What is the Royal Law or Law of Liberty?

[CS1]

Mark
7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

This is why we can summarize 10 commands with two. Sin does not proceed from a heart that embraces the two commands..


Understanding the above is what gives us liberty.

I like your point

Liberty is the outcome of knowing Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Whom the Son has set free, is free indeed.

Jesus after reading from the Prophet Isaiah in Luke 4:18-20

“The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”
20 Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21 And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”



Hear what Jesus said, believe it, receive it.

 

[Phoneman-777]

IMO you are saying that some sins are acceptable and some sins are not

No, I say what the Bible says: that the blood of Jesus covers the sin of the "Just Man" striving and learning to overcome it, while there is NO MERCY for the "Presumptuous OSAS Man" who refuses to repent and thus fashions for himself a License to Sin.

Does a father swat a baby who falls down while trying to learn to walk ,or does he reach down to help?

What about a the father of a teenage son who wrecks the car, steals from his wallet, refuses to abide by the rules of his father's house? This is the kind of heavenly Father the OSAS crowd wants, but will never have.

 

[Phoneman-777]

I like your point

Liberty is the outcome of knowing Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Whom the Son has set free, is free indeed.

Jesus after reading from the Prophet Isaiah in Luke 4:18-20

“The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”
20 Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21 And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”



Hear what Jesus said, believe it, receive it.

The Bible repeatedly refers to those who practice sin as being in bondage to sin, in slavery to sin, servants of sin, prisoners of sin, etc.

Does "liberty" means "freedom from bondage, slavery, servitude, and imprisonment" to sin?

In other words, does salvation change me, or just God's opinion of the sin that remains in me"?

 

[CS1]

The Bible repeatedly refers to those who practice sin as being in bondage to sin, in slavery to sin, servants of sin, prisoners of sin, etc.

Does "liberty" means "freedom from bondage, slavery, servitude, and imprisonment" to sin - or does it mean "liberty doesn't change me, just God's opinion of the my bondage, slavery, servitude, imprisonment to sin that remains in me"?

that is true But, Christ came to save us from the penalty of sin. Paul said we are "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage(the law) . "

5:4 "You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace."

 

[seed_time_harvest]

No, I say what the Bible says: that the blood of Jesus covers the sin of the "Just Man" striving and learning to overcome it, while there is NO MERCY for the "Presumptuous OSAS Man" who refuses to repent and thus fashions for himself a License to Sin.

Does a father swat a baby who falls down while trying to learn to walk ,or does he reach down to help?

What about a the father of a teenage son who wrecks the car, steals from his wallet, refuses to abide by the rules of his father's house? This is the kind of heavenly Father the OSAS crowd wants, but will never have.

Is gluttony an habitual sin?If the answer Is yes then how many Christians say they are saved and are not saved?
Put the emphasis on believing the WORD of GOD and not sin although a person that has been saved will seek to be perfect In body like they are In the Spirit.

1 John 3:1-4
King James Version

1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

The Bible repeatedly refers to those who practice sin as being in bondage to sin, in slavery to sin, servants of sin, prisoners of sin, etc.

Does "liberty" means "freedom from bondage, slavery, servitude, and imprisonment" to sin?

In other words, does salvation change me, or just God's opinion of the sin that remains in me"?

The Spirit has been changed and Is perfect but our bodies have not been redeemed yet and the body/mind Is the part that we are continuously trying to get to match the new creation we have become.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Its worth noting that Paul says nothing about a “LAW” of liberty; he says “the law of the SPIRIT” (Rom. 8:2).

Same difference. Paul calls it the Law of Christ. The liberty comes from understanding that love fulfils the Law (the Ten Commandments). See Romans 13. And love (agape or charity) is the supreme gift of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 13).

 

[throughfaith]

Who told you there was an increase in productivity? As one who has been in the Telecommunications industry for almost 25 years, OSHA "safety/accident mitigation" measures have resulted in work taking twice as long to do now that in the past.Now, before you think I've just proved your argument by saying more human regulations equals less production, let's talk about your OSAS License to Sin "safety net" that you claim increases productivity:

What does Paul say about who is better equipped to run in the Race of Life?
Hebrews 12:1 KJV:
"Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset [us], and let us run with patience the race that is set before us..."

Alright, if you agree with Jesus that we can't do anything apart from Him, what about Isaiah 59:2?
"But your iniquity has SEPARATED you from your God, and your sins have HIDDEN HIS FACE from you, that He will not hear."

Will you continue to insist OSAS Licensed "Christians" who refuse to repent of sin experience increased lap times in the Race of Life and increased production in life's factories where the Utility has pulled the power meters?

You add ' licence to sin '. This shows you don't understand grace . Or how salvation works today .

 

[throughfaith]

Amen - but you left out that tiny part about REPENTANCE and SURRENDER of our will to His will, as Jesus taught us to pray.
That is false. Peter says the latter end of us is worse than the beginning if we slide back into the filth from which we escaped - an escape made possible via the "new birth" and "law of the Spirit of life in Jesus".
Oh, so Paul is advocating duality of service? That we may in the Spirit gaze toward heaven, smiling and dwelling on sexual purity while simultaneously ejaculating in our neighbor's wife? That's exactly how you're interpreting Romans 7:25!

No, friend, Romans 7:25 KJV is saying the spiritually quickened mind of the Christian is always going to battle against the flesh as long as we're in this mortal body, but this same Paul also says that until you've mingled your sweat with blood fighting against temptation, he doesn't wanna a single word from whiny OSAS Licensees about how "we can't keep the law" (Hebrews 12:1-3 KJV).

Jesus says we must "endure to the end" to be saved, but many Christians will allow their agape to grow cold and dead, fail to endure to the end, and be lost (Matthew 24:12-13 KJV) and no OSAS License to Sin will help them.

Your are demonstrating a fine example of taking verses out if their context. You could possibly win an award for it . I ve had this same conversation with Jehovah’s witnesses over and over. The exact same verses used in the exact same way . Its quite alarming. Every cult teaches conditional salvation for today. Every false religion also . Roman Catholicism being the most obvious. Now look for where a cult or false religion teaches eternal security? (and i don't mean the lordship version of Calvinism either )
They cannot survive without control , manipulation and fear .

 

[throughfaith]

Same difference. Paul calls it the Law of Christ. The liberty comes from understanding that love fulfils the Law (the Ten Commandments). See Romans 13. And love (agape or charity) is the supreme gift of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 13).

Yes but is James referring to this when he says " Judgement without mercy " ?

 

[throughfaith]

Hey, man, disagree all you want, but the Bible says many people make "the belly" their god. I have disagreements too. Like with those who want to make sin acceptable in the sight of God and baptize that which was once wrong in the church.

Every hear of the old adage, "As the world goes, so goes the church"?

It means that as the world continues it's slide further into degradation, the church is never far behind. Amazing Facts speaker Doug Batchelor recounted how when he was a kid, a fellow public school classmate got sent home for wearing a dress considered too short then which was longer than dresses commonly worn in CHRISTIAN schools today.

I guess that which was once wrong can be made right if everyone decides to start doing it, right? Is that how Christianity works? We can trump the Word of God through Christian Consensus?

//Amazing Facts speaker Doug Batchelor recounted //The seventh day Adventist . Which is not Christianity.

 

[Phoneman-777]

that is true But, Christ came to save us from the penalty of sin. Paul said we are "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage(the law) . "

5:4 "You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace."

So, does salvation change me, or just God's opinion of my sin that remains in me?

 

[Phoneman-777]

3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

I think the verse is saying that people who are waiting for the coming of Jesus will strive to live holy lives, not engage in habitual sin without any concern for repentance from it. Gluttony is just as much sinful as adultery - but both are more than easily overcome with the indwelling power of Jesus.

 

[Phoneman-777]

You add ' licence to sin '. This shows you don't understand grace . Or how salvation works today .

I understand grace enough to know that it's not the License to Sin that OSAS says it is...OSAS turns grace into disgrace because it says the Christian may continue doing the same things they did before without fear of condemnation while the Bible repeatedly says that the saved person who turns back to a life of sin will be lost.

Peter says they are like dogs and pigs that go back to their old ways. Paul says it is impossible to renew these people again to repentance when the crucify Jesus afresh, and Jesus says they who allow their iniquity to kill their agape cold and dead will fail to endure to the end and be saved.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Your are demonstrating a fine example of taking verses out if their context. You could possibly win an award for it . I ve had this same conversation with Jehovah’s witnesses over and over. The exact same verses used in the exact same way . Its quite alarming. Every cult teaches conditional salvation for today. Every false religion also . Roman Catholicism being the most obvious. Now look for where a cult or false religion teaches eternal security? (and i don't mean the lordship version of Calvinism either )
They cannot survive without control , manipulation and fear .

A classic sign that one is losing a debate is their resorting to ad hominen.

Just stick to the Bible and stop with this nonsense, OK?

Now, please answer the question FROM THE BIBLE: is Romans 7:25 saying or not saying that a man may gaze toward heaven smiling and thinking holy thoughts of faithfulness with his mind while ejaculating in his neighbor's wife with his body of flesh?

Is that what Paul is saying about serving the law of the spirit and serving the law of the flesh?

Or, is Paul making the point that unholy fleshly desire will always exist within us and that we must subdue it and serve only the law of the Spirit?

 

[Phoneman-777]

//Amazing Facts speaker Doug Batchelor recounted //The seventh day Adventist . Which is not Christianity.

"Six days thou shalt do all thy labor...but the seventh day is the Sabbath...in it, thou shalt do no work."

Now, do you follow the commandments of God and keep the seventh day Sabbath holy or the traditions of men and keep "the venerable day of the Sun" which God never made holy, but which Satan has always led pagans to venerate?

Jesus says "Thus, ye have made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you saying, This people draweth nigh to Me with their mouths and honoreth Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. But, in vain do they worship Me, teaching for doctrine the commandments of men."

If you're going to accuse SDAs as non-Christians, you better be keeping the commandments of God and not the traditions of men, otherwise you yourself are a cult member who deviates from the Word of God upon which Christianity is founded, no matter what your profession.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I think the verse is saying that people who are waiting for the coming of Jesus will strive to live holy lives, not engage in habitual sin without any concern for repentance from it. Gluttony is just as much sinful as adultery - but both are more than easily overcome with the indwelling power of Jesus.

Ok but I'm saying that some sins that we commit we are not aware that we are committing them Or Its a sin that many born again believes commit.And the part of us that got saved (the Spirit) Is perfect In GODs eyes and does not commit sin.IMO you are talking about renewing the mind/body to the new creation that we have become and that the part of us that sins and WILL sin and Is NOT EASILY overcome.If you think It Is then you are deceiving yourself.How do you know what you think about when you sleep.What If the street law says don't go over 55mi per hour and you accidentally go 56 MI per hour?
1 John 3:9
King James Version

9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

The Bible repeatedly refers to those who practice sin as being in bondage to sin, in slavery to sin, servants of sin, prisoners of sin, etc.

Does "liberty" means "freedom from bondage, slavery, servitude, and imprisonment" to sin?

In other words, does salvation change me, or just God's opinion of the sin that remains in me"?

What Is born of the flesh Is flesh and what's born of the SPIRIT IS SPIRIT
when a person Is born again their Spirit was made perfect by GOD but we are still In human bodies that are subjected to the world and our bodies have not yet been made perfect.
Romans 12:1-2
King James Version

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

A classic sign that one is losing a debate is their resorting to ad hominen.

Just stick to the Bible and stop with this nonsense, OK?

Now, please answer the question FROM THE BIBLE: is Romans 7:25 saying or not saying that a man may gaze toward heaven smiling and thinking holy thoughts of faithfulness with his mind while ejaculating in his neighbor's wife with his body of flesh?

Is that what Paul is saying about serving the law of the spirit and serving the law of the flesh?

Or, is Paul making the point that unholy fleshly desire will always exist within us and that we must subdue it and serve only the law of the Spirit?

Although what's born of the flesh Is flesh and what's born of the SPIRIT IS SPIRIT a person that Is born of GOD will seek to purify themselves even as they are pure.
1 John 3:1-3
King James Version

1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

 

[CS1]

So, does salvation change me, or just God's opinion of my sin that remains in me?

God's opinion of sin remains the same He is holy, yet the remedy for Sin is not the law, but the Blood of Jesus. The law doesn't save the flesh, the flesh will always desire what the law says do not do. it is the renewing of our minds y the word of God and the relationship with Christ who we are to rely on completely for the finished work of salvation. WE are saved, we are being saved, and we will be saved.