The Invention of Homosexuality

[SophieT]

Yeah that’s clearly the answer. Since I believe the Bible is true and that the Holy Spirit teaches us through ways we can understand using modern day analogy I must be a heretic. This is why people hate “Christians”. Forget all logic, ignore all history save OT, throw out any scientific breakthrough. If David sings a song that God stitched him together in the womb, then there you have it, the infallible word. We are stitched together in the womb. Anyone who dares speak against it is listening to demons.

you have your own thing going on and that has nothing to do with God's revealed word

you have bascially stated you have some special knowledge God has revealed to you and that so called revelation is CONTRARY to the Bible

basically, deception and you desire to spread it

thankfully, most see through it and refuse it

 

[SophieT]

The sovereign will of God is that he is the potter and we are the clay to be molded however he pleases. He's told us that more than once.

Apply that understanding with scripture and you can understand Romans 1 in context with a person who believes that we choose our own fate, or we decide what the potter does with us.

This is not speaking to unbelievers or those who perform lewd sex acts or those who refuse God

this is speaking to those who belong to God. who was God speaking to here? ISAIAH. a major prophet of the OT

further the application is directed towards reprobate Israel. it is not regarding God creating people with the inclination to be a homosexual

if your method of study is to take one verse out of context and then teach from it or believe your personal application, you will NEVER EVER come to a correct understanding

and if anyone else is using this form of study regarding Scripture, the same applies to you

 

[SophieT]

in schools that are single sex schools males form friendships with males and females with females and if they cant control themselves it will eventually become sexual. same sex realtionships are rife in schools like that.

this is just simply not true

let's see some proof of what you say. not holding my breath

 

[OrphanedRepublican]

This is not speaking to unbelievers or those who perform lewd sex acts or those who refuse God

this is speaking to those who belong to God. who was God speaking to here? ISAIAH. a major prophet of the OT

further the application is directed towards reprobate Israel. it is not regarding God creating people with the inclination to be a homosexual

if your method of study is to take one verse out of context and then teach from it or believe your personal application, you will NEVER EVER come to a correct understanding

and if anyone else is using this form of study regarding Scripture, the same applies to you

You have cited a response I made to someone else's inquiry. You should look to that for context before you try to determine what I said.

 

[SophieT]

You have cited a response I made to someone else's inquiry. You should look to that for context before you try to determine what I said.

I read several of your 'responses.' pretty sure I have it covered but if you really do not think so, then tell me what I got wrong.

 

[OrphanedRepublican]

you are not making any sense

the Bible speaks plainly and it is more than clear that absolutely nowhere does it state God created the desire for sin in the hearts of those who are homosexual or any other sin

you realize that about amounts to blasphemy? accusing God of contributing to the sin of fallen mankind?

there is no question. that is just you pulling God down to your level. but that just works in your own mind. it does not describe the holiness of God or what Romans actually states



interesting considering you appear to be totally illogical.

you are really lost in a supermarket dude

I never said God "created the desire for sin." Nowhere did I say that.

 

[OrphanedRepublican]

I read several of your 'responses.' pretty sure I have it covered but if you really do not think so, then tell me what I got wrong.

I would suggest a careful study of Romans 9, my friend.

 

[OrphanedRepublican]

What covenant is God incapable to perform?

I was reading something in Jeremiah that just slapped me in the face, so to speak.

Jeremiah 11:1 The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,

2 Hear ye the words of this covenant, and speak unto the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem;

3 And say thou unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel; Cursed be the man that obeyeth not the words of this covenant,

4 Which I commanded your fathers in the day that I brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, from the iron furnace, saying, Obey my voice, and do them, according to all which I command you: so shall ye be my people, and I will be your God:

5 That I may perform the oath which I have sworn unto your fathers, to give them a land flowing with milk and honey, as it is this day. Then answered I, and said, So be it, O LORD.

Reading that, it occurred to me, it was impossible for him to keep his covenant with us to be our God because we broke the covenant.

So, he had to do something to salvage this or else he couldn't perform his covenant all the way back as far as Abraham.

 

[kaylagrl]

I would suggest a careful study of Romans 9, my friend.

You were asked to be clear about what you meant, you weren't and people get tired of that. What did I say that you think is wrong and why? It's rude not to answer when someone asks you a direct question.

 

[SophieT]

I would suggest a careful study of Romans 9, my friend.

Actually, that is exactly what you said.

Hmm, I follow the logic and that is, "giving them over" knowing what the result will be is the same as will. He doesn't give everyone over because if he did, he couldn't perform his covenant. His will is definitely to perform his covenant despite our evil desires of our hearts.

So, then the question becomes, since all are evil, which do you "give over" and which do you save? Sounds like sovereign will of God stuff to me.

you state giving them over is the same as the will of God. quit playing these little games of yours.

the Bible states God gave them over TO THEIR OWN DESIRES. that is not the same as the will of God

you do not seem able to directly respond when people direct you to what scripture actually states. the only people that do that, are those who think everyone but them is wrong or those who see their error, but are too proud to admit it

I would suggest a good Bible study and Bible based church where you might be instructed in the TRUTH

ps. God looks on the heart. If He chooses someone, it is because their heart is right or at least open to the truth. God does not choose to give people a sinful heart. Our hearts are already sinful and only the blood of Christ can clean that sin when we repent our our sin.

 

[SophieT]

Those who are saying God is creating some to be evil are not understanding the Bible or picking verses and creating doctrine from them

The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.— 2 Peter 3:9

GOD DESIRES ALL TO BE SAVED. could not be plainer than that. will all accept Christ? well the Bible is plain on that also. no they will not but it is not God's will, nor does it give Him pleasure, that they will refuse the salvation He has made available to them

 

[Lanolin]

I absolutely agree homosexual relations are sinful and a clear abomination to God’s natural law. That isn’t the question. I understand that those apart from God are enslaved by the flesh and answer to its lustful desires be them gluttony, greed, alcoholism and every unholy sexual act. What was originally stated was how the body develops these unclean urges. Some respondents stated we are all born identically the same, and that we are not drawn to any sin based on our hardwiring and that everyone is equally susceptible to being homosexually tempted. That it’s a heads or tails choice we all make. Others stated that homosexuality was created by God to punish those who do not follow Him. All I suggested was that some people are naturally born less driven to procreate and that this was by God’s design. Then society through its propaganda takes these candidates less destined for fatherhood and warps them into thinking that unless they find some significant other and become sexually active they will never be happy. Then those who oppose God’s spoken Law and choose the flesh, God hands over to their abominable unnatural desires. This suggestion was not only rejected by all (but two) emphatically, but deemed me a heretical false prophet because I declared God revealed it to me in prayer.

Now you’re up to speed.

people who are less 'driven' does not mean they are 'homosexual'. You are confusing eunuchs with homosexuality. that isnt true at all! Besides the bible says SOME euncuchs are born that way and some are made that way. Eunuchs are like angels, they are asexual.
it has NOTHING to do with homosexuality which is something else!

 

[Hungry]

people who are less 'driven' does not mean they are 'homosexual'. You are confusing eunuchs with homosexuality. that isnt true at all! Besides the bible says SOME euncuchs are born that way and some are made that way. Eunuchs are like angels, they are asexual.
it has NOTHING to do with homosexuality which is something else!

You’re missing the point. How many people grow up to be asexual? I’m saying those who might have been “born eunuchs” as you suggest have been brainwashed into thinking they are gay.

 

[Hungry]

you have your own thing going on and that has nothing to do with God's revealed word

you have bascially stated you have some special knowledge God has revealed to you and that so called revelation is CONTRARY to the Bible

basically, deception and you desire to spread it

thankfully, most see through it and refuse it

Explain to me how you know for certain God does not use external circumstance like stress and poor nutrition to intentionally reduce testosterone in males. What makes this contrary to the Bible. Show me a verse that states God wants everyone to have a wife and children. If you can’t see that we are mammals, and God programmed us like mammals then you’re right, I have nothing to teach you.

You act as if God spelled out every little detail of biology, psychology, endocrinology and sociology in the Bible. Did God make man polygamous? Did Jesus tell men to be monogamous?

 

[SophieT]

Explain to me how you know for certain God does not use external circumstance like stress and poor nutrition to intentionally reduce testosterone in males. What makes this contrary to the Bible. Show me a verse that states God wants everyone to have a wife and children. If you can’t see that we are mammals, and God programmed us like mammals then you’re right, I have nothing to teach you.

You act as if God spelled out every little detail of biology, psychology, endocrinology and sociology in the Bible. Did God make man polygamous? Did Jesus tell men to be monogamous?

interesting. now you are even explaining what you think I mean even though I did not say it

I know I did not speak into your mind and tell you to do that

in the same manner, God did not dump into your mind or conscience this op and tell you to share it

ridiculous assumptions do not make legit questions ESPECIALLY when a person has not even suggested what you accuse them of not seeing

dude you could not possibly be more correct when you say that you have nothing to teach me

bravo. now you are getting it

 

[Hungry]

interesting. now you are even explaining what you think I mean even though I did not say it

I know I did not speak into your mind and tell you to do that

in the same manner, God did not dump into your mind or conscience this op and tell you to share it

ridiculous assumptions do not make legit questions ESPECIALLY when a person has not even suggested what you accuse them of not seeing

dude you could not possibly be more correct when you say that you have nothing to teach me

bravo. now you are getting it

Is that your way of avoiding the challenge of explaining yourself? If you have no input or logical response your accusations are weak and unfounded. If my claim is directly contrary to Scripture then show me where. The fact is you can’t. Keep making jokes. I’m sure you will get a few thumbs up from the others who say I’m emphatically wrong without proving why. Here’s some more questions for you to dodge. Do you think God answers prayers, or people just pray in vain? Do you suppose God clearly explained to you I was wrong, and if so how did He do it? It wasn’t through the Bible because I haven’t contradicted it like you insinuate.

 

[EnglishChick]

Actually, that is exactly what you said.



you state giving them over is the same as the will of God. quit playing these little games of yours.

the Bible states God gave them over TO THEIR OWN DESIRES. that is not the same as the will of God

you do not seem able to directly respond when people direct you to what scripture actually states. the only people that do that, are those who think everyone but them is wrong or those who see their error, but are too proud to admit it

I would suggest a good Bible study and Bible based church where you might be instructed in the TRUTH

ps. God looks on the heart. If He chooses someone, it is because their heart is right or at least open to the truth. God does not choose to give people a sinful heart. Our hearts are already sinful and only the blood of Christ can clean that sin when we repent our our sin.

Amen

 

[EnglishChick]

Amen

Amen

This post is spot on

 

[SophieT]

Is that your way of avoiding the challenge of explaining yourself? If you have no input or logical response your accusations are weak and unfounded. If my claim is directly contrary to Scripture then show me where. The fact is you can’t. Keep making jokes. I’m sure you will get a few thumbs up from the others who say I’m emphatically wrong without proving why. Here’s some more questions for you to dodge. Do you think God answers prayers, or people just pray in vain? Do you suppose God clearly explained to you I was wrong, and if so how did He do it? It wasn’t through the Bible because I haven’t contradicted it like you insinuate.

tsk. sounds like you either did not read my posts in which I clearly explained my thoughts on the matter and quoted direct bibical references or, you want to fight with someone and have decided that insulting people is not beneath you

in case you do not understand the summation of how I view your op, here it is again. God told you nada about homosexuality and the Bible does not agree with your thoughts on the matter.

for more detail, you may go back and reflect on my previous posts

I am far from alone in what I stated. again.

 

[SophieT]

oh

I thought pandemics and disease was up for that problem

so you are saying God put feminine men on earth to control the population. do I have that right?

waaaaaaaay out in left field IMO

totally left out the sin equation and the fact this earth is OUT of balance and will be until God puts HIS finger on the scale

I said out in left field, but truthfully, I think it's more like the op is watching too many national geo 'docs' and maybe the history channel too. reads like a really bad school term report. I give it a D-

Here is an earlier post for you

and here is another

hey Hungry ~ go read Romans 1. It will clue you in

others follow so your less than truthful insults and general all-around bad humor are wasted