How to be Born Again

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
B

brightfame52

Well-known member
#581
Nov 21, 2020
6,484
597
113
#581
throughfaith said:
And yet the bible is literally filled with unregenerated people believing God . So it must mean your interpretation is wrong . If it said unregenerated people cannot believe the Gospel unless they are regenerated first you would have a point . Your adding the extra bit into ' cannot please God ,therefore must mean they can't believe God also .
Click to expand...
Thats not true ! This is True Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Believing/Faith pleases God, so they who are in the flesh cannot believe/have Faith in God.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#582
#582
brightfame52 said:
No thats right. One has to be regenerated by the Spirit before they can produce Faith, because they which are in the flesh cannot please God Rom 8:8
Click to expand...
If that’s what you think

I can’t believe god will raise a person in sin before sin is redeemed
no one can please god until they are saved. Rom 8 does not support you
 
T

throughfaith

Well-known member
#584
Aug 4, 2020
10,467
1,593
113
#584
brightfame52 said:
If God pronounce men Just, they lived by Faith Hab 2:4

Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

Man naturally cant please God by living by Faith
Click to expand...
HIS faith .HIS !!
 
T

throughfaith

Well-known member
#585
Aug 4, 2020
10,467
1,593
113
#585
brightfame52 said:
Nowhere is it stated that Acts 2 is the start of regeneration, new birth. Men lived by Faith in the OT, Faith is the Fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22, not of the flesh, hence they which are in the flesh [ the unregenerate] cannot please God.
Click to expand...
HIS !!! Faith in the OT . HIS !!
 
T

throughfaith

Well-known member
#586
Aug 4, 2020
10,467
1,593
113
#586
brightfame52 said:
Thats not true ! This is True Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Believing/Faith pleases God, so they who are in the flesh cannot believe/have Faith in God.
Click to expand...
lol look how your adding to the text ? ' Cannot believe ' . Stop adding to the text .
 
T

throughfaith

Well-known member
#587
Aug 4, 2020
10,467
1,593
113
#587
brightfame52 said:
Thats not true ! This is True Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Believing/Faith pleases God, so they who are in the flesh cannot believe/have Faith in God.
Click to expand...
After a person is saved. Then they please God. In the flesh , God is not pleased by a person in the flesh . When they believe ( faith comes by hearing) then God is pleased . 1 cor 1.21
21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it PLEASED God by the foolishness of preaching to save THEM THAT BELIEVE . It does not say ' he causes belief in those he saves '.
 
T

throughfaith

Well-known member
#588
Aug 4, 2020
10,467
1,593
113
#588
brightfame52 said:
Thats not true ! This is True Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Believing/Faith pleases God, so they who are in the flesh cannot believe/have Faith in God.
Click to expand...
This is classic calvinist thinking. Your literally taught this method and think its perfectly acceptable to infer all the time . Do you think God is pleased when a believer behaves carnally ( fleshy ) ?
 
T

throughfaith

Well-known member
#589
Aug 4, 2020
10,467
1,593
113
#589
brightfame52 said:
Thats not true ! This is True Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Believing/Faith pleases God, so they who are in the flesh cannot believe/have Faith in God.
Click to expand...
Abraham was never regenerated. Did he obey God? If you believe he was regenerated ( born again) which verse ?
 
T

throughfaith

Well-known member
#590
Aug 4, 2020
10,467
1,593
113
#590
brightfame52 said:
Thats not true ! This is True Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Believing/Faith pleases God, so they who are in the flesh cannot believe/have Faith in God.
Click to expand...
when it comes to pleasing God, a man has to exercise faith in what God told him to do (Heb. 11:6). In this dispensation, God told men to believe on Jesus Christ for salvation (John 6:29). So simple .
 
B

brightfame52

Well-known member
#591
Nov 21, 2020
6,484
597
113
#591
throughfaith said:
This is classic calvinist thinking. Your literally taught this method and think its perfectly acceptable to infer all the time . Do you think God is pleased when a believer behaves carnally ( fleshy ) ?
Click to expand...
Its biblical thinking !
 
B

brightfame52

Well-known member
#592
Nov 21, 2020
6,484
597
113
#592
throughfaith said:
After a person is saved. Then they please God. In the flesh , God is not pleased by a person in the flesh . When they believe ( faith comes by hearing) then God is pleased . 1 cor 1.21
21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it PLEASED God by the foolishness of preaching to save THEM THAT BELIEVE . It does not say ' he causes belief in those he saves '.
Click to expand...
A person in the flesh is a lost unregenerate, they cant please God, in fact they are totally spiritually dead to God.
 
B

brightfame52

Well-known member
#594
Nov 21, 2020
6,484
597
113
#594
throughfaith said:
when it comes to pleasing God, a man has to exercise faith in what God told him to do (Heb. 11:6). In this dispensation, God told men to believe on Jesus Christ for salvation (John 6:29). So simple .
Click to expand...
The unregenerate in the flesh cannot please God or exercise Faith Rom 8:8
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#595
#595
brightfame52 said:
Yes he was regenerated, where do you read he wasnt ?
Click to expand...
He is a dual gospel person. He rejects that all people of all times have been justified by faith.
 
T

throughfaith

Well-known member
#598
Aug 4, 2020
10,467
1,593
113
#598
brightfame52 said:
A person in the flesh is a lost unregenerate, they cant please God, in fact they are totally spiritually dead to God.
Click to expand...
I'm taking about ' regeneration precedes faith ' This is your faulty assumption. Where is the verse ? Where is the verse that says repentence is withheld?
 
B

brightfame52

Well-known member
#599
Nov 21, 2020
6,484
597
113
#599
throughfaith said:
I'm taking about ' regeneration precedes faith ' This is your faulty assumption. Where is the verse ? Where is the verse that says repentence is withheld?
Click to expand...
Yes regeneration is before Faith, Faith pleases God which the unregenerate cant do since they are in the flesh. If you cant accept that, no other scriptures can clear it up for you.
 
T

throughfaith

Well-known member
#600
Aug 4, 2020
10,467
1,593
113
#600
brightfame52 said:
Yes regeneration is before Faith, Faith pleases God which the unregenerate cant do since they are in the flesh. If you cant accept that, no other scriptures can clear it up for you.
Click to expand...
I only want to believe what the bible actually says . This is the gulf between bible believers and Calvinists.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.