If He did get genetic material from Mary, then I think Mary would have had to be very, very special indeed.
yes -- "
blessed are you among women" the angel said
((searches))
Luke 1:42
and she's a Jew! in the line of David ((Matthew 1 -- i knew that one lol))
Her genetics would have had to been able to produce a son without any defect at all so that Jesus could be the perfect sacrifice.
not necessarily! Eve was the first to sin, but it is through Adam that death entered the world ((Romans something.. **searches**.. Romans 5:12 ..**dang i should have known that one**)). in humans, the mother doesn't transfer blood through the fallopian tube to an embryo, and 'the life is in the blood' ((that's in a couple places in the law, i'll let you search this time, ha!)) -- so isn't death also in the blood? as God defines life and death!
So if Jesus was genetically a Jew, then maybe the Catholics are onto something about Mary.
nah. see previous argument. if Mary was sinless she may as well have been the sacrifice for sin, instead of God-having-taken-humanit-on-Himself = Jesus.
But if Mary was just a surrogate, then Jesus would have totally unique perfect genetics, and I'd guess the protestants are correct about Mary being of no real significance.
i don't think protestants say Mary has 'no real significance' just because she isn't sinless or to be worshiped & prayed to. they wouldn't be right, even if they did -- because, see 1st argument, she's blesses among women
also -- Jesus wouldn't need both father and mother to be singular to have uniquely perfect DNA. His 'male' gene didn't come from Joseph, but from Himself, from God. He has no earthly father, and that's enough to make Him very, very different in a genetic sense than anyone else ((except Adam!)) -- while still completely human and completely God.
But I do think that it is apparent that He was at least raised as a jew. And regardless of His genetics, I think it's safe to say that He was born OF the jews and thus fullfilled the prophesy to Abraham regarding how all people will be blessed through his seed.
yes! and born from a Jewish mother, circumcised the 8th day, under the law as only Jews were. not for no reason! but because salvation is 'to the Jew first, and also the Gentile' ((hey! i know that one! Romans 1:16! because i have to keep reminding our friendly-neighborhood hyper-dispensationalists! of that verse!))
I don't think God foresook the jews at all. I think they have fulfilled their purpose that God had for them. I think if jews want to go to heaven, they need to trust in Jesus, just like anyone else. I don't buy into this idea of two sets of rules - one for jews and one for everyone else.
i don't believe there is salvation for Jews outside of Christ either, and there isn't 2 different 'sets of rules' either.
but there is still a lot of prophecy that sure seems to be written specifically to and about the nation and people of Israel that hasn't happened yet. like CS1 pointed out, Christ is going to return
to the land of Israel in a specific place, and specifically to defend them when all the world is gathered against them. that takes a literal physical nation that God literally physically comes and saves. just as an example.
like i said earlier ((dunno if you saw)) if God forsakes those He calls His people then there is no such thing as salvation for
anyone because salvation depends solely and completely on Him and His own mercy