the two books are ONE IN THE SAME - and if we sin and fail to repent, we're getting out name blotted out.
Now, that I'll probably admit to: I never learned how to cook...but my Sonita can throw down in the kitchen like nobody else, so no matter LOL

Are you talking about the ten commandments or the two commandments?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Romans 7:14
King James Version

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

 

[throughfaith]

I understand grace enough to know that it's not the License to Sin that OSAS says it is...OSAS turns grace into disgrace because it says the Christian may continue doing the same things they did before without fear of condemnation while the Bible repeatedly says that the saved person who turns back to a life of sin will be lost.

Peter says they are like dogs and pigs that go back to their old ways. Paul says it is impossible to renew these people again to repentance when the crucify Jesus afresh, and Jesus says they who allow their iniquity to kill their agape cold and dead will fail to endure to the end and be saved.

" License to Sin" . Yeah you like this phrase don't you? It has nothing to do with the bible . Its just a clever little shaming tool to trigger a response.

 

[throughfaith]

A classic sign that one is losing a debate is their resorting to ad hominen.

Just stick to the Bible and stop with this nonsense, OK?

Now, please answer the question FROM THE BIBLE: is Romans 7:25 saying or not saying that a man may gaze toward heaven smiling and thinking holy thoughts of faithfulness with his mind while ejaculating in his neighbor's wife with his body of flesh?

Is that what Paul is saying about serving the law of the spirit and serving the law of the flesh?

Or, is Paul making the point that unholy fleshly desire will always exist within us and that we must subdue it and serve only the law of the Spirit?

As a believer the bible really can help you learn and grow in the faith. To mature and help further the wonderful good news to others ,in love . God doesn't leave us without help and direction . Isn't it wonderful?