Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??
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You continue to rebel against the very clear words of God below.
A Woman Can't Be A Bishop/Pastor/Deacon, Read It Again And Again In Your Rebellion
1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Okie Doke. Well, if I am free in Christ, there is no way that I find anything within me that gives me the right to Lord myself over my wife. Rather, the Bible tells men to uphold their wives, to treat them better than they would of themselves, to consider them as more important than themselves. Men are to ensure that their wives and children meet their every reasonable wish, goal, and dream. Women are to be cherished and admired by their husbands.
I can't imagine ever feeling anything other than equal with my wife . . . or any other woman on earth.
also understand something Truth7t, when the apostle was making this statement, he was not speaking to "WOMEN/WIVES in the church, but to their HUSBANDS, so let put the spotlight here it suppose to be. it was the failing of MEN/HUSBAND slacking in their duties at home which caused this section of Letter to be wretten.
so if anything, we need to understand the failing of men/HUSBANDS in their roles at home.
PICJAG, 101G.
so if anything, we need to understand the failing of men/HUSBANDS in their roles at home, first before we come to the house of God.
PICJAG, 101G.
so if anything, we need to understand the failing of men/HUSBANDS in their roles at home.
PICJAG, 101G.
understand something Truth7t, when the apostle was making this statement, he was not speaking to "WOMEN/WIVES in the church at all, but to their HUSBANDS, so let put the spotlight where it suppose to be. it was the failing of MEN/HUSBAND slacking in their duties at home which caused this section of Letter to be written.You continue to rebel against the very clear words of God below.
A Woman Cant Be A Bishop/Pastor/Deacon, Read It Again And Again In Your Rebellion
1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
so if anything, we need to understand the failing of men/HUSBANDS in their roles at home, first before we come to the house of God.
well prove that in the the scripture, 1 Corinthians 12:8 "For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;", is this not the Pastoral "GIFT?"
PICJAG, 101G.
Your response is a beautiful poem, but the fact remains, women are to be silent in the church, and subjected to learning from their husbands at home
And yes, the man is the authority in the home and church, not the woman over the man, she listened to the serpent, and bit the forbidden fruit, and it hasn't been the same since.
1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
agreed, because a loving "wife" standing at her husband side, AS ONE, are invincible couple, meaning, there is nothing they cannot do in the "Lord". there is noting better than a husband and wife team on one accord.
we saw it in Acts 18:24 "And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus."
Acts 18:25 "This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John."
Acts 18:26 "And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly." BINGO.
what a husband and wife team..... in the LORD, amen Hats off to all wives, who are one with their husbands, not only in marriage, but in mind in the Lord, Philippians 2:5 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:"
and my hat goes off to all the women who are not married, but have the MIND of Christ/God... Go Girls... (smile).
be blessed,
PICJAG, 101G.
I hear you.
The body is for the Lord and the Lord is for the body. Gender makes no difference at all. Christ issues four basic sets of Work and they are independent of gender.
1. Grants the ability to Repent.
2. Circumcises the Heart of the Sinful Nature.
3. Death on the Cross pays the penalty for sin.
4. Sends the Promised, never leaving Holy Spirit.
Those four things are what we need to know and focus on . . . not whether or not a woman should speak in a church. First and foremost . . . the "church" of today would do well to learn of what the Gospel actually is.
1 Corinthians 6:13 NKJV - "Foods for the stomach and the stomach for foods, but God will destroy both it and them. Now the body [is] not for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body."
Interesting! I wonder if we talked to your wife, if she would agree? And if she did agree, would it be out of fear of losing you or her salvation?
Wow I'm shocked at the tone of your reply. To impugn the marital relationship in this fashion is way out of bounds and far from what I would have expected from you.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
as being in the BODY of Christ myself, I see no difference in a Man's mind, and a woman mind, did not God create all minds. as said, it's not about us but Christ Jesus who work through us. it is his gifts that do the work, not me or any other on own won "POWER", or "ABILITY"
no, just for argument sake, the woman mind and mouth can speak just as good as a man's mind and mouth, because it's the Lord Jesus who is speaking and we all should have the MIND of CHRIST.
now I know, we as men are block heads, at times, yes we are... (smile), no harm to anyone. but women are the cement that holds us together.
and sometimes, (before I say this, I'm not cussing... again, I'm not cussing), sometimes it takes an ass to save a man, meaning the "the male" as in mankind, as was with Balaam, and it was a "she" ass that saved him. sometimes God uses an ass to save a stubborn man bent on destruction, well sometimes it's by the mouth of an "ASS" saves. ... and it could be a "SHE" mouth that God uses.
PICJAG,101G
no, just for argument sake, the woman mind and mouth can speak just as good as a man's mind and mouth, because it's the Lord Jesus who is speaking and we all should have the MIND of CHRIST.
now I know, we as men are block heads, at times, yes we are... (smile), no harm to anyone. but women are the cement that holds us together.
and sometimes, (before I say this, I'm not cussing... again, I'm not cussing), sometimes it takes an ass to save a man, meaning the "the male" as in mankind, as was with Balaam, and it was a "she" ass that saved him. sometimes God uses an ass to save a stubborn man bent on destruction, well sometimes it's by the mouth of an "ASS" saves. ... and it could be a "SHE" mouth that God uses.
PICJAG,101G
No I will not think on it. It's up to you to rephrase your question if you want me to respond.
I guess that freedom in Christ is reserved for the guys.
I would like to look again at a preacher who preached Christ when he was a baby, the prophetess Anna. Luke 2:36 "And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;"
Luke 2:37 "And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day."
Luke 2:38 "And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem."
here the word, "Spake" is the Greek word,
G2980 λαλέω laleo (lal-ye'-ō) v.
to talk, i.e. speak words.
[a prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb]
KJV: preach, say, speak (after), talk, tell, utter
as one can see this word by the KJV can be translated as "PREACH", and prophets do PREACH.
the bible is full of women preachers. and prophets are ORDAINED in God CHURCH.
PICJAG, 101|G.
Luke 2:37 "And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day."
Luke 2:38 "And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem."
here the word, "Spake" is the Greek word,
G2980 λαλέω laleo (lal-ye'-ō) v.
to talk, i.e. speak words.
[a prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb]
KJV: preach, say, speak (after), talk, tell, utter
as one can see this word by the KJV can be translated as "PREACH", and prophets do PREACH.
the bible is full of women preachers. and prophets are ORDAINED in God CHURCH.
PICJAG, 101|G.
Did you miss the part where I said that both parties agreed?
And just to let you know I'm one of those Christians who believes that willing (not out of fear but of love) obedience from the heart is THE indicator of true regenerative salvation. In fact it is the basis of the new birth. Yes it is imperfect and yes they can actually be gaps. But the redeemed heart yearns for obedience.
Jer 31:33
“But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Matt 28:
“teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.
Obedience.....
Rom 6:16
2Co 7:15
1Pe 1:2
The injunction is limited to meetings of the whole assembly (which include men). So "just not in church" is absolutely correct, and only because God has commanded it,
Women are totally free to share the Gospel with other women and with children privately, and mature Christian women are in fact instructed to teach the younger or less mature women. So there is a wide open field for those who wish to obey God.
It is primarily rebellion that drives women to replace men. And even in the secular world, when women are given responsible positions, they usually abuse them, and even oppress other women.
It's not a question of equality. It's a matter of obedience to the command of Christ and the order He has handed to the Church so disseminated by the Apostles. And these orders handed down are that there shall be no women pastors, and that women shall not have authority over the man.
some of the comment are intresting, but are we not speaking of Holy Ghost filled men and Women of God?
PICJAG, 101G
PICJAG, 101G
Your catching on,scripture clearly teaches a woman is to be silent in the churc,and notusurp authority over the man
A Bishop/Pastor/Deacon is to be a man,the husband of one wife, ruling his house well
Jesus Chose men as apostles not apostles,pretty simple,
God is in the masculine, Jesus was a man, the apostledwere men,church Bishops/Deacons are men
It's a bad day for the liberals and a womans rights and equality, when it comes to church order and leadership
thanks for the reply, but I must disagree. a pastor is a Gift of God, and it's for men and women. the obedance come in at ... unto the Lord.
I would like to ask one thing, "What are men scared of if a woman tells you something to do to save your LIFE?".
PICJAG, 101G