50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

[TheDivineWatermark]

The rapture occurs at the parousia, the coming of Christ, according to I Thessalonians 4 and I Corinthians 15.

According to II Thessalonians 2, 'that wicked' is destroyed at the brightness of His coming.

V.8b is indeed about the "MANIFESTATION of His coming/presence/parousia" (when "EVERY eye" shall see Him! 1Tim6:15 "SHALL SHEW [/OPENLY MANIFEST]"/Rev19:16)


But v.1 is about "[the coming/parousia of OUR Lord Jesus Christ and/even] OUR episynagoges UNTO HIM" (no one else! [see Num10:4 "but when ONE [trumpet] sounds..." (not *everyone, all over* was to "gather UNTO [Moses]"! NO!)])




[between v.8a and v.8b, there is a SPANS-OF-TIME!]

 

[DJZawada]

[QUOTE="1Tim6:15 "SHALL SHEW [/OPENLY MANIFEST]"/Rev19:16)][/QUOTE]

1Tim 6:15
ἣν καιροῖς ἰδίοις δείξει ὁ μακάριος καὶ μόνος δυνάστης ὁ βασιλεὺς τῶν βασιλευόντων καὶ κύριος τῶν κυριευόντων

the word is δεικνύω

1. to show, expose to the eyes
2. metaph.
   
   1. to give evidence or proof of a thing
   2. to show by words or teach

βασιλεύω

• to be king, to exercise kingly power, to reign
  
  1. of the governor of a province
  2. of the rule of the Messiah
  3. of the reign of Christians in the millennium (this is interpretation by scribes)

Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of Lords all the time, not just during the millenium after YOM YHWH, but now, in this very moment.

The dichotomy of this verse is evident when mistakenly used for interpreting theory.

The verse states that Jesus will manifest these things according to His will at His time as according to Revelation shown to John and what the prophets have already spoken of throughout history.

Anything else added to the scripture is assumption, opinion, theory, or allegorizing when it comes to "rapture" or any juxtaposition for that matter.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Anything else added to the scripture is assumption, opinion, theory, or allegorizing when it comes to "rapture" or any juxtaposition for that matter.

To be clear (in case you thought otherwise), I *am* showing how 1Tim6:15 compares with Rev19:16, when Jesus will "OPENLY MANIFEST" and "EVERY EYE" shall see Him (NOT "our Rapture"!)




What I'm pointing out is, that Paul, in the two chpts of 2Th (1 & 2) is telling of a SPANS-OF-TIME, in which MUCH will transpire, and that will END with His being "OPENLY MANIFEST [/HIS 'MANIFESTATION' v.8b]" before "EVERY EYE" (which is not what 2Th2:1 is speaking of , which "noun-event" pertains ONLY to "US" / "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"... caught-UP/-AWAY / SNATCHED!)

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ EDIT:

What I'm pointing out is, that Paul, in the two chpts of 2Th (1 & 2) is telling of a SPANS-OF-TIME, in which MUCH will transpire, and that will END with His being "OPENLY MANIFEST [/HIS 'MANIFESTATION' v.8b]" before "EVERY EYE" (which is not what 2Th2:1 is speaking of , which "noun-event" pertains ONLY to "US" / "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"... caught-UP/-AWAY / SNATCHED! "OUR episynagoges UNTO HIM" [TO 'the meeting [noun] of the Lord IN THE AIR'... NO ONE ELSE will be present at THAT MEETING, no matter how much thou protesteth ])

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

No, "I've got" quite a bit more.
Here is the problem with pre-trib as I see it.
1. The Bible does not teach it.
2. Pre-tribbers interpret certain passages to fit with pre-trib.
3. There are passages like I Thessalonians 1, for example, that do not fit pre-trib.
4. Other scenarios fit better.

"Here is the problem with pre-trib as I see it.

1. The Bible does not teach it." [this can be said of "post-trib" ]

"2. Pre-tribbers interpret certain passages to fit with pre-trib." [this can equally be said of "post-tribbers" (etc) ]

"3. There are passages like I Thessalonians 1, for example, that do not fit pre-trib." [I think you mean 2Th1, and I explained it's not speaking solely of a singular point-in-time; think: "ANGELS: 7 TRUMPETS and 7 VIALS [spans-of-time]"; think: "AVENGE *in quickness [noun]*" [same time-period Rev1:1/1:19c/4:1 speaks of! "things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [noun]"]; etc...]

"4. Other scenarios fit better." [I cannot think of ONE! (and I've examined them all for MANY YEARS! No one has brought forth a better argument!)]



Many people use the "made up" definition of "the day of the Lord" (for example), rather than to use its "biblical" definition.

So why would I accept pre-trib interpretations of scripture?

I can think of a few reason why you don't want to... many ppl don't.

Can you show me a passage that shows a rapture taking place before the tribulation?

Can you tell me how 2 Thessalonians 2:2 reads, as you understand it? What is the point being conveyed in v.2 ??

 

[cv5]

No, "I've got" quite a bit more.

Here is the problem with pre-trib as I see it.
1. The Bible does not teach it.
2. Pre-tribbers interpret certain passages to fit with pre-trib.
3. There are passages like I Thessalonians 1, for example, that do not fit pre-trib.
4. Other scenarios fit better.

So why would I accept pre-trib interpretations of scripture?

Can you show me a passage that shows a rapture taking place before the tribulation? Why is the coming of Christ referred to as if it were one event in scripture, but pre-tribbers have some of the verses about it applying to the pre-trib rapture and some applying to the end. The Bible refers to the parousia/coming of Christ. It does not refer to two more of them after the ascension.

What you've "got" is a mash-up of the Church, gentiles & Israel. Big mistake.
What you've also "got" is a mashup of the different phases of redemptive history.

The uniqueness of the Church cannot be overstated. It's ONE and done. Started at Pentecost ends at the Rapture.

Also, what you don't "got" is that the 70th week of Daniel is specific to Israel and is the time of Jacob's trouble....not the time of the Churches trouble. There is no prophecy of the Church going through tribulation! I think it could reasonably be stated that the gentiles being saved (tribulation saints) during this period is graciously incidental.

 

[Truth7t7]

-the one "taken" is taken away in judgment (just as in Noah's day);

--the one "left" is left on the earth, to repopulate the earth (just as in Noah's day;
Comp. Dan2:35 with Gen9:1 along with these passages... where those two verses [Dan2 & Gen9] both say, "[actively] FILL [/FILLED] the [whole] earth")

You claim is (False)

The ones left will be burned with the earth, as its dissolved by the Lords fire in Judgement at his second coming, (The End Of This World)

one taken will be with the Lord, the one left will be burned with the heavens and earth.

Matthew 13:36-40KJV
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

 

[Truth7t7]

The truth is, pre-trib IS in the bible, but do you your preconceived ideas, you can't see it. It is preached because it is in the bible, not because of fear.

God has an ESCAPE planned. People can chose to take it or ignore it.

Post your claims of a pre-trib rapture in scripture, I will start with the (Two) most popular false claims

The main scripture used by supporters of the (Pre-Trib Rapture) is 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, this is nothing more than the (Second Coming) (Last Day) resurrection, not a Pre-Trib rapture.

1. Is a resurrection of the believer seen in 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, 100% yes!

2. Does this resurrection take place on the (Last Day) as Jesus Christ taught below in John 6:39-40, 100% yes!

3. Is the (Last Day) the time of final judgement as Jesus Christ taught in John 12:48 below, 100% yes!

Many deny the truth of Gods words below, that are simple, clear, and very easy to understand.

(THE SECOND COMING, LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17KJV
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

(THE LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

(THE LAST DAY JUDGEMENT)

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[Truth7t7]

The truth is, pre-trib IS in the bible, but do you your preconceived ideas, you can't see it. It is preached because it is in the bible, not because of fear.

God has an ESCAPE planned. People can chose to take it or ignore it.

Post your claims of a pre-trib rapture in scripture, I will start with the (Two) most popular false claims

As God's word "Clearly Teaches" below, Jesus Christ returns (Then Cometh The End) Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory, The Eternal Glorified Body Is Received, At This Last Day Resurrection And Changing

Will You Rebel Against The Clear Words Of God?

1 Corinthians 15:51-54 below Is The End, Not A Pre-Trib Rapture As Many "Falsely Teach"

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-24 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

You claim is (False)

The ones left will be burned with the earth, as its dissolved by the Lords fire in Judgement at his second coming, (The End Of This World)

one taken will be with the Lord, the one left will be burned with the heavens and earth.

Matthew 13:36-40KJV
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

The text states, "the harvest is the end OF THE AGE" (not "end of the WORLD"). Their LATER Q of Him in Matt24:3 was BASED ON what He had ALREADY spoken to them about in Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50 re: "the end [singular] of the age [singular]"... which they had already just been told by Jesus regarding what will FOLLOW that, which is "the age [SINGULAR] to come"...

Now, this ^ is NOT the phrase "the ages [PLURAL] of the ages [PLURAL]," what we call "eternity / eternal state / forever" (as it used elsewhere)...

Instead, He was speaking of "the end [singular] of the age [singular]"... the "age" they were standing in and speaking out from (which will CONCLUDE with the far-future [from their perspective] Trib yrs, ending upon His "RETURN" to the earth [see also Lk12:36 again ]; "the age [SINGULAR] to come" follows that point in time... where Rev19:15b also says, "and He SHALL [future tense] shepherd / rule them [/the nations] with a rod/sceptre of iron [righteousness and strength; see also Heb1:8, etc]"... that is, "FUTURE" even to that point in time )

 

[cv5]

You claim is (False)

The ones left will be burned with the earth, as its dissolved by the Lords fire in Judgement at his second coming, (The End Of This World)

one taken will be with the Lord, the one left will be burned with the heavens and earth.

Matthew 13:36-40KJV
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

Compare and contrast the Church and Israel, if in fact you comprehend the difference at all.

 

[Truth7t7]

The text states, "the harvest is the end OF THE AGE" (not "end of the WORLD"). Their LATER Q of Him in Matt24:3 was BASED ON what He had ALREADY spoken to them about in Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50 re: "the end [singular] of the age [singular]"... which they had already just been told by Jesus regarding what will FOLLOW that, which is "the age [SINGULAR] to come"...

Now, this ^ is NOT the phrase "the ages [PLURAL] of the ages [PLURAL]," what we call "eternity / eternal state / forever" (as it used elsewhere)...

Instead, He was speaking of "the end [singular] of the age [singular]"... the "age" they were standing in and speaking out from (which will CONCLUDE with the far-future [from their perspective] Trib yrs, ending upon His "RETURN" to the earth [see also Lk12:36 again ]; "the age [SINGULAR] to come" follows that point in time... where Rev19:15b also says, "and He SHALL [future tense] shepherd / rule them [/the nations] with a rod/sceptre of iron [righteousness and strength; see also Heb1:8, etc]"... that is, "FUTURE" even to that point in time )

Matthew 13:39-40KJV
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

(The End Of This World)

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Truth7t7]

Compare and contrast the Church and Israel, if in fact you comprehend the difference at all.

There is no contrast, your either saved and sealed by the Holy Spirit (Church) going to the eternal New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem

Or your not saved and sealed, and will be destined to the Lake Of Fire with the wicked

God has one covenant with man, the shed blood upon Calvary, salvation, period

 

[cv5]

What you've "got" is a mash-up of the Church, gentiles & Israel. Big mistake.
What you've also "got" is a mashup of the different phases of redemptive history.

The uniqueness of the Church cannot be overstated. It's ONE and done. Started at Pentecost ends at the Rapture.

Also, what you don't "got" is that the 70th week of Daniel is specific to Israel and is the time of Jacob's trouble....not the time of the Churches trouble. There is no prophecy of the Church going through tribulation! I think it could reasonably be stated that the gentiles being saved (tribulation saints) during this period is graciously incidental.

In fact there is no singular statement anywhere in Scripture indicating that the Church is going to go through tribulation/wrath. In fact Scripture states the contrary time and time and time again.

 

[cv5]

There is no contrast, your either saved and sealed by the Holy Spirit (Church) going to the eternal New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem

Or your not saved and sealed, and will be destined to the Lake Of Fire with the wicked

God has one covenant with man, the shed blood upon Calvary, salvation, period

That's what I thought you were going to say.

If you're interested in correcting your grievous, stupefying, profound error, start at Genesis 1, and get back to me after you finish to Malachi 4.....

 

[Truth7t7]

What you've "got" is a mash-up of the Church, gentiles & Israel. Big mistake.
What you've also "got" is a mashup of the different phases of redemptive history.

The uniqueness of the Church cannot be overstated. It's ONE and done. Started at Pentecost ends at the Rapture.

Also, what you don't "got" is that the 70th week of Daniel is specific to Israel and is the time of Jacob's trouble....not the time of the Churches trouble. There is no prophecy of the Church going through tribulation! I think it could reasonably be stated that the gentiles being saved (tribulation saints) during this period is graciously incidental.

The Church will be present on earth to witness the great tribulation, and be eyewitnesses of the Second Coming

Luke 21:25-28KJV
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[Truth7t7]

In fact there is no singular statement anywhere in Scripture indicating that the Church is going to go through tribulation/wrath. In fact Scripture states the contrary time and time and time again.

The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees

All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

It Was Commanded, Only Those Without God's Seal, The Sealed Church Is Protected

Revelation 9:3-6KJV
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

of the Church, gentiles & Israel.

Right. "...Jews,... Gentiles, and the Church of God". Each can be traced out, in Scripture...


--Jews [both "saved" and "unsaved"]

--Gentiles [both "saved" and "unsaved"]

--the Church of God [made up of only "saved"; "The Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"... made up of both Jews and Gentiles, but considered NEITHER in our standing before God "IN CHRIST"]

 

[cv5]

The text states, "the harvest is the end OF THE AGE" (not "end of the WORLD"). Their LATER Q of Him in Matt24:3 was BASED ON what He had ALREADY spoken to them about in Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50 re: "the end [singular] of the age [singular]"... which they had already just been told by Jesus regarding what will FOLLOW that, which is "the age [SINGULAR] to come"...

Now, this ^ is NOT the phrase "the ages [PLURAL] of the ages [PLURAL]," what we call "eternity / eternal state / forever" (as it used elsewhere)...

Instead, He was speaking of "the end [singular] of the age [singular]"... the "age" they were standing in and speaking out from (which will CONCLUDE with the far-future [from their perspective] Trib yrs, ending upon His "RETURN" to the earth [see also Lk12:36 again ]; "the age [SINGULAR] to come" follows that point in time... where Rev19:15b also says, "and He SHALL [future tense] shepherd / rule them [/the nations] with a rod/sceptre of iron [righteousness and strength; see also Heb1:8, etc]"... that is, "FUTURE" even to that point in time )

It is inconceivable to me that anyone could misapprehend what you are saying here. I mean it just can't get more obvious than that...

 

[Runningman]

The text states, "the harvest is the end OF THE AGE" (not "end of the WORLD"). Their LATER Q of Him in Matt24:3 was BASED ON what He had ALREADY spoken to them about in Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50 re: "the end [singular] of the age [singular]"... which they had already just been told by Jesus regarding what will FOLLOW that, which is "the age [SINGULAR] to come"...

Now, this ^ is NOT the phrase "the ages [PLURAL] of the ages [PLURAL]," what we call "eternity / eternal state / forever" (as it used elsewhere)...

Instead, He was speaking of "the end [singular] of the age [singular]"... the "age" they were standing in and speaking out from (which will CONCLUDE with the far-future [from their perspective] Trib yrs, ending upon His "RETURN" to the earth [see also Lk12:36 again ]; "the age [SINGULAR] to come" follows that point in time... where Rev19:15b also says, "and He SHALL [future tense] shepherd / rule them [/the nations] with a rod/sceptre of iron [righteousness and strength; see also Heb1:8, etc]"... that is, "FUTURE" even to that point in time )

They asked Jesus about the end of the world (Matthew 24:3) and He answered that question. Some of the things He said did harken back to points made previously, but the context of what Jesus says involves the signs of His coming and the end of the world. It's indisputable.