The Father Of Roman Catholicism, Emperor Constatine The Great

[Blackpowderduelist]

The facts of Constantine need to be studied by all Christians, but that study needs to be about finding the way our doctrines are of Constantine instead of scripture. Some people study Constantine as being good or bad, and that is not the point. We are not to judge people but we are to judge if something is of the word of God.

Before Constantine, doctrine questions were determined by men who had been taught by Jesus, afterward doctrine was determined by councils of men. They said they were absolutely true to God's ways, not by scripture but they claimed it was the Holy Spirit that told them they could add to the word of the Lord. Scripture tells us that is not true.

Under Constantine was the rule that anything the Jews do we must not do for they are an evil people. Under scripture, gentiles did not need to follow Jewish customs, but they were told to bless them or God would curse the people who cursed them.

We need to study Constantine in light of church doctrine we have today, not in order to judge the man, Constantine.

The first council is recorded in the book of acts.
And the scripture we have, called the bible was canonized, turned into a book, at the council of nicaea.
Yes people need to study church history with out arguent here. As the whether constantine was a good man or not well that's for the record to tell. Likely not. His influence on the church is academic. The record is very clear.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

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Your claim that political power started in 755 is false, Athanasius was banished by the Arians after the 325 Nicean Council, Because he opposed them, this was carried out by Eusebius of Caesarea and enforced by Constantine

perhaps you need read the entire page concerning Athanasius and his banishment at the hands of Eusebius and Constantine

The Council of Tyre and First Exile of Athanasius, 335-337.

Select Works and Letters or Athanasius — Athanasius

Many of the bishops who were making their way to the great festival met at Tyre. The Arian element was very strong. Eusebius of Nicomedia, Narcissus, Maris, Theognis, Patrophilus, George, now bishop of Laodicea, are all familiar names. Ursacius and Valens, young [47] both in years and in mind' make their first entrance on the stage of ecclesiastical intrigue; Eusebius of Cæsarea headed a large body of conservative' malcontents: in the total number of perhaps 150, the friends of Athanasius were outnumbered by nearly two to one. (See Gwatkin's note, p.85, Hefele ii.17, Eng Tra.) Eusebius of Cæsarea took the chair (yet see D.C.B. ii.316^b). The proceedings of the Council were heated and disorderly; promiscuous accusations were flung from side to side; the president himself was charged by an excited Egyptian Confessor with having sacrificed to idols (p.104, n.2), while against Athanasius every possible charge was raked up. The principal one was that of harshness and violence. Callinicus, bishop of Pelusium, according to a later story [48] , had taken up the cause of Ischyras, and been deposed by Athanasius in consequence. A certain Mark had been appointed to supersede him, and he had been subjected to military force.

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Athanasius was Catholic, the ariana were germanic. Who took over rome after the fall germanic kings who were hostile to Catholics because they were arians.

 

[Truth7t7]

Athanasius was Catholic, the ariana were germanic. Who took over rome after the fall germanic kings who were hostile to Catholics because they were arians.

Your claim is false, the Arians were from the Alexandrian schools, where Arius was a teacher

The tyre council that banished Athanasius was led by Eusebius of Caesarea, a leader in the Arian sect that Athanasius opposed, Eusebius was Constantines personal advisor, and lived in his palace, he also was a high figure in the 325AD Nicean Council

 

[TheIndianGirl]

Constantine built a lot of churches, doesn't mean he is the founder of a religion/church. He did spread Christianity in part for political reasons, that is to unify the Roman Empire. No doubt God worked through Constantine to spread Christianity; I don't see how anyone can fail to see this. Divine power/intervention is the only possible explanation for how Rome changed from the greatest persecutor of Christianity to the greatest proponent/spreader of Christianity at that time. If not for Constantine, all of Europe would still be pagans.

 

[Truth7t7]

Constantine built a lot of churches, doesn't mean he is the founder of a religion/church. He did spread Christianity in part for political reasons, that is to unify the Roman Empire. No doubt God worked through Constantine to spread Christianity; I don't see how anyone can fail to see this. Divine power/intervention is the only possible explanation for how Rome changed from the greatest persecutor of Christianity to the greatest proponent/spreader of Christianity at that time. If not for Constantine, all of Europe would still be pagans.

Constantine used "Religion" to control his empire, he established the (State Church) where civil government ran and enforced religious decision making

Wikipedia: Constantine The Great
The reign of Constantine established a precedent for the emperor to have great influence and authority in the early Christian councils, most notably the dispute over Arianism. Constantine disliked the risks to societal stability that religious disputes and controversies brought with them, preferring to establish an orthodoxy. [237] His influence over the Church councils was to enforce doctrine, root out heresy, and uphold ecclesiastical unity; the Church's role was to determine proper worship, doctrines, and dogma.[238

 

[surfer14]

I disagree that speaking truth is a satanic purpose

Dude...Really?? That's not even close to what I said. I have trouble thinking of any example where speaking truth would be serving satan.

 

[Truth7t7]

Constantine built a lot of churches, doesn't mean he is the founder of a religion/church. He did spread Christianity in part for political reasons, that is to unify the Roman Empire. No doubt God worked through Constantine to spread Christianity; I don't see how anyone can fail to see this. Divine power/intervention is the only possible explanation for how Rome changed from the greatest persecutor of Christianity to the greatest proponent/spreader of Christianity at that time. If not for Constantine, all of Europe would still be pagans.

Another mention, Constantine invited 1800 Bishosp from his empire all expenses paid, to the 325AD Council Of Nicea, only 318 showed up, this let's you know the Church fathers opposed Constantine and his new State Church

Christianity was alive and well, before,during, and after Constantines life, he polluted the church, bring pagan practices into it, Easter, Christmas, and Sunday observance are a few mentions

 

[posthuman]

Constantine is the foundation and father of Roman Catholicism the State Church, a (Fact)

first pope ((bishop of Rome)): Linus, AD 64 ((or Peter, arguably??))
Constantine ((never a pope or a bishop or anything)): AD 272-337

so.. um..

 

[Truth7t7]

Dude...Really?? That's not even close to what I said. I have trouble thinking of any example where speaking truth would be serving satan.

Quote: Surfer14 Post# 16

What does this "information" produce? It produces animosity between Catholics and Protestants.
Who benefits from the two major sects of Christianity fighting one another? Satan.
Who is the "prince of this world"? Satan.

I mean, maybe that's really the way it happened. But I it sure is convenient for satanic purposes.

 

[Truth7t7]

first pope ((bishop of Rome)): Linus, AD 64 ((or Peter, arguably??))
Constantine ((never a pope or a bishop or anything)): AD 272-337

so.. um..

Constantine was the foundation of Roman Catholicism as we know it today

He paid for and built St. Peter's Basilica 319AD, he donated the lateran palace so the Popes had a place to live, he called for the Nicean Council 325AD, and he enforced religious Banishment using civil government powers, he mandated Sunday observance in his State Church and empire (Sol Invictus), just to mention a few

Constantine was leader of the Roman Catholic State Church during his time as Emperor

 

[surfer14]

Quote: Surfer14 Post# 16

What does this "information" produce? It produces animosity between Catholics and Protestants.
Who benefits from the two major sects of Christianity fighting one another? Satan.
Who is the "prince of this world"? Satan.

I mean, maybe that's really the way it happened. But I it sure is convenient for satanic purposes.

Yes. this is what I said. You'll notice that I did not say "speaking truth serves satan" or anything like that. I just said I'm suspicious about it because it's unverifiable and it happens to align with satan's purposes quite nicely.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes. this is what I said. You'll notice that I did not say "speaking truth serves satan" or anything like that.

Roman Catholicism is no more Christianity than Mormonism or the Jehovahs Witnesses are

Salvation within the Catholic Church is based upon works, and surrounds the sacraments of the church, another gospel and false christianity.

There is a reason why Luther coined the phrase (Faith, And Faith Alone)

 

[TheIndianGirl]

Another mention, Constantine invited 1800 Bishosp from his empire all expenses paid, to the 325AD Council Of Nicea, only 318 showed up, this let's you know the Church fathers opposed Constantine and his new State Church

This could be because they were really old and did not want to make the long journey from all corners of the empire. Where did you read these Bishops opposed Constantine?

 

[surfer14]

Roman Catholicism is no more Christianity than Mormonism or the Jehovahs Witnesses are

Salvation within the Catholic Church is based upon works, and surrounds the sacraments of the church

There is a reason why Luther coined the phrase (Faith, And Faith Alone)

It's fine for you to think that. But that doesn't give you any justification for saying that I think that speaking truth serves satan. I mean that shouldn't have even crossed your mind, let alone your keyboard.

 

[posthuman]

Constantine was leader of the Roman Catholic State Church during his time as Emperor

you sure you shouldn't be talking about Charles Martel?

Constantine didn't tell the council of Nicea what conclusions to arrive at, even tho he was the one who asked for it to be convened.

 

[TheIndianGirl]

There is a reason why Luther coined the phrase (Faith, And Faith Alone)

Luther wanted to remove some Holy Books from the Bible (Hebrews, James, Revelations, Jude). This raises some questions about Luther, no doubt, and maybe even about the Protestant movement.

 

[Truth7t7]

you sure you shouldn't be talking about Charles Martel?

Constantine didn't tell the council of Nicea what conclusions to arrive at, even tho he was the one who asked for it to be convened.

For you to believe Constantine was neutral in religious input and outcomes would be the ole Ostrich and Sand

Constantine paid for and built St. Peter's Basilica 319AD, he donated the lateran palace so the Popes had a place to live, he called for the Nicean Council 325AD, and he enforced religious Banishment using civil government powers, he mandated Sunday observance in his State Church and empire (Sol Invictus), just to mention a few

Constantine was leader of the Roman Catholic State Church during his time as Emperor

 

[posthuman]

Constantine paid for and built St. Peter's Basilica 319AD, he donated the lateran palace so the Popes had a place to live, he called for the Nicean Council 325AD, and he enforced religious Banishment using civil government powers, he mandated Sunday observance in his State Church and empire (Sol Invictus), just to mention a few

Christians were meeting on the 8th day, the day of the resurrection, for 300 years before Constantine was born, so..

but are you saying that building churches is evil?

 

[Truth7t7]

Luther wanted to remove some Holy Books from the Bible (Hebrews, James, Revelations, Jude). This raises some questions about Luther, no doubt, and maybe even about the Protestant movement.

The reformation was the greatest thing that happened to the Church, second only to the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ

 

[surfer14]

Luther wanted to remove some Holy Books from the Bible (Hebrews, James, Revelations, Jude). This raises some questions about Luther, no doubt, and maybe even about the Protestant movement.

Wasn't it Luther who removed 7 books from the Bible?