The Father Of Roman Catholicism, Emperor Constatine The Great

[Athanasius377]

Big Smiles Again!

When Do We Do These Things?

Jesus Christ gave a clear directive to the Church

(This Do In Remembrance Of Me)

1 Corinthians 11:23-26KJV
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

And big smiles back at you. When do we do these things? And who is part of the bride if Christ?

 

[Athanasius377]

The persecution of the Church for hundreds of years probably played a role in that. And travel wasn’t exactly an easy process in that time either. In any case, the council got the creed right so praise God.

Great point. I often wonder how many bishops were disabled or maimed from the persecution that could hardly walk let alone make a journey all the way to Asia Minor. Or simply didn’t believe the emperor’s promise of safe conduct. I can’t say I blame them.

 

[Magenta]

Nobody has denied the church existed before constantine

Look at post 101. It starts by saying: I think all church doctrine has roots in Constantine.

And you gave it a thumbs up

 

[Truth7t7]

Look at post 101. It starts by saying: I think all church doctrine has roots in Constantine.

And you gave it a thumbs up

My like was generalized, constantine did institute Easter and Sunday observance in the church, and I agree with this

 

[Truth7t7]

It always "just kills me" when people talk as if 'The Church' started with Constantine - as if it didn't exist on-its-own since Christ.

Constantine wanted a State Church. So, he started one. He purposely went about it in a way to make it appeal to pagans, Christians, and Jews.

Many of those from the true churches "fell for it" and became a part of Constantine's Church.

The rest held fast to the Bible doctrine they had been taught.

They became 'targets' for centuries by the Pagan Church.

The true story of the original churches (before Constantine) throughout history:

https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Books, Tracts & Preaching/Printed Books/trail_of_blood_jm_carroll.htm

Your explanation hit the bullseye, nothing to be added, good post!

 

[Athanasius377]

It always "just kills me" when people talk as if 'The Church' started with Constantine - as if it didn't exist on-its-own since Christ.

Constantine wanted a State Church. So, he started one. He purposely went about it in a way to make it appeal to pagans, Christians, and Jews.

Many of those from the true churches "fell for it" and became a part of Constantine's Church.

The rest held fast to the Bible doctrine they had been taught.

They became 'targets' for centuries by the Pagan Church.

The true story of the original churches (before Constantine) throughout history:

https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Books, Tracts & Preaching/Printed Books/trail_of_blood_jm_carroll.htm

Ahh, Trail of Blood. I should have known. So this wasn't a discussion on history rather its promulgating ideology and propaganda. This isn't history. It's propaganda and nothing more.
Here's a critique that that a large portion of can be read for free.

Baptist Successionism: A Crucial Question in Baptist History - James Edward McGoldrick - Google Books

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

I very well know where the expression came from.

Kindly address others who also have a problem with the premise of this op. I've encountered some real nastiness in this thread and I don't believe your 'advice' is necessary. Your comments amount to silliness if you think anyone believes that the story a 'Christmas Carol' is anything but fiction.

You use the name Nebuchadnezzer. Are you actually Nebuchadnezzer? why choose the name of a king of the Neo-Babylonian empire. maybe test those spirits

Romans 14:5
One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

Lets us be slow to anger, quick to forgive.

 

[Blik]

Your claim of the church dying out is false

Yes Constantine is the very foundation of much that we see today in many churches

Yes Constantine initiated Easter and Sunday observance, both of pagan origin

Matthew 16:17-19KJV
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

How do you find any post of mine to say the church is dying out? Scripture tells us there will be a terrible fight between evil and God, but that God will win. That is the truth and what anyone says is besides the point.

I have lived almost 100 years now, so I have watched how the church has changed. Before, most people would not think of how Constantine changed the church from the church Christ established--The Way. No one understood Constantine's role in church doctrine, they simply accepted what the minister told them. They also would not tolerate the lack of morals in their membership that is tolerated today. The church was much more powerful for good than it is today.

 

[Truth7t7]

How do you find any post of mine to say the church is dying out? Scripture tells us there will be a terrible fight between evil and God, but that God will win. That is the truth and what anyone says is besides the point.

I have lived almost 100 years now, so I have watched how the church has changed. Before, most people would not think of how Constantine changed the church from the church Christ established--The Way. No one understood Constantine's role in church doctrine, they simply accepted what the minister told them. They also would not tolerate the lack of morals in their membership that is tolerated today. The church was much more powerful for good than it is today.

Quote Blik Post # 103

The church that Christ started was called "The Way" and it completely died out after only about 500 years after Christ. It was very different from our church today.

 

[Magenta]

Quote Blik Post # 103

The church that Christ started was called "The Way" and it completely died out after only about 500 years after Christ. It was very different from our church today.

It's post #101, not 103... same one you put the thumbs up on

 

[Truth7t7]

It's post #101, not 103... same one you put the thumbs up on

I believe Blik should gave used the word "Much" instead of "All" but I agree 100% with the post below, excluding the word "All"

Quote Blik Post #101

I think all church doctrine has roots in Constantine. He made the change from Saturday worship to Sunday worship law in order to not do anything Jews did. He made it a law to not celebrate Passover but substitute Easter, changing the date. He made deciding about church doctrine something a group of men did instead of going to scripture.

 

[GodMyFortress]

I think all church doctrine has roots in Constantine. He made the change from Saturday worship to Sunday worship law in order to not do anything Jews did. He made it a law to not celebrate Passover but substitute Easter, changing the date. He made deciding about church doctrine something a group of men did instead of going to scripture. The church that Christ started was called "The Way" and it completely died out after only about 500 years after Christ. It was very different from our church today.

Could you list one Christian between the end of the 1st century and the end of the 4th century that said they belong to a church called “The Way”.

 

[14meatcc]

I stick with the original doctrine of the new testament, and that is the Pauline doctrine of "Justification Solely by Faith"

 

[Jackson123]

Catholic doctrine is satanic and lie

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

Look her lie, catholic say Muslim and catholic together adore Abraham God, mankind's judge on the last day

Mankind's judge on last days is Jesus not Muslim God

 

[Nehemiah6]

I think all church doctrine has roots in Constantine.

This is blatantly false. "Church doctrine" would apply to any and all churches and any and all doctrines, not just the Roman Catholic Church. And Constantine had little or no influence on non-Catholic churches.

Regarding the Lord's Day (the first day of the week, also called Sunday) that was already established as the day of Christian worship while the apostles were still alive. Constantine had nothing to do with the origin, although he may have made it the official day of Christian worship. Nothing wrong with that. Give credit where credit is due.

 

[Magenta]

I believe Blik should gave used the word "Much" instead of "All" but I agree 100% with the post below, excluding the word "All"

Quote Blik Post #101

I think all church doctrine has roots in Constantine. He made the change from Saturday worship to Sunday worship law in order to not do anything Jews did. He made it a law to not celebrate Passover but substitute Easter, changing the date. He made deciding about church doctrine something a group of men did instead of going to scripture.

I don't care what you believe Blik should have said instead of what she actually did say. Sounds very much like wishful thinking on your part, and is not going to change the facts. She followed up that erroneous statement by also saying, The church that Christ started was called "The Way" and it completely died out after only about 500 years after Christ. It was very different from our church today.

 

[Truth7t7]

I don't care what you believe Blik should have said instead of what she actually did say. Sounds very much like wishful thinking on your part, and is not going to change the facts. She followed up that erroneous statement by also saying, The church that Christ started was called "The Way" and it completely died out after only about 500 years after Christ. It was very different from our church today.

You will closely note in post #129 above, I covered that concern about the church dying out

The horse is dead

 

[Jackson123]

This is blatantly false. "Church doctrine" would apply to any and all churches and any and all doctrines, not just the Roman Catholic Church. And Constantine had little or no influence on non-Catholic churches.

Regarding the Lord's Day (the first day of the week, also called Sunday) that was already established as the day of Christian worship while the apostles were still alive. Constantine had nothing to do with the origin, although he may have made it the official day of Christian worship. Nothing wrong with that. Give credit where credit is due.

This is blatantly false. "Church doctrine" would apply to any and all churches and any and all doctrines, not just the Roman Catholic Church. And Constantine had little or no influence on non-Catholic churches.

Regarding the Lord's Day (the first day of the week, also called Sunday) that was already established as the day of Christian worship while the apostles were still alive. Constantine had nothing to do with the origin, although he may have made it the official day of Christian worship. Nothing wrong with that. Give credit where credit is due.

I agree church doctrine must base on Jesus teaching/bible not Constantine teaching
So if there is Constantine teaching on the church, it must be remove

 

[GodMyFortress]

Catholic doctrine is satanic and lie

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

Look her lie, catholic say Muslim and catholic together adore Abraham God, mankind's judge on the last day

Mankind's judge on last days is Jesus not Muslim God

Calling 1.2 Billion Trinitarian Christians followers of satanic doctrine...that’s a new low on here. I don’t agree with the 2 big Solas that Protestants believe but it would never occur to me to say that.

 

[Jackson123]

Calling 1.2 Billion Trinitarian Christians followers of satanic doctrine...that’s a new low on here. I don’t agree with the 2 big Solas that Protestants believe but it would never occur to me to say that.

Islam God say Jesus is not God
Catholic say Islam god is Abraham God

So to this doctrine is satanic, embrace the god that say Jesus is not God