50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

[Evmur]

EXCEPT the FOOLISH VIRGINS, those that never RECIEVED that Holy Spirit. NO, that NOT the Charimatic THING.

They are Church Goers who love the Worldly things more than they LOVE THE LORD.

Hear is another example of them:


1 Corinthians 2:12-14 (NIV)
12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

There certainly are people that sit in church Pews every week, WITHOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT IN THEM. HOW DO I KNOW ? ? ? I USED TO BE ONE OF THEM, that thought my Infant Baptism, and Sitting on a Church Pew regulary mean I was SAVED. NOT AT ALL. I knew every time I tried to commit suicide (3 times), that I was walking into hades/hell. I never KNEW that LOVING JESUS could feel so good. I thought thought the Bible was the most BORING BOOK ON EARTH, NOW it is the most Exciting BOOK. The difference is literally NIGHT and DAY.

Now I LOVE HIM more than any body.

Matthew 7:14 (NIV)
14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Only a FEW find it, HOW do you make your THEORY, square with the TRUTH of SCRIPTURE ? ? ?

Matthew 7:20 (NIV)
20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.


Fruit of the SPIRIT, is listed in ORDER of IMPORTANCE.


Galatians 5:22-23 (NIV)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

If AGAPE love is not the MOTIVE for Serving HIM, you are still LOST. I WAS, and I KNEW I WOULD GO TO HADES/HELL.

But that night after my THIRD attempt at SUICIDE the last week of 1977. I wept deeply and long over my sinful lifestyle, and
SURRENDERED willing to JESUS CHRIST out of pure love For HIM, and gave HIM CONTROL of my LIFE. THAT is GENUINE SALVATION.

Sitting on a Church Pew did not SAVE ME, THAT 🡽 love that HE PUT IN MY HEART, DID.

Romans 5:5 (NIV)
5 And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.

The church is the Bride, she will not need to knock to gain entrance ... the maidens are the bridal attendants.

 

[Evmur]

You should not be so quick to agree! Did you not read? The AC does not even SHOW UP until the midpoint of the "trib." And the days of GT Jesus spoke of really don't start until late in chapter 14.

The truth is, the first half of the "trib" or 70th week is the first 6 trumpet judgments.

(I know, many people imagine the "trib" starts with the first seal. They are mistaken, pulling that seal out of its context.)

The 70th week really starts at the 7th trumpet and ends with the 7th vial.

It would be good if you could find 2 christians who can agree on the Revelation.

... best to go by open scripture and then see how the Revelation fits in.

 

[Evmur]

We are not talking about the dead, we are talking about those alive. ALL the dead in Christ will be raised. I truly hope all who are alive and in Christ will rise too. But I see problems:

Heb. 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

I always like to look at the flip side of such verses and ask, what if someone is born again but NOT LOOKING for Him?

we do for Him but we know that day [the day of His coming] will not come unless the rebellion comes first and the man of rebellion is revealed.

 

[Evmur]

The Second Coming Is (The End) Not The Start Of A Millennial Kingdom on Earth As You Falsely Believe And Teach

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end,

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-24 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

This is a tricky one, difficult to read.

verse 25 and 26 is the correct order "He must reign till He hath put all His enemies under His feet .... the last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."

Going back to verse 23
But every man in his own order. Christ the firstfruits THEN they who are His at His coming ... wait a minute there is 2, 000 years there, between Christ's resurrection and then they who are His at His coming.

THEN [there is another gap ... 1, 000 years]

cometh the end when He shall have delivered up the Kingdom to His Father when He shall have put down all rule and power and authority ...

But YOU say there is no kingdom to give up to His Father. But He must reign until He hath put all His enemies under His feet.

So it is
1st Christ
2nd then they who are His
3rd then cometh the end

 

[Truth7t7]

This is a tricky one, difficult to read.

verse 25 and 26 is the correct order "He must reign till He hath put all His enemies under His feet .... the last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."

Going back to verse 23
But every man in his own order. Christ the firstfruits THEN they who are His at His coming ... wait a minute there is 2, 000 years there, between Christ's resurrection and then they who are His at His coming.

THEN [there is another gap ... 1, 000 years]

cometh the end when He shall have delivered up the Kingdom to His Father when He shall have put down all rule and power and authority ...

But YOU say there is no kingdom to give up to His Father. But He must reign until He hath put all His enemies under His feet.

So it is
1st Christ
2nd then they who are His
3rd then cometh the end

A Tricky One?

Only to one who desires to bend and twist the very clear words of God below, to maintain a false Zionist Millennial Kingdom on this earth, that will never take place

Yes when Jesus Christ returns, the resurrection and catching up takes place, as the mortal becomes immortal in the glorified body received, as the last enemy death is destroyed (The End)

The Second Coming Is (The End) Not The Start Of A Millennial Kingdom on Earth As You Falsely Believe And Teach

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end,

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-24 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[Evmur]

A Tricky One?

Only to one who desires to bend and twist the very clear words of God below

The Second Coming Is (The End) Not The Start Of A Millennial Kingdom on Earth As You Falsely Believe And Teach

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end,

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-24 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

... He must reign first

 

[Truth7t7]

This is a tricky one, difficult to read.

verse 25 and 26 is the correct order "He must reign till He hath put all His enemies under His feet .... the last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."

Going back to verse 23
But every man in his own order. Christ the firstfruits THEN they who are His at His coming ... wait a minute there is 2, 000 years there, between Christ's resurrection and then they who are His at His coming.

THEN [there is another gap ... 1, 000 years]

cometh the end when He shall have delivered up the Kingdom to His Father when He shall have put down all rule and power and authority ...

But YOU say there is no kingdom to give up to His Father. But He must reign until He hath put all His enemies under His feet.

So it is
1st Christ
2nd then they who are His
3rd then cometh the end

A Tricky One?

Only to one who desires to bend and twist the very clear words of God below, to maintain a false Zionist Millennial Kingdom on this earth, that will never take place (Fact)

Yes when Jesus Christ returns, the resurrection and catching up takes place, as the mortal becomes immortal in the glorified body received, as the last enemy death is destroyed (The End)

There is no 1,000 year Zionist Millennial Kingdom On This Earth Between Verses 23-24 As You "Falsely" Claim, Adding To Scripture

The Second Coming Is (The End) Not The Start Of A Millennial Kingdom on Earth As You Falsely Believe And Teach

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end,

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-24 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[peldom10]

Your claim is false, the final judgement takes place at the return of Jesus Christ

2 Timothy 4:1KJV
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Where did you obtain.....final...to insert into your conclusion?
What is the ...great white throne judgement?
At the marriage supper those granted eternal salvation will be present and are the reason FOR the marriage supper.

So what do you mean...final?

 

[Absolutely]

We's the Bride, we will not need to knock ....

Basically.....yes

 

[VCO]

The church is the Bride, she will not need to knock to gain entrance ... the maidens are the bridal attendants.

Not quite.


The N.T. ASSEMBLY and O.T. ASSEMBLY is the BRIDE.

Jesus Never USED the WORD CHRISTIAN or CHURCH. You can look that up.
Here is what HE CALLED US, and it was after the BIBLE was completed, when they Changed the Meaning of ekklêsia to include CHURCH.

QUOTE:
Greek NASB Number: 1577

Greek Word: ἐκκλησία

Transliterated Word: ekklêsia
Root: from 1537 and 2564;

Definition: an assembly, a (religious) congregation:--

New American Standard Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible.
:END QUOTE.

So Here is what JESUS CALLED US:

Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
18 `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;


He also called the O.T. ASSEMBLY His ASSEMBLY.


John 10:15-16 (ASV)
15 even as the Father knoweth me, and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have {HE said that to the last of the O.T. Assemby, about us, the N.T. Assembly}, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice: and they shall become one flock, one shepherd {At the Rapture we become ONE FLOCK.}.

Isaiah 54:5-6 (HCSB)
5 Indeed, your husband is your Maker— His name is Yahweh of Hosts— and the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer; He is called the God of all the earth.
6 For the LORD has called you, like a wife deserted and wounded in spirit, a wife of one’s youth when she is rejected,” says your God.

Isaiah 62:5 (HCSB)
5 For as a young man marries a young woman, so your sons will marry you; and as a groom rejoices over ⌊his⌋ bride, so your God will rejoice over you.

 

[Truth7t7]

Where did you obtain.....final...to insert into your conclusion?
What is the ...great white throne judgement?
At the marriage supper those granted eternal salvation will be present and are the reason FOR the marriage supper.

So what do you mean...final?

The Lord's Final Judgement Will Be By "Fire"

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[lamad]

Not quite.


The N.T. ASSEMBLY and O.T. ASSEMBLY is the BRIDE.

Jesus Never USED the WORD CHRISTIAN or CHURCH. You can look that up.
Here is what HE CALLED US, and it was after the BIBLE was completed, when they Changed the Meaning of ekklêsia to include CHURCH.

QUOTE:
Greek NASB Number: 1577

Greek Word: ἐκκλησία

Transliterated Word: ekklêsia
Root: from 1537 and 2564;

Definition: an assembly, a (religious) congregation:--

New American Standard Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible.
:END QUOTE.

So Here is what JESUS CALLED US:

Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
18 `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;


He also called the O.T. ASSEMBLY His ASSEMBLY.


John 10:15-16 (ASV)
15 even as the Father knoweth me, and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have {HE said that to the last of the O.T. Assemby, about us, the N.T. Assembly}, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice: and they shall become one flock, one shepherd {At the Rapture we become ONE FLOCK.}.

Isaiah 54:5-6 (HCSB)
5 Indeed, your husband is your Maker— His name is Yahweh of Hosts— and the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer; He is called the God of all the earth.
6 For the LORD has called you, like a wife deserted and wounded in spirit, a wife of one’s youth when she is rejected,” says your God.

Isaiah 62:5 (HCSB)
5 For as a young man marries a young woman, so your sons will marry you; and as a groom rejoices over ⌊his⌋ bride, so your God will rejoice over you.

I disagree. The rapture is only for those "in Christ" while they were living. It was impossible for the OT saints to be "in Christ" for He and not yet died for them. I believe their resurrection will come at the end of the week. We will be one flock during Marriage Supper!

I am not sure if the OT saints will be part of the Bride or just guests. Do you have a verse?

 

[lamad]

we do for Him but we know that day [the day of His coming] will not come unless the rebellion comes first and the man of rebellion is revealed.

Ah! Now you see who that verse was pointed to!

I want to ask you a question: I hope you will totally honest: Since you believe you will see the man of sin first, suppose Jesus came tonight: can you honestly say you were eagerly expecting Him - "looking for Him?"

 

[lamad]

It would be good if you could find 2 christians who can agree on the Revelation.

... best to go by open scripture and then see how the Revelation fits in.

Actually, I go by what is written. I find position in Revelation very relevant. Events written in one chapter will certainly have after events in previous chapters and before events in future chapters - except for what is inside parentheses. In other words, things in chapter 6 are before the trib and nothing in chapter 6 could be moved to chapter 11. Anyone who insists on such rearranging will be proven wrong.

 

[VCO]

I disagree. The rapture is only for those "in Christ" while they were living. It was impossible for the OT saints to be "in Christ" for He and not yet died for them. I believe their resurrection will come at the end of the week. We will be one flock during Marriage Supper!

I am not sure if the OT saints will be part of the Bride or just guests. Do you have a verse?

Now where on earth are you getting your theology from, it is not coming from the BIBLE ?


O.T. Assembly = those who believed GOD would send Messiah to pay for their sins.

N.T. Assembly = those who believed GOD did send Messiah to pay for our sins.


NOW HOW IS THAT NOT the Same Faith that Put us IN CHRIST ? ? ?

Psalm 51:11-12 (ESV)
11 Cast me not away from your presence, and take not your Holy Spirit from me.
12 Restore to me the joy of your salvation, and uphold me with a willing spirit.

Malachi 3:6 (HCSB)
6 “Because I, Yahweh, have not changed,
you descendants of Jacob have not been destroyed.


That means the SAME WAY HE SAVED PEOPLE IN THE O.T. times is the SAME WAY HE SAVES THEM NOW.

Isaiah 43:10-11 (HCSB)
10 “You are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. No god was formed before Me, and there will be none after Me.
11 I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.


Deuteronomy 30:6 (ESV)
6 And the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your offspring, so that you will love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live.


Has he not Circumcised OUR hearts, so that we will LOVE THE LORD ? ? ?


Matthew 22:37-38 (HCSB)
37 He said to him, “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.
38 This is the greatest and most important command.

Look in my last post for your answer to your question.

 

[Evmur]

Ah! Now you see who that verse was pointed to!

I want to ask you a question: I hope you will totally honest: Since you believe you will see the man of sin first, suppose Jesus came tonight: can you honestly say you were eagerly expecting Him - "looking for Him?"

I want to see the One I have been walking with these more than 40 years.

"many [said He] will be offended and fall away and brother will betray brother ... " these are they who have bought the line that the church will not go through the great persecution aka the great tribulation.

 

[Evmur]

Not quite.


The N.T. ASSEMBLY and O.T. ASSEMBLY is the BRIDE.

Jesus Never USED the WORD CHRISTIAN or CHURCH. You can look that up.
Here is what HE CALLED US, and it was after the BIBLE was completed, when they Changed the Meaning of ekklêsia to include CHURCH.

QUOTE:
Greek NASB Number: 1577

Greek Word: ἐκκλησία

Transliterated Word: ekklêsia
Root: from 1537 and 2564;

Definition: an assembly, a (religious) congregation:--

New American Standard Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible.
:END QUOTE.

So Here is what JESUS CALLED US:

Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
18 `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;


He also called the O.T. ASSEMBLY His ASSEMBLY.


John 10:15-16 (ASV)
15 even as the Father knoweth me, and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have {HE said that to the last of the O.T. Assemby, about us, the N.T. Assembly}, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice: and they shall become one flock, one shepherd {At the Rapture we become ONE FLOCK.}.

Isaiah 54:5-6 (HCSB)
5 Indeed, your husband is your Maker— His name is Yahweh of Hosts— and the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer; He is called the God of all the earth.
6 For the LORD has called you, like a wife deserted and wounded in spirit, a wife of one’s youth when she is rejected,” says your God.

Isaiah 62:5 (HCSB)
5 For as a young man marries a young woman, so your sons will marry you; and as a groom rejoices over ⌊his⌋ bride, so your God will rejoice over you.

The Church is the assembly OT and NT ... she is the church she will not need to knock to gain entrance to her wedding feast.

 

[Evmur]

The Church is the assembly OT and NT ... she is the church she will not need to knock to gain entrance to her wedding feast.

... I meant to say "she is the Bride"

Some ancient old latin texts which pre-date St Jerome's vulgate have it "at midnight the cry went up "behold the Bridegroom cometh with His bride ..."

Why did Jerome drop that? I think he saw the virgins as the church and knew that there could not be 2 churches, so he dropped the bride. That solved his problem but it altered the meaning of the parable. All translations have followed Jerome.

But whether she is mentioned or not she is still there conspicuous by her absence.

 

[oyster67]

1 Thessalonians
4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

All those that are dead in Christ shall come together with the living in Christ at the pre-trib rapture. This is the Church that will be the Bride of Christ clothed in fine white linen as described in Revelation 19.

 

[Absolutely]

You should not be so quick to agree! Did you not read? The AC does not even SHOW UP until the midpoint of the "trib." And the days of GT Jesus spoke of really don't start until late in chapter 14.

The truth is, the first half of the "trib" or 70th week is the first 6 trumpet judgments.

(I know, many people imagine the "trib" starts with the first seal. They are mistaken, pulling that seal out of its context.)

The 70th week really starts at the 7th trumpet and ends with the 7th vial.

No
The ac is the white horseman.
That scene John saw of Jesus taking the scroll is future. It will happen .
You are framing end times in the framework that it already happened.
That entire scene is future.
But that historical view has you also framing a future ac into a mid trib model.
You think the ac is not REVEALED untill he desecrates the temple.

Not so.