The Father Of Roman Catholicism, Emperor Constatine The Great

[Truth7t7]

Christians were meeting on the 8th day, the day of the resurrection, for 300 years before Constantine was born, so..

but are you saying that building churches is evil?

Constantine used "Religion" to control his empire, he established the (State Church) where civil government ran and enforced religious decision making

Wikipedia: Constantine The Great
The reign of Constantine established a precedent for the emperor to have great influence and authority in the early Christian councils, most notably the dispute over Arianism. Constantine disliked the risks to societal stability that religious disputes and controversies brought with them, preferring to establish an orthodoxy. [237] His influence over the Church councils was to enforce doctrine, root out heresy, and uphold ecclesiastical unity; the Church's role was to determine proper worship, doctrines, and dogma.[238

 

[Truth7t7]

Christians were meeting on the 8th day, the day of the resurrection, for 300 years before Constantine was born, so..

but are you saying that building churches is evil?

Your 8th day claim is laughable

Closely note you conveniently leave out his banishment using civil authority

For you to believe Constantine was neutral in religious input and outcomes would be the ole Ostrich and Sand

Constantine paid for and built St. Peter's Basilica 319AD, he donated the lateran palace so the Popes had a place to live, he called for the Nicean Council 325AD, and he enforced religious Banishment using civil government powers, he mandated Sunday observance in his State Church and empire (Sol Invictus), just to mention a few

Constantine was leader of the Roman Catholic State Church during his time as Emperor

 

[TheIndianGirl]

Wasn't it Luther who removed 7 books from the Bible?

Yes he removed seven books from the Catholic Bible - Baruch, Judith, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Sirach, Tobit and Wisdom. He also wanted to remove Hebrews, James, Revelations, Jude because they do not fit the faith alone teaching according to him.

 

[posthuman]

Constantine used "Religion" to control his empire, he established the (State Church) where civil government ran and enforced religious decision making

Wikipedia: Constantine The Great
The reign of Constantine established a precedent for the emperor to have great influence and authority in the early Christian councils, most notably the dispute over Arianism. Constantine disliked the risks to societal stability that religious disputes and controversies brought with them, preferring to establish an orthodoxy. [237] His influence over the Church councils was to enforce doctrine, root out heresy, and uphold ecclesiastical unity; the Church's role was to determine proper worship, doctrines, and dogma.[238

o because secular historians are probably the best source of figuring out the truth about ecclesiastical matters??

lol

 

[posthuman]

Your 8th day claim is laughable

it's a very well established fact that Christians from the very beginning met on Sunday, calling it "the eighth day"

see i'm puzzled by this thread because typically here on CC, people who come out of nowhere posting Constantine-hatred have a very clear and singular agenda: sabbatarianism.

 

[posthuman]

Your 8th day claim is laughable

let me just give one example:

I will make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. For that reason, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day on which Jesus rose again from the dead.​

Barnabas 15:8-9​

written around 70AD

250 years before Constantine.

so. thus you are refuted.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Your claim is false, the Arians were from the Alexandrian schools, where Arius was a teacher

The tyre council that banished Athanasius was led by Eusebius of Caesarea, a leader in the Arian sect that Athanasius opposed, Eusebius was Constantines personal advisor, and lived in his palace, he also was a high figure in the 325AD Nicean Council

The kings who followed after the fall of the were germanic kings these kings were arian.
Athanasius was bishop of alexandria.
Alexandria came under arian rule after the fall of rome, Athanasius, was replaced by bishop George sent by the powers that be in constantinople, those powers being the germanic kings who conquered rome.

 

[Truth7t7]

Wasn't it Luther who removed 7 books from the Bible?

The books removed arent in the cannon of scripture known as the Apocrypha seen below

Canonical for the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church:[12]

• Tobit
• Judith
• Baruch
• Sirach
• 1 Maccabees
• 2 Maccabees
• Wisdom

 

[posthuman]

Your 8th day claim is laughable

you need two witnesses?

have a look at Justin Martyr's Dialogue with Trypho chapter 24
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/justinmartyr-dialoguetrypho.html

written AD 150 --- 200 years before Constantine.

you have zero argument. i could do this all day but if you need more than 2 you are not worth speaking to about it.

 

[Truth7t7]

let me just give one example:

I will make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. For that reason, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day on which Jesus rose again from the dead.​

Barnabas 15:8-9​

written around 70AD

250 years before Constantine.

so. thus you are refuted.

That citation has no reference to Gods words from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21

 

[posthuman]

That citation has no reference to Gods words from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21

look up the festival of firstfruits and the day of pentecost in the Law. look up which day the cleansed leper is declared clean. find out which day a male child is circumcised and why that work is performed even on a sabbath, and consider what circumcision is a symbol of.

if you've just started this thread to preach sabbitarianism, there's no point in me wasting any more time speaking to your deaf ears.

bye

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

let me just give one example:

I will make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. For that reason, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day on which Jesus rose again from the dead.​

Barnabas 15:8-9​

written around 70AD

250 years before Constantine.

so. thus you are refuted.

It amazes me the ignorance and the willingness to fight for that ignorance.
I didn't even want to get into the eighth day because there is no way you can convince anyone of it.
The roman empire was actually on an eight day week and a ten month year. But history has been neglected.

 

[Truth7t7]

The kings who followed after the fall of the were germanic kings these kings were arian.
Athanasius was bishop of alexandria.
Alexandria came under arian rule after the fall of rome, Athanasius, was replaced by bishop George sent by the powers that be in constantinople, those powers being the germanic kings who conquered rome.

Your claims are false, Constantine was in power until 337AD, and his son's maintained power until 361AD "Roman Emperors"

Your claim of Germanic Kings ruling in Alexandria is a farce, Arius from Alexandria was the topic of the Nicean Council in 325AD, and Athanasius was in his opposition

Athanasius was banished several times, all by "Roman Emperors"

Wikipedia:

Constantine I (Latin: Flavius Valerius Constantinus; Greek: Κωνσταντῖνος, translit. Kōnstantînos; 27 February c. 272 – 22 May 337), also known as Constantine the Great, was a Roman emperor from 306 to 337. Born in Naissus, Dacia Mediterranea (now Niš, Serbia), he was the son of Flavius Constantius, a Roman army officer born in Dardania who became one of the four emperors of the Tetrarchy.

Athanasius I of Alexandria[note 1] (c. 296–298 – 2 May 373), also called Athanasius the Great, Athanasius the Confessor or, primarily in the Coptic Orthodox Church, Athanasius the Apostolic, was the 20th bishop of Alexandria (as Athanasius I). His intermittent episcopacy spanned 45 years (c. 8 June 328 – 2 May 373), of which over 17 encompassed five exiles, when he was replaced on the order of four different Roman emperors. Athanasius was a Christian theologian, a Church Father, the chief defender of Trinitarianism against Arianism, and a noted Egyptian leader of the fourth century.

Arius (/əˈraɪəs, ˈɛəri-/; Koinē Greek: Ἄρειος, Áreios; 250 or 256–336) was a Cyrenaic presbyter and ascetic,[1] and priest in Baucalis in Alexandria, Egypt, who is most known for having been the founder of the heresy known as Arianism.

 

[posthuman]

It amazes me the ignorance and the willingness to fight for that ignorance.
I didn't even want to get into the eighth day because there is no way you can convince anyone of it.
The roman empire was actually on an eight day week and a ten month year. But history has been neglected.

i'm really grumpy lately -- i have so little patience for the same arguments already debunked long ago, and i'm so terse about them lately =\

you can pray for me over that, bro

 

[Truth7t7]

look up the festival of firstfruits and the day of pentecost in the Law. look up which day the cleansed leper is declared clean. find out which day a male child is circumcised and why that work is performed even on a sabbath, and consider what circumcision is a symbol of.

if you've just started this thread to preach sabbitarianism, there's no point in me wasting any more time speaking to your deaf ears.

bye

Didnt mean to hurt your feelings on a false claim of there being an 8th day

P.S. the thread wasn't started to discuss the Sabbath, just the foundations of Roman Catholicism

 

[Truth7t7]

you need two witnesses?

have a look at Justin Martyr's Dialogue with Trypho chapter 24
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/justinmartyr-dialoguetrypho.html

written AD 150 --- 200 years before Constantine.

you have zero argument. i could do this all day but if you need more than 2 you are not worth speaking to about it.

Dont give me a chapter to search through, copy and paste a quote, and reference your source

Next your going to say it's some where in the Bible, and give me 10 minutes to find it

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

i'm really grumpy lately -- i have so little patience for the same arguments already debunked long ago, and i'm so terse about them lately =\

you can pray for me over that, bro

I am there as well. I have thoughtany times here lately of leaving this forum. I have made no friends but have argued the same old tired argument dozens of times. I left evangelicalism because of vapid approach to scripture and a complete dumping of history, that results in the kind of constantine bashing lack of understanding the Sabbath, lack of understanding of the use of the law.

 

[surfer14]

I am there as well. I have thoughtany times here lately of leaving this forum. I have made no friends but have argued the same old tired argument dozens of times. I left evangelicalism because of vapid approach to scripture and a complete dumping of history, that results in the kind of constantine bashing lack of understanding the Sabbath, lack of understanding of the use of the law.

This forum has pretty much convinced me of the futility of sola scriptura. Everyone reads the Bible with their own interpretations. I think they're honest for the most part. Honest disagreements. But the result is that everyone has a different view of things and they wind up fighting about everything. What's the point?

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

This forum has pretty much convinced me of the futility of sola scriptura. Everyone reads the Bible with their own interpretations. I think they're honest for the most part. Honest disagreements. But the result is that everyone has a different view of things and they wind up fighting about everything. What's the point?

If they would actually just read the scripture rather than import their own ideas, I would agree with you. But mostly what I see is people who impose themselves upon the scriptures. So if only it were sola scripture.

 

[surfer14]

If they would actually just read the scripture rather than import their own ideas, I would agree with you. But mostly what I see is people who impose themselves upon the scriptures. So if only it were sola scripture.

No, you're wrong! And clearly going to hell!