The passover lamb saves only the first born son

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Pilgrimshope

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have you Noticed how God always chose the second born son over the first ?

Abel over Cain , Isaac over ishmael , Jacob over esau ?

In Judaism it’s always the first born son who gets the largest blessing and inheritance . yet God always chose the second born son to bless by his own promises.

esau didn’t receive the blessing but Jacob , because God had chose him beforehand

Ishmael didn’t receive the blessing but Isaac .
 

Subhumanoidal

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have you Noticed how God always chose the second born son over the first ?

Abel over Cain , Isaac over ishmael , Jacob over esau ?

In Judaism it’s always the first born son who gets the largest blessing and inheritance . yet God always chose the second born son to bless by his own promises.

esau didn’t receive the blessing but Jacob , because God had chose him beforehand

Ishmael didn’t receive the blessing but Isaac .
Well Cain was petty, insecure, dishonest, self serving, needy... and murderous.
And Ishmael was a result of not trusting God, nor was he the one intended for the promise. It was man's lack of faith and interference that put the "first son" there. The original goal was always to choose the son God granted.
Should God have chosen to bless those two? A murderer and a child created from a lack of faith, in adultery that He never intended to bless to begin with, because his creation was not what God had planned?
It seems to me it was more about humanities interference with God's plan putting God in a position to choose the second, rather than his intention.
 

john832

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Is there a point of discussion?
Sure is, most are keeping Ishtar instead of the Feast Day Paul said to keep...

1Co 11:23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread;
1Co 11:24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me."
1Co 11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

Luk 22:14 When the hour had come, He sat down, and the twelve apostles with Him.
Luk 22:15 Then He said to them, "With fervent desire I have desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer;
Luk 22:16 for I say to you, I will no longer eat of it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God."
Luk 22:17 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, "Take this and divide it among yourselves;
Luk 22:18 for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes."
Luk 22:19 And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me."
Luk 22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.
 

john832

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When you get saved by the blood of Christ you are born again and become a son of God.
Not what Paul said...

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

Take the hatpin test and see if you are flesh..You must be born again by a resurrection from the dead.
 

John146

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Not what Paul said...

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

Take the hatpin test and see if you are flesh..You must be born again by a resurrection from the dead.
That verse is referring to our bodies. Our bodies are corrupt because of the blood. Our resurrected bodies will have flesh and bone but no blood like the resurrected body of Jesus.
 

throughfaith

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Not what Paul said...

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

Take the hatpin test and see if you are flesh..You must be born again by a resurrection from the dead.
Colossians 2:12

“Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”
 

Pilgrimshope

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Well Cain was petty, insecure, dishonest, self serving, needy... and murderous.
And Ishmael was a result of not trusting God, nor was he the one intended for the promise. It was man's lack of faith and interference that put the "first son" there. The original goal was always to choose the son God granted.
Should God have chosen to bless those two? A murderer and a child created from a lack of faith, in adultery that He never intended to bless to begin with, because his creation was not what God had planned?
It seems to me it was more about humanities interference with God's plan putting God in a position to choose the second, rather than his intention.
yes I was thinking along the same lines . It seems like man always fails first , and then God answers thier needs if they will repent and believe

God said before they were born “ Jacob he loved but esau he hated “

esau had taken his birth rite and sold it to Jacob when they were younger because he was hungry and wanted a bowl of jacobs delicious stew . Gid had foreseen what esau was in his heart beforehand so Jacob being the second born was the chosen one even though his mother led him to deceive Isaac concerning the blessing

I was thinking with God it’s not so much the first thing that comes but often the second is the chosen and blessed one concerning the covenants
 

Journeyman

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for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn. Jer.31:9
 
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We usually complain about a wall of text and no paragraphs... but in this case we should mention full sentences.
 

Journeyman

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Here are some full sentences,

And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Gen.32:28

He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David and he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Lk.1:31-31

When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt. Hos.11:1

When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt and was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son. Mt.2:14-15
 

oyster67

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The passover lamb saves only the first born son

The firstborn was the one who needed salvation. Today, all men need salvation. All men need to come under the Blood of the Lamb of God.
 

Magenta

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Jesus is our Passover Lamb. Any who believe by grace through faith in His shed
righteous blood for the remission/forgiveness of their sin/s attains to life ever after.


Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!