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eternally-gratefull

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Guojing said:
The OT saints are placed in Abraham's bosom because they belong to the nation Israel all the way to when they fell asleep, they were not cut off from the Covenant.
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As you say to me where is this in scripture!
 
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Guojing said:
You seem to think righteousness and justification meant the same thing? James might disagree in his chapter 2.
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Actually they do, they both come from the same Greek word, to be justified by defenition is to be declaired righteous, or innocent of wrong doing,
 
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OIC1965 said:
But by whose righteousness were they justified?
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I don't know how to answer in a way that you understand.

You seem to be 100% sure it is also Christ imputed righteousness. If so, please use scripture.
 
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Guojing said:
If that is truly the case, then Peter would not have said that about David in the Acts 2 passages that I have quoted.

You are making an inference from scripture.
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Peter said David’s BODY was in the tomb, right?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Guojing said:
If that is truly the case, then Peter would not have said that about David in the Acts 2 passages that I have quoted.

You are making an inference from scripture.
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Actually yeah he could, his body was still in the ground just like my mothers body is still in the ground, and will be until they are ressurected
 
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OIC1965 said:
Peter said David’s BODY was in the tomb, right?
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that is your inference. For mine, I believe our true identity is our spirit, not our body.

So when Peter said David has not ascended to heaven, he was referring to his spirit.
 
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Guojing said:
I don't know how to answer in a way that you understand.

You seem to be 100% sure it is also Christ imputed righteousness. If so, please use scripture.
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If it’s not christs who was it?

how many times do I have to ask you this?
 
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OIC1965 said:
It cannot be their own righteousness, because our righteousnesses are filthy rags, and even at our best we miss the Mark completely, utterly, and hopelessly.
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You mix application.
Prior to repentance, baptism that is true....not after born again...righteousness is our goal.
 
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Guojing said:
that is your inference. For mine, I believe our true identity is our spirit, not our body.

So when Peter said David has not ascended to heaven, he was referring to his spirit.
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Your body will still be ressurected
 
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peldom10 said:
You mix application.
Prior to repentance, baptism that is true....not after born again...righteousness is our goal.
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you Can be as righteous as you can possibly be, you will still fall short.

if you keep the whole law yet stumble in one point, your guilty

Our goal is to be saved by God, then allow God to sanctify us while on earth, and glorify us in heaven
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Yep. Luke 23, a man who died post death of christ went to paradise, just like every one of us will when we die.

it did not prove your point about only Jews, or only those prety death
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This is yet another example why I don't consider you as a dispensationalist.

The mystery that was revealed to Paul in the body of Christ, was not revealed by Christ in the 4 gospels. A true dispensationalist would have recognized that.

So Jesus was only referring to Israel and Jews in that passage.

But we can agree to disagree here.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Guojing said:
This is yet another example why I don't consider you as a dispensationalist.

The mystery that was revealed to Paul in the body of Christ, was not revealed by Christ in the 4 gospels. A true dispensationalist would have recognized that.

So Jesus was only referring to Israel and Jews in that passage.

But we can agree to disagree here.
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You the one who is not a true dispensationalist

dispensationalism is not about different ways to heaven, that’s a perverted cue, and gives mainstream dispensationalism a bad name, it’s an insult to us
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
You the one who is not a true dispensationalist

dispensationalism is not about different ways to heaven, that’s a perverted cue, and gives mainstream dispensationalism a bad name, it’s an insult to us
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I have once asked you this, "Who else that interacted with you in this forum, would also deemed you as a dispensationalist"? ;)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Guojing said:
I have once asked you this, "Who else that interacted with you in this forum, would also deemed you as a dispensationalist"? ;)
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Actually you and john are the only two dual gospel dispensationalist I have ever met, maybe the anti calvin hater is one too?

and remember imhave been a dispensationalist since I was a teen, I am 55 now and have been members of many churches around the states (retired military) and you are the only two (3) I have ver met,

neither Darby or scofield, who many claim are the father of dispensational thinking, believed the way you do, even though they are accused of it. The accusations are false,
 
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