Who are the NEPHILIM in Genesis 6

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Hebrews 13:2 KJV
Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Exactly. This was the next passage that I'd have used.

 

[ewq1938]

Oh, ok.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 NLT - "But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no wonder that his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. In the end they will get the punishment their wicked deeds deserve."

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 KJV - "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

Take note the verse DOES NOT say Satan or his angels disguise themselves as HUMANS. Again, no angel needs to do that because they were created with bodies that look human and they were created that way before humans were created.

What that verse does tell us is that the bad angels can pretend to be and seem to be good angels.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Take note the verse DOES NOT say Satan or his angels disguise themselves as HUMANS.

Oh, ok. Well I don't know of what else they could be if their ends will be according to their works. Are we talking about the beast that king Nebuchadnezzar turned into? Are we talking about the "ass" within the story of Balaam and Balak? Hey . . . it's possible, for we're taught that even animals will be held accountable for their deeds.

"whose end shall be according to their works."

 

[ewq1938]

Oh, ok.

Yep.

 

[Diakonos]

Actually, I did respond to this question. I will do so now in this way.


"Many don't notice that some angels are "elect angels" (1 Tim 5:21). Jesus' statement concerning the angels that "do not marry or die" are the angels that are in heaven (Mk 12:25). The non-elect angels sinned (2 Pet 2:4). Their sin is described as "not keeping their first estate, abandoning their proper abode...indulging gross immorality, going after strange flesh" (just as Sodom and Gomorrah) (Jude 6-7). This account Jude is referring to is, of course, the gross union in Genesis 6. This view does not conflict with Scripture at all. It is merely strange and uncomfortable. That is why many don't accept it.

and elected Angel over an unelected angel is still an angel or messenger created to do something God ordained them to do.
Angels were not flesh beings nor did they become one. Nothing in the word of God says Angels became flesh. If you take what is said in Jude with Genesis 6 you have confusion and a context that is not supported. The English translation from Hebrew and Greek one from the Old and the other from the New Testament must be kept in their context as they were written and provided.

Why did Jude say what he said? We must ask that and why did he write it and to who did he write it to? Very important

Jude says
CONTEND EARNESTLY FOR THE FAITH
KEEP YOURSELF IN THE LOVE OF GOD.
we must Contend for the faith and stand against false teachings. Fight for the truth! Stand up against error!

What church is without them today? They are with us but not of us. Christ will judge these evil people as He did the fallen angels.
These intruders had begun to teach untruths in the Church. A leaven of evil was at work among the believers:

1. “Ungodly men”—worldly (Jude 4)
2. “Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness”—carnal (Jude 4)
3. “Denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ”—skeptical (Jude 4)
4. “Despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities”—lawless (Jude 8)
5. “Murmurers [and] complainers”—critical (Jude 16)
6. “Their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage”—flattering (Jude 16)
7. “Sensual, having not the Spirit”—immoral (Jude 19)

In contrast to these evil fellows, we find the true followers of the faith, lifting high the cross of Christ (see Jude 20–23). They were building on the foundation of Christ:

1. “Praying in the Holy Ghost” (Jude 20)
2. Keeping “in the love of God” (Jude 21)
3. Waiting for God’s mercy (Jude 21)
4. Winning souls for Christ (Jude 22–23)
5. Resting on God’s keeping power (Jude 24)

THE FOLLOWING GREEK WORDS ARE FOUND ONLY IN THE EPISTLE OF JUDE

"earnestly contend" (epagonizomai) Jude 1:3
"crept in unawares" (pareisduno) Jude 1:4 enter in stealthy or to steal.
"giving themselves over to fornication" (ekporneuo) Jude 1:7
"example" (deigma) Jude 1:7
"suffering" (hupechō)Jude 1:7
"naturally" (phusikōs) Jude 1:10
"feasts of charity" (agapē) Jude 1:12 (plural here only)
"whose fruit withereth" (phthinopōrinos) Jude 1:12
"foaming out" (epaphrizō) Jude 1:13
"wandering" (planētēs) Jude 1:13
"murmurers" (goggustes) Jude 1:16
"complainers" (mempsimoiros) Jude 1:16
"who separate themselves" (apodiorizō) Jude 1:19
"falling" (aptaistos) Jude 1:24


IF you keep Jude in context about the church and men, you will see where he says in verse 5 to 8 the following:


5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain,
but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;


7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak evil of dignitaries.


Jude is not saying Angels did this he is saying angels sinned and God judged them AS HE did Sodom and Gomorrah and the cites around them who were doing the same sin as Sodom and Gomorrah which was men laying with men the words
means :

"Stange flesh"
het'-er-os sarx also could mean of the same kind which is homosexuality which is why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah

Jude is not saying angels had sexual relations he is saying angels did not go unpunished for disobeying God and nor will man as God dealt with these nations and cites.

Did the men of Sodom have sex with angels? Did the Bible say that? No.

Contextually, at least two passages in the New Testament alludes to this sinful event regarding the angels. In 2 Peter 2:4, God “did not spare the angels who sinned, but held them captive in Tartarus with chains of darkness and handed them over to be kept for judgment.” The next verse situates the sin and punishment at the time of the flood: God “did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a proclaimer of righteousness, and seven others.” Peter connects this illustration to “licentious ways” (2 Pet 2:2) and “defiling lust”. More specifically, he strikes an analogy with the sexual sins of Sodom and Gomorrah (2 Pet 2:6–7). Thus, the passage indicates the angelic sin of a sexual nature at the time of the flood.

The letter of Jude (Jude 5–7) takes the same view, using similar verbiage. While Jude does not refer to Noah and the Flood as 2 Peter does (2 Pet 2:5); both passages reference the same event. Second Peter and Jude demonstrate that the episode of Genesis 6 involved “angels,” and a decision made by those divine beings to cross a divinely ordained boundary—God’s authority or out of their proper dwelling.

 

[Magenta]

Contextually, at least two passages in the New Testament alludes to this sinful event regarding the angels. In 2 Peter 2:4, God “did not spare the angels who sinned, but held them captive in Tartarus with chains of darkness and handed them over to be kept for judgment.” The next verse situates the sin and punishment at the time of the flood: God “did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a proclaimer of righteousness, and seven others.” Peter connects this illustration to “licentious ways” (2 Pet 2:2) and “defiling lust”.

2 Peter 2:2 is about false prophets and teachers... and their fabricated stories.

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

 

[Truth7t7]

You are free to believe anything you want to believe.

Now allow me to ask you this very simple question When YOU read the Bible, KJV or the ESV or the Amplified, where in those translations can you find the name of the angels RAPHAEL and PHANUEL????

Now allow me to tell you where you will find those names. Enoch 40:9-10..............
" seen and whose words I have heard and written down?’ And he said to me: ‘This first is Michael, the merciful and long-suffering: and the second, who is set over all the diseases and all the wounds of the children of men, is Raphael: and the third, who is set over all the powers, is Gabriel: and the fourth, who is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.’
10 And these are the four angels of the Lord of Spirits and the four voices I heard in those days. "

Now yu have publically stacked out you support for the book of Enoch.

The question to you now is this......why would you as a Christian choose to accept such Blasphemy and Occultic theology as you just read from the book of Enoch?????????????

Now I do not know you. But as you know, the Bible never mentions an angel named Phanuel, let alone an angel who is set over the repentance of those who inherit eternal life. THTA is open and simpy blasphemy! That statement in itself contradicts everything the Word of God teaches.

We read in 1st Timothy 2:5 that Jesus Christ is the ONLY Mediator between God and men, not some angel named Phanuel... "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."

Repentance is strictly between a man and Jesus Christ alone. Only Jesus died for our sins, and shed His blood to pay for them (1st Peter 1:18-19); therefore, we must be diligent to guard and defend against LIARS and imposters who would lead people to believe otherwise. 1st John 2:22 clearly indicts all Christ-deniers as LIARS, guilty before God.

Now, again....why would you accept and support such open and easily seen blasphemy?????

Supposedly The Book Of Enoch Has Described The "Fictional" Nephilim 300 Cubits Tall, 450 Feet, As Long As Noah's Ark, Running Around Eating Humans

Cubit = 18"

Genesis 6:15KJV
15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

Ahwatukee Stated Below:

Good day, PennEd!

Once again, we have Enoch in agreement with the information regarding the Nephilim's stature and cannibalism, as listed below:

Enoch 7:11-13
"And they conceiving brought forth giants; whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labor of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them; When they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them.

 

[Major]

Supposedly The Book Of Enoch Has Described The "Fictional" Nephilim 300 Cubits Tall, 450 Feet, As Long As Noah's Ark, Running Around Eating Humans

Cubit = 18"

Genesis 6:15KJV
15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

Ahwatukee Stated Below:

Good day, PennEd!

Once again, we have Enoch in agreement with the information regarding the Nephilim's stature and cannibalism, as listed below:

Enoch 7:11-13
"And they conceiving brought forth giants; whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labor of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them; When they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them.

I hope Stephen King reads your post. It wouod make a really good fictional movie!

 

[Major]

Good day, major!

Your reasoning is faulty. What I mean is, just because the names of certain angels are not found in the Bible, does not mean that they don't exist. There are a variety of angels mentioned in the OT and in Revelation, but their names are never mentioned. Does that mean that they are not there? Likewise, it collectively mentions the 'sons of God' as those angels who took wives from the daughters of men, but their names are not given. When the angels, referred to as the sons of God, presented themselves to the Lord in Job, their names were not mentioned, but they were there before the Lord.



I already answered this in a previous post. For one, your assumption does not do away with the fact that Jude quoted Enoch. It also does not do away with Peter's and Jude's mentioning of those angels who were sent to Tartartus because of their sinful actions. By the way, though it is stated that these angels were put under the earth in chains of darkness, it does not mention their names, yet those angels were obviously imprisoned there. My point is, just because their names are not mentioned, does not mean that it didn't happen to them.

Likewise, in Enoch, in 10:2, an angel named Arsayalalyur is sent to the son of Lamech, (Noah) by God on how to survive the flood that He is was going to bring upon the earth. That name is also not mentioned in the Bible, but I'm sure that it was an angel who gave Noah the instructions for building the ark and not God in person.

There are different ranks or classes of angels. How do you know that God did not place that archangel in that position over repentance and other angels over other responsibilities and who report to directly to the Lord? Do you know what goes on in heaven and what the angels are in charge of and what their authorities are? Here's an example:

Authority over water:
"And I heard the angel of the waters saying, “Righteous are You, the One who is and who was, O Holy One, because You judged these things"

Authority over fire:
"Still another angel, with authority over the fire, came from the altar and called out in a loud voice to the angel with the sharp sickle, 'Swing your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of grapes from the vine of the earth, because its grapes are ripe.' ”

The angel of the waters is referring to that angel who has authority over the waters, who responds after the other angels pour out their bowls on the sea and fresh waters turning them into literal blood. Their names are not mentioned and that one angel has authority on behalf of God over the waters. There is also an angel who has authority over fire and neither of their names are mentioned, but it doesn't mean that they don't exist.



As I stated in the previous post and above, just because an angels name appears in Enoch, but not in the other scriptures, does not mean that He does not exist. This faulty reasoning. Assumption.



You are correct in that there is one mediator between God and men. However, it does not mention those angels in Enoch as being mediators. As I said, their are various angels mentioned in Revelation, but their names are not given. Neither you nor I know what positions they hold, nor their authorities. As an archangel, Phanuel could be in a position of authority in regards to repentance, reporting directly to the Lord. Another example is when Paul says regarding believers after they are in their immortal and glorified state: "Don't you know that we will judge the world. Do you not know that we shall judge angels?" To use your reasoning, isn't judgement something that only God does? Yet, scripture says that believers will have some part in judging the world and angels.

You're making assumptions about things that you know nothing of, which take place in heaven.

The bottom line is, your point regarding Phanuel, does not do away with the fact that Jude quoted one of the prophesies of Enoch.

As I have stated.....anyone can believe what they choose to believe.

I for one am a BIBLE literalist. By that I mean that the Bible says what God wanted us to know.

What YOU are saying is that YOU know more than God has told us hence we should know that Raphael and Phenual are the real names of angels even though there is NO RECORD of them anywhere in the Bible.

The Book of ENOCH is OCCULTIC and HERESY!

Now I do not know you, to the best of my memory I do not remember speaking with you. I do not say these things to disrepect you in anyway my brother, but I would suggest to you that you study just a little more about "Discernment".

Please feel free to reject everything I say to you and insted, I suggest that you place your personal opinions aside and do the work to show yourself approved. Allow me to give you another example of the OCCULT nature of the book of Enoch.

We read in the Book of Enoch, chapter 69:8-12…
"And the fourth was named Penemue: he taught the children of men the bitter and the sweet, and he taught them all the secrets of their wisdom. And he instructed mankind in writing with ink and paper, and thereby many sinned from eternity to(10)eternity and until this day. For men were not created for such a purpose, to give confirmation (11) to their good faith with pen and ink. For men were created exactly like the angels, to the intent that they should continue pure and righteous, and death, which destroys everything, could not have taken hold of them, but through this their knowledge they are perishing, and through this power (12) it is consuming me..

Now you said that my understanding was FAULTY.

Now the words from the book of Enoch tell us that man’s wisdom came from a demon named Penemue?

YOU my friend are supporting and believing a book which just said that "mans wisdom came from a demon named Penemue"!!!

That’s crazy! Did ink and paper cause the fall of the human race? Wasn't It Adam’s sin that brought sin into the world (Romans 5:12); not evil literature.
Mankind is inherently evil of himself, prone to the works of the flesh (Galatians 5:19-21).
The lost sin because they are sinners,born with a fallen nature,inherited directly from Adam!

Now is my understanding FAULTY??????

Although demons definitely influence mankind to do evil, man was already fallen long before he began to pursue idolatry and witchcraft. Christ came and died not to save us from witchcraft, but from all sin. Also, notice in Enoch 69:6, that the Book of Enoch claims that a demon named Gadreel led Eve astray and introduced weaponry to mankind. How absurd. The Bible identifies the serpent which deceived Eve in the Garden of Eden as Satan (Ezekiel 28:13).

Are you sure that it is MY understanding that id FLAWED????

Since you support the book of Enoch I am sure that you have acopy right there with you so YOU will see that as YOU progress deeper into the Book of Enoch, YOU will eventually find the Books of Adam and Eve fascinating as well, and then YOU will be into New Age occultism without even realizing it. Don’t be fooled, the Book of Enoch is occult material, written by gnostics that will lead you into the senseless mysticism of pagan religion. Keep in mind the philosophies of the Gnostics laid the groundwork for what today is termed Luciferianism.

The book of Enoch consistently glorifies angels in the rightful place of Jesus, at best this is promoting angel worship which is nothing more than trafficking in demons..sorcery, which is why it is so highly utilized in the occult,with a whole realm of sorcery dedicated to it known as Enochian Magic. This should be more than enough right here to satisfy any questions on whether or not the book of Enoch is the inspired word of God, there are though numerous other contradictions and outright false teachings contained in this book.

Now.....please.....fight the urge to immediatly post a responce to what I just posted. Investigate this stuff. Pray about it. Think it through and ask your self if what you are reading in the Book of Enoch came from God....and if you think it does, THEN WAY IS NONE OF IT FOUND IN THE WORD OF GOD?????

 

[Major]

I rarely say this, but . . . Amen.

LOL..........Thats probably because neither of you could stay in one long enough to get the degree!!!

 

[49]

LOL..........Thats probably because neither of you could stay in one long enough to get the degree!!!

Wow! Smh.....

 

[Major]

I wouldn’t give three cents for a seminary degree...

Christian forums are full of people who say that and my guess is that is because you could not get one.

Persoanlly I have Two and would not take any amount of money for them!!!!

Ecclesiastes 7:12 -
For wisdom [is] a defence, [and] money [is] a defence: but the excellency of knowledge [is, that] wisdom giveth life to them that have it.

Proverbs 18:15 -
The heart of the prudent getteth knowledge; and the ear of the wise seeketh knowledge.

2 Timothy 3:16 -
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

Maybe if you had a degree from a Christian seminary, you would have known about those Scriptures!

 

[Major]

Wow! Smh.....

Hebrews 4:12..........
"For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart."

 

[Major]

Lol, stick with the KJV and ditch Gill...

They did eat.

Yea......Dr. John Gill is to be rejected and we can all read your qoeds of wisdom.......are you serious!

 

[Major]

Oh, ok.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 NLT - "But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no wonder that his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. In the end they will get the punishment their wicked deeds deserve."

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 KJV - "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

And neither of the Scriptures you posted say......Angels take on the form of flesh and bones or put on the flesh of men.

 

[Major]

Hebrews 13:2 KJV
Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Actually that is not applicable IMHO.

Strange PERSONS may often turn out to be “angels.”

1. It may be so with the “stranger” who enters our household.

2. It may be so with the “stranger” in our neighbourhood.

3. It may be so with the “stranger” in our church.

There is no reason for thinking that under the Christian dispensation angelic beings ever assume a visible form.

Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit to comfort us, NOT ANGELS.

 

[Major]

Sorry . . . I don't really understand the angle.

In post #227 YOU said...................
"2ndTimothyGroup said:
They were spirits that took on the flesh of "man.""
Just like Christ, they were a "little lower than angels."


I responded to that with................
"However.....the Scriptures do not say that do they. That is Rationalization!

Jesus was GOD my friend and Because Jesus took on flesh to be born of the virgin Mary, in no way then can be extrapulated that an angel or a woman gave birth to a man who is 100% angel and 100% God.

That would make that person the God-Angel!

Are you sure that is what you are going to go with??????

 

[Ahwatukee]

As I have stated.....anyone can believe what they choose to believe.

I for one am a BIBLE literalist. By that I mean that the Bible says what God wanted us to know.

What YOU are saying is that YOU know more than God has told us hence we should know that Raphael and Phenual are the real names of angels even though there is NO RECORD of them anywhere in the Bible.

So, because the names Raphael and Phenual do not appear in the other scriptures, you reject Jude's quoting of Enoch? Consider the following:

"Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven, wrapped in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head. His face was like the sun, and his legs were like pillars of fire."

What is the name of the angel above? You don't know, because it is not given in the scripture. However, he is a real angel and what John witnessed of this angel he wrote in the book of Revelation. Just because his name is not mentioned, does not mean that he is not real. It is faulty reasoning on your part to reject the information contained in Enoch, just because the names of those two angels are not found in the other 66 books of the Bible. The fact is that, many angels are mentioned throughout the word of God, but I believe that there are only two angels that we are given the names of, which is Michael and Gabriel. However, there are many other angel mentioned whose names are never mentioned.

The Book of ENOCH is OCCULTIC and HERESY!

If that is your conclusion, then you also have to reject Jude's quoting of Enoch, as well as both Peter's and Jude's comments regarding there those angels who sinned, which is contained in the writings of Enoch. For how can you accept one prophecy and not others?

I'm not going to continue to debate this with you. The Spirit in me confirms the validity of the book of Enoch and I will continue to except it as scripture. If you reject it, then you are free to do so. But you are not going to convince me otherwise.

Now I do not know you, to the best of my memory I do not remember speaking with you. I do not say these things to disrepect you in anyway my brother, but I would suggest to you that you study just a little more about "Discernment".

I have been studying with discernment for many years regarding all Biblical issues, including the writings of Enoch. For I am zealous for the truth and accuracy of God's word. And the details that Enoch gives in regards to those angels who took wives, the resulting giants, the corruption that the angels caused and the flood and all related information, I believe.

One thing that I have noticed is that, when the Spirit reveals a Biblical truth, those to whom it has not been revealed reject it. I've told you before, the writings of Enoch were a part of the scriptures up until the third century. That is a fact. Another fact is that, Enoch walked with God and God took him, which means that he pleased God. Therefore, the prophesies of Enoch should not be a hinderance to you. The bottom line is, believe it or don't.

 

[CS1]

Contextually, at least two passages in the New Testament alludes to this sinful event regarding the angels. In 2 Peter 2:4, God “did not spare the angels who sinned, but held them captive in Tartarus with chains of darkness and handed them over to be kept for judgment.” The next verse situates the sin and punishment at the time of the flood: God “did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a proclaimer of righteousness, and seven others.” Peter connects this illustration to “licentious ways” (2 Pet 2:2) and “defiling lust”. More specifically, he strikes an analogy with the sexual sins of Sodom and Gomorrah (2 Pet 2:6–7). Thus, the passage indicates the angelic sin of a sexual nature at the time of the flood.

The letter of Jude (Jude 5–7) takes the same view, using similar verbiage. While Jude does not refer to Noah and the Flood as 2 Peter does (2 Pet 2:5); both passages reference the same event. Second Peter and Jude demonstrate that the episode of Genesis 6 involved “angels,” and a decision made by those divine beings to cross a divinely ordained boundary—God’s authority or out of their proper dwelling.

Yes, they did sin, as it was said however the sexual sin in context to Sodom and Gomorrah was the sin of man not the sin of angels.
in the same way, it was the sin of man that causes God to flood the earth not the sin of angels.

Again God did not spare disobedient angels, God will not spare unrepented men and women. One thing Jude did not mention is when were those angels held captive and as to why. It very well could have been when the Devil was cast out. What we see Jude saying is examples of what God judged

Angels, ancient worlds, sins of Sodom and Gomorrah and other nations and cites that did the SINS of those cites, not angels. You have misinterpreted

 

[Major]

So, because the names Raphael and Phenual do not appear in the other scriptures, you reject Jude's quoting of Enoch? Consider the following:

"Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven, wrapped in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head. His face was like the sun, and his legs were like pillars of fire."

What is the name of the angel above? You don't know, because it is not given in the scripture. However, he is a real angel and what John witnessed of this angel he wrote in the book of Revelation. Just because his name is not mentioned, does not mean that he is not real. It is faulty reasoning on your part to reject the information contained in Enoch, just because the names of those two angels are not found in the other 66 books of the Bible. The fact is that, many angels are mentioned throughout the word of God, but I believe that there are only two angels that we are given the names of, which is Michael and Gabriel. However, there are many other angel mentioned whose names are never mentioned.



If that is your conclusion, then you also have to reject Jude's quoting of Enoch, as well as both Peter's and Jude's comments regarding there those angels who sinned, which is contained in the writings of Enoch. For how can you accept one prophecy and not others?

I'm not going to continue to debate this with you. The Spirit in me confirms the validity of the book of Enoch and I will continue to except it as scripture. If you reject it, then you are free to do so. But you are not going to convince me otherwise.



I have been studying with discernment for many years regarding all Biblical issues, including the writings of Enoch. For I am zealous for the truth and accuracy of God's word. And the details that Enoch gives in regards to those angels who took wives, the resulting giants, the corruption that the angels caused and the flood and all related information, I believe.

One thing that I have noticed is that, when the Spirit reveals a Biblical truth, those to whom it has not been revealed reject it. I've told you before, the writings of Enoch were a part of the scriptures up until the third century. That is a fact. Another fact is that, Enoch walked with God and God took him, which means that he pleased God. Therefore, the prophesies of Enoch should not be a hinderance to you. The bottom line is, believe it or don't.

Again......2nd time.......Jude did not quote the book of Enoch, but rather attributes the quote to Enoch, a specific individual we know that lived before Noah 2. What Jude does do is he amplifies Enoch, the man. We know he was righteous all his days 2, but now we know he was also a prophet of God (or spokesman for God, or speaking God’s literal words).

God bless you my friend, but if you have been doing study and you continue to accept the book of Enoch as valid in which YOU are plaeing what it says over the WOrd of God then I agree....YOU do not need to continue to have any discussions with me.