Poll: Do "One Taken/Other Left" Verses Refer To Secret Rapture or Second Coming?

[Absolutely]

the one Taken/left has 50/50 taken/ left.

Just a few sentences later the 10 virgins parable also has 50/50 taken/left ( thecrapture)

it’s a reference specifically to the last generation of mankind who are alive when Christ returns in the end. The believers will be taken here when Jesus returns

“Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:17‬ ‭

of course in the two thousand years since he was taken to heaven, a lot of Christians have passed away and won’t be alive on earth on that day

If we look at the whole section of what Jesus is talking about he’s talking about a day of sudden destruction like Noah’s day , like lots day comparing it to his second coming

“And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

(then he’s telling us some will be saved on that day from this sudden destruction and some will be left to suffer it )

...I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭17:26-31, 33-

Believers who are alive on that day will be caught up to meet the lord in the sky together with all their lost loved ones who believed

And sadly non believers in that day will be left to this

“And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭1:7-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s a sudden event for those who are on earth alive at that time like Noah’s day life was going on and the. Came the floods . In sodom and Gomorrah life was just as usual and then sudden destruction came

but In both instances God saved people who listened to his word and took his warning and believed and so moved in faith and were saved .

it’s the same now whoever will believe the gospel will be saved even if they are alive on that day of destruction to come

I believe it is a reference to the day of christs return from heaven to do unleash his wrath upon creation and those taken are those caught up with the lord in the air and those who don’t actually die , but are changed in a twinkling of an eye

“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:

for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,

and we shall be changed.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:51-52‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul was expecting his return any day as they all were and we should be but when the ones are taken that day they will be instantly translated when they are caught up in the air

No
The bible says all take the mark....ALL
There is no church present in the great trib.
THE INNUMERABLE NUMBER are all martyrs. Billions of saints. Martyred early in the trib.

In your Noah model you left out " before the flood"

Noah entered the ark BEFORE THE FLOOD.

LOT LEFT SODOM......" BEFORE"

NOTHING...ABSOLUTELY NOTHING of some dynamic AFTER.

PRETRIB.
BOTH NOAH, LOT, AND THE ONE TAKEN/ LEFT ARE ALL prejudgement dynamics.

 

[Absolutely]

"""so your saying if two people are in the same bed they are both born again believers ? I’m not sure where that would make any sense honestly .

Two men being in a bed together sounds odd to us because of perversion , in Jesus time there were group houses where people went to eat and sleep whether visiting a city and couldn’t afford housing , or just poor . That reference is about that he’s saying believers will be taken and non believers will be left behind I don’t see where you are basing your theory"""

I am just a reporter.
But I can read.

It says before the flood.
That is the setting.
One taken/ left before the flood.

You are going to have a problem trying to fit the "one taken / left" into a wicked taken model.

Remember...one of them is left behind.

So if you try to make it two homos in a bed...well it is ludicrous because one is left.

If you try to make it some " wicked taken" dynamic then you just placed an on fire sold out to Jesus believer in bed with a wicked.

So none of the " traditional theories " works.

We do have facts;

That is where I stand....on the facts.

He have
Before the flood
One taken/ left
Normal everyday life.
Some sleeping.others working ( indicating worldwide)
The two are all in harmonious dynamics.
The two seemed to be in unison or fellowship.( in every single instance)

"One is wicked ( heathen)" is some wild acertion. It actually does not in any way fit.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

the one Taken/left has 50/50 taken/ left.

Just a few sentences later the 10 virgins parable also has 50/50 taken/left ( thecrapture)

No
The bible says all take the mark....ALL
There is no church present in the great trib.
THE INNUMERABLE NUMBER are all martyrs. Billions of saints. Martyred early in the trib.

In your Noah model you left out " before the flood"

Noah entered the ark BEFORE THE FLOOD.

LOT LEFT SODOM......" BEFORE"

NOTHING...ABSOLUTELY NOTHING of some dynamic AFTER.

PRETRIB.
BOTH NOAH, LOT, AND THE ONE TAKEN/ LEFT ARE ALL prejudgement dynamics.

you have a lot of interesting thoughts thanks for sharing them

 

[Pilgrimshope]

"""so your saying if two people are in the same bed they are both born again believers ? I’m not sure where that would make any sense honestly .

Two men being in a bed together sounds odd to us because of perversion , in Jesus time there were group houses where people went to eat and sleep whether visiting a city and couldn’t afford housing , or just poor . That reference is about that he’s saying believers will be taken and non believers will be left behind I don’t see where you are basing your theory"""

I am just a reporter.
But I can read.

It says before the flood.
That is the setting.
One taken/ left before the flood.

You are going to have a problem trying to fit the "one taken / left" into a wicked taken model.

Remember...one of them is left behind.

So if you try to make it two homos in a bed...well it is ludicrous because one is left.

If you try to make it some " wicked taken" dynamic then you just placed an on fire sold out to Jesus believer in bed with a wicked.

So none of the " traditional theories " works.

We do have facts;

That is where I stand....on the facts.

He have
Before the flood
One taken/ left
Normal everyday life.
Some sleeping.others working ( indicating worldwide)
The two are all in harmonious dynamics.
The two seemed to be in unison or fellowship.( in every single instance)

"One is wicked ( heathen)" is some wild acertion. It actually does not in any way fit.

Non it says as it was in the days of the flood . He’s saying it’s going to be like Noah’s day , like lots day , sudden like Noah was delivered just as the flood came , like lot was delivered just as the cities were destroyed

so it will Be he says when he returns just as the destruction is coming this will
Happen

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:16-17‬ ‭

that is the group th ate taken that sudden day , and the group left is this group this is why those still alive are caught up that sudden moment

“And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe in that day.”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭1:7-10‬ ‭

there’s a day apppinted Christians are looking to could be in our lifetime or another thousand years . The day the heavens part ways and Jesus is in the air with his angels is the day .

Right after the long perpetual tribulations have occurred and the gospel has been fully preached in the world then the end will come .

only the final end of our generation of mankind will experience that moment when he returns and they are caught up
On the air while others are left to the destruction and flaming fire as Paul puts it

Christians are in a dark world for now but we have christs light to walk by until he returns as we pass through the world and each of us loves our life this is our time to believe and be saved because death is always a short time ahead for us , and it can be two things

“Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.

...I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:21, 24‬ ‭

or death can be this

“And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth:

Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we die in our sins is one manner of afterlife and if we are baptized into Christ for remission of our sins because of faith it’s a blessing and life , not a curse and death left in sin

Christians have to go through this world and overcome it finding their faith since Christ was taken to heaven things have been perpetually happening and will continue until the end on that day when he gathers the last alive who believe

 

[Truth7t7]

Zechariah 3:1-2 KJV
[1] And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. [2] And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord h thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? By your logic, the LORD ain’t the LORD because He says, “The LORD rebuke thee.”

(When the Lord rebukes Satan, He does it THIRD PERSON POINT OF VIEW in the name of the Lord.”)

When the Almighty God Lord Jesus manifested Himself as “the angel of the Lord” and took the name “Michael the Archangel” He rebuked the devil in THIRD PERSON.

I strongly disagree

The Lord was talking, and he stated, the Lord rebuke you, who is the Lord?

He's the one speaking, no third person as you claim, good try, no cigar

Zechariah 3:1-2KJV
1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

Scripture clearly teaches (Michael) and (Jesus Christ) are different

Michael Is Identified As The Archangel, Its That Simple

Michael The Archangel rebuked satan in the name of the (Lord) Jesus Christ, Who Is (Lord) In Both The Old And New Testament.

(The Lord Rebuke Thee) Michael Isnt The Lord, it's that simple.

Jude 1:9KJV
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

 

[Phoneman-777]

I strongly disagree

The Lord was talking, and he stated, the Lord rebuke you, who is the Lord?

He's the one speaking, no third person as you claim, good try, no cigar

First Person Perspective example:
And the Lord said, “I rebuke thee.”

Third Person Perspective example:
And the Lord said, “The LORD rebuke thee.”

Zechariah 3 is most certainly the Lord rebuking Satan in Third Person, as is the case in Jude 9.

Until you study the Biblical arguments for Jesus being Michael the Archangel,
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person

 

[ewq1938]

First Person Perspective example:
And the Lord said, “I rebuke thee.”

Third Person Perspective example:
And the Lord said, “The LORD rebuke thee.”

Using that logic I can prove Peter is also Jesus because in Act_2:38 Peter told people to repent, and in Rev_3:19 Jesus tells people to repent therefore another name for Jesus is Peter.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Using that logic I can prove Peter is also Jesus because in Act_2:38 Peter told people to repent, and in Rev_3:19 Jesus tells people to repent therefore another name for Jesus is Peter.

That's hardly an equivalent example, seeing that we know Jesus is God and Peter is not...but, what if it could be shown by other verses that Jesus and Michael are one in the same? Then, Jude 9 and Zechariah 3 would be beyond debate.

Have you followed the counsel to "despise not prophesyings"?
Do you have any idea what those arguments are?
Do you know about Manoah's encounter with the Angel of the Lord and what the Angel told him about His name? Do you know about Jacob's encounter with the Angel, and what he himself said about the whole affair after the fact? Do you know about Michael the "'great Prince" and "Messiah the (plain ol' regular) Prince"?
These are but a few of the verses that pertain.

Is the God Who said, "Despise not prophesyings, prove al things...." your Lord? Because if He is, they you must examine the Biblical arguments...or stop claiming Him as your Lord and just admit you are your own lord, right?

 

[ewq1938]

That's hardly an equivalent example, seeing that we know Jesus is God and Peter is not...

We also know Jesus is God and Michael the archangel is not.

 

[ewq1938]

I've read the various arguments for why people believe Jesus is Michael but none of them are convincing.

 

[Truth7t7]

By all means, compare Daniel 10 with Daniel 9 and then please tell me:

10:11 And he said unto me, O Daniel, a man greatly beloved, understand (So, his mission is to give Daniel understanding, right?) the words that I speak unto thee, and stand upright: for unto thee am I now sent (Does God get sent or does He do the sending?) And when he had spoken this word unto me, I stood trembling.

9:21 Yea, whiles I [was] speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, (Do we cause God to do things or does He cause us?) touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
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10:12 Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.

9:22 And he informed [me], and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding (Oh, so Gabriel has the same mission as the one in Daniel 10?).
9:23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to show [thee]; for thou [art] greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

The answer is so plainly obvious and for a surety, that answer is NOT Jesus - it is Gabriel. If it is Almighty God Jesus, why in the world would He need anyone's help to do anything?

No, it is Gabriel who was withstood by the "real" Prince of Persia, Satan, and required the help of Almighty God Jesus to gain the victory against him - Almighty Jesus Who manifested Himself as Michael the Archangel in the OT. Good gravy, man, READ why the Reformers believed that Almighty God Jesus manifested Himself as Michael the Archangel before you enter the arena debate, please!

Please quote these top 4 reformers, provide sources?

 

[Truth7t7]

By all means, compare Daniel 10 with Daniel 9 and then please tell me:

10:11 And he said unto me, O Daniel, a man greatly beloved, understand (So, his mission is to give Daniel understanding, right?) the words that I speak unto thee, and stand upright: for unto thee am I now sent (Does God get sent or does He do the sending?) And when he had spoken this word unto me, I stood trembling.

9:21 Yea, whiles I [was] speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, (Do we cause God to do things or does He cause us?) touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
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10:12 Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.

9:22 And he informed [me], and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding (Oh, so Gabriel has the same mission as the one in Daniel 10?).
9:23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to show [thee]; for thou [art] greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

The answer is so plainly obvious and for a surety, that answer is NOT Jesus - it is Gabriel. If it is Almighty God Jesus, why in the world would He need anyone's help to do anything?

No, it is Gabriel who was withstood by the "real" Prince of Persia, Satan, and required the help of Almighty God Jesus to gain the victory against him - Almighty Jesus Who manifested Himself as Michael the Archangel in the OT. Good gravy, man, READ why the Reformers believed that Almighty God Jesus manifested Himself as Michael the Archangel before you enter the arena debate, please!

Jesus Christ was seen in Daniel's vision in Daniel 10:5-6 below, As Rev 1:13-15 Clearly Describes.

I disagree with your claim of Jesus Christ manifesting himself as Michael the "Archangel"

Two Separate beings, Jesus Is God, Michael Is The Angel of God

(Jesus Christ)

Loins girded with gold, face as lightning, eyes as fire, arms and feet brass, words as voice of multitudes?

(Jesus Christ)

Revelation 1:13-15KJV
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

(Jesus Christ)

Daniel 10:5-6KJV
5 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz:
6 His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.

 

[Truth7t7]

First Person Perspective example:
And the Lord said, “I rebuke thee.”

Third Person Perspective example:
And the Lord said, “The LORD rebuke thee.”

Zechariah 3 is most certainly the Lord rebuking Satan in Third Person, as is the case in Jude 9.

Until you study the Biblical arguments for Jesus being Michael the Archangel,
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person

We Will Disagree

Michael Is The Lords "archangel"

Two separate beings are seen below, clear and simple, (Michael) & (The Lord)

No Cigar To Your 3rd Person Perspective.

Still Waiting On Your Top 4 Reformers?

Jude 1:9KJV
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

 

[Absolutely]

Non it says as it was in the days of the flood . He’s saying it’s going to be like Noah’s day , like lots day , sudden like Noah was delivered just as the flood came , like lot was delivered just as the cities were destroyed

so it will Be he says when he returns just as the destruction is coming this will
Happen

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:16-17‬ ‭

that is the group th ate taken that sudden day , and the group left is this group this is why those still alive are caught up that sudden moment

“And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe in that day.”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭1:7-10‬ ‭

there’s a day apppinted Christians are looking to could be in our lifetime or another thousand years . The day the heavens part ways and Jesus is in the air with his angels is the day .

Right after the long perpetual tribulations have occurred and the gospel has been fully preached in the world then the end will come .

only the final end of our generation of mankind will experience that moment when he returns and they are caught up
On the air while others are left to the destruction and flaming fire as Paul puts it

Christians are in a dark world for now but we have christs light to walk by until he returns as we pass through the world and each of us loves our life this is our time to believe and be saved because death is always a short time ahead for us , and it can be two things

“Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.

...I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:21, 24‬ ‭

or death can be this

“And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth:

Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we die in our sins is one manner of afterlife and if we are baptized into Christ for remission of our sins because of faith it’s a blessing and life , not a curse and death left in sin

Christians have to go through this world and overcome it finding their faith since Christ was taken to heaven things have been perpetually happening and will continue until the end on that day when he gathers the last alive who believe

The rapture is not the coming on white horses.

That is impossible.

Your position with Noah and lot. Has several insurmountable obstacles.
1 it is pretrib in setting.

2 it is peacetime and normal activities.

3 nothing. Of heaven comes down to touch earth, to defeat anything and set up a kingdom.( it just gets bizarre trying to make the second coming on white horses into the rapture)

4. Just as Noah and lots extended family STAYED and were killed...so it is with the rapture pretrib. The bride is delivered and the foolish virgins ( sin laden carnal believers) stay to die .

We see it vividly illustrated in the Ten virgins parable and the " one taken/ left" ...2 vivid rapture illustrations

Have any of you guys thought through the postrib ascertions?????

 

[Absolutely]

Non it says as it was in the days of the flood . He’s saying it’s going to be like Noah’s day , like lots day , sudden like Noah was delivered just as the flood came , like lot was delivered just as the cities were destroyed

so it will Be he says when he returns just as the destruction is coming this will
Happen

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:16-17‬ ‭

that is the group th ate taken that sudden day , and the group left is this group this is why those still alive are caught up that sudden moment

“And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe in that day.”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭1:7-10‬ ‭

there’s a day apppinted Christians are looking to could be in our lifetime or another thousand years . The day the heavens part ways and Jesus is in the air with his angels is the day .

Right after the long perpetual tribulations have occurred and the gospel has been fully preached in the world then the end will come .

only the final end of our generation of mankind will experience that moment when he returns and they are caught up
On the air while others are left to the destruction and flaming fire as Paul puts it

Christians are in a dark world for now but we have christs light to walk by until he returns as we pass through the world and each of us loves our life this is our time to believe and be saved because death is always a short time ahead for us , and it can be two things

“Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.

...I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:21, 24‬ ‭

or death can be this

“And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth:

Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we die in our sins is one manner of afterlife and if we are baptized into Christ for remission of our sins because of faith it’s a blessing and life , not a curse and death left in sin

Christians have to go through this world and overcome it finding their faith since Christ was taken to heaven things have been perpetually happening and will continue until the end on that day when he gathers the last alive who believe

So ominous.

Not a very joyful deal.
I like my bible
It paints an entirely different picture.

10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
And;
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.


16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.


In this we know we are correct.

When we agree with the word " Lord Jesus Come"
The spirit and the bride say come.

So do pretrib adherents.


And only we can pray with Jesus
" ...pray that to be counted WORTHY to escape the things about to come upon the world and stand before the son of God"

I can pray that.
It has no meaning to postrib rapture adherents.

In no way do they believe those words of Jesus.

Noah
Lot
The baby Jesus

All removed to another location prejudgment.

 

[Absolutely]

THANK YOU JESUS. !!!!!!!

 

[Phoneman-777]

We also know Jesus is God and Michael the archangel is not.

How can an ordianary angel's voice wake up the dead?

 

[Phoneman-777]

I've read the various arguments for why people believe Jesus is Michael but none of them are convincing.

I've read them and they're irrefutable.

 

[ewq1938]

How can an ordianary angel's voice wake up the dead?

It doesn't. God awakens the dead when the voice of the angel is heard and that is the sounding of the trumpet not the actual voice.

 

[Truth7t7]

The rapture is not the coming on white horses.

That is impossible.

Your position with Noah and lot. Has several insurmountable obstacles.
1 it is pretrib in setting.

2 it is peacetime and normal activities.

3 nothing. Of heaven comes down to touch earth, to defeat anything and set up a kingdom.( it just gets bizarre trying to make the second coming on white horses into the rapture)

4. Just as Noah and lots extended family STAYED and were killed...so it is with the rapture pretrib. The bride is delivered and the foolish virgins ( sin laden carnal believers) stay to die .

We see it vividly illustrated in the Ten virgins parable and the " one taken/ left" ...2 vivid rapture illustrations

Have any of you guys thought through the postrib ascertions?????

The parable of the 10 virgins is nothing more than a illustration of the 5 saved, and 5 unsaved virgins, plain, clear, very easy to understand.

Verse 12 below clearly shows that the 5 unsaved begged for the door to be opened, and as "several" other parables state of the unsaved (I Know You Not)

Verse 13 below, What is the day and hour no man knows? The (Second Coming) not a pre-trib rapture, with "several examples" of the day and hour no man knows in scripture.

Just like the rest of the pre-tribbers, you take a biblical explanation of the (Second Coming) and try to create a magical fairy tale in a pre-trib rapture (Fact)

Matthew 25:11-13KJV
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.