Who are the NEPHILIM in Genesis 6

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CS1 said:
Actually, I did respond to this question. I will do so now in this way.


"Many don't notice that some angels are "elect angels" (1 Tim 5:21). Jesus' statement concerning the angels that "do not marry or die" are the angels that are in heaven (Mk 12:25). The non-elect angels sinned (2 Pet 2:4). Their sin is described as "not keeping their first estate, abandoning their proper abode...indulging gross immorality, going after strange flesh" (just as Sodom and Gomorrah) (Jude 6-7). This account Jude is referring to is, of course, the gross union in Genesis 6. This view does not conflict with Scripture at all. It is merely strange and uncomfortable. That is why many don't accept it.

and elected Angel over an unelected angel is still an angel or messenger created to do something God ordained them to do.
Angels were not flesh beings nor did they become one. Nothing in the word of God says Angels became flesh. If you take what is said in Jude with Genesis 6 you have confusion and a context that is not supported. The English translation from Hebrew and Greek one from the Old and the other from the New Testament must be kept in their context as they were written and provided.

Why did Jude say what he said? We must ask that and why did he write it and to who did he write it to? Very important

Jude says
CONTEND EARNESTLY FOR THE FAITH
KEEP YOURSELF IN THE LOVE OF GOD.
we must Contend for the faith and stand against false teachings. Fight for the truth! Stand up against error!

What church is without them today? They are with us but not of us. Christ will judge these evil people as He did the fallen angels.
These intruders had begun to teach untruths in the Church. A leaven of evil was at work among the believers:

  1. “Ungodly men”—worldly (Jude 4)
  2. “Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness”—carnal (Jude 4)
  3. “Denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ”—skeptical (Jude 4)
  4. “Despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities”—lawless (Jude 8)
  5. “Murmurers [and] complainers”—critical (Jude 16)
  6. “Their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage”—flattering (Jude 16)
  7. “Sensual, having not the Spirit”—immoral (Jude 19)
In contrast to these evil fellows, we find the true followers of the faith, lifting high the cross of Christ (see Jude 20–23). They were building on the foundation of Christ:

  1. “Praying in the Holy Ghost” (Jude 20)
  2. Keeping “in the love of God” (Jude 21)
  3. Waiting for God’s mercy (Jude 21)
  4. Winning souls for Christ (Jude 22–23)
  5. Resting on God’s keeping power (Jude 24)
THE FOLLOWING GREEK WORDS ARE FOUND ONLY IN THE EPISTLE OF JUDE

"earnestly contend" (epagonizomai) Jude 1:3
"crept in unawares" (pareisduno) Jude 1:4 enter in stealthy or to steal.
"giving themselves over to fornication" (ekporneuo) Jude 1:7
"example" (deigma) Jude 1:7
"suffering" (hupechō)Jude 1:7
"naturally" (phusikōs) Jude 1:10
"feasts of charity" (agapē) Jude 1:12 (plural here only)
"whose fruit withereth" (phthinopōrinos) Jude 1:12
"foaming out" (epaphrizō) Jude 1:13
"wandering" (planētēs) Jude 1:13
"murmurers" (goggustes) Jude 1:16
"complainers" (mempsimoiros) Jude 1:16
"who separate themselves" (apodiorizō) Jude 1:19
"falling" (aptaistos) Jude 1:24


IF you keep Jude in context about the church and men, you will see where he says in verse 5 to 8 the following:


5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain,
but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;


7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak evil of dignitaries.


Jude is not saying Angels did this he is saying angels sinned and God judged them AS HE did Sodom and Gomorrah and the cites around them who were doing the same sin as Sodom and Gomorrah which was men laying with men the words
means :

"Stange flesh"
het'-er-os sarx also could mean of the same kind which is homosexuality which is why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah

Jude is not saying angels had sexual relations he is saying angels did not go unpunished for disobeying God and nor will man as God dealt with these nations and cites.

Did the men of Sodom have sex with angels? Did the Bible say that? No.
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EXCELLANT post!
 
Major said:
How in the world do you prove that???? If they had flesh then they could not have been spirits.
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Let‘s see...they ate with Lot

3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

They grabbed Lot and pulled him inside.

10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.

They took hold of Lot and his family by the hand.

16 And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the Lord being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.
 
John146 said:
The angels who went to take Lot out of Sodom were men. They ate with Lot. They took on human form. The men of Sodom wanted to have sexual relations with them. The angels grabbed Lot and pull him inside.
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Where did you go to Seminary????? Did you take ANY Bible study classes anywhere?????

Angels CAN NOT BE HUMANS my friend.

Verse #3..."and they did eat", the Targums of Jonathan and Jerusalem are,"they seemed as if they ate.'See Gill on Genesis 18:8 (NAS)

Ver. 3. "And they did eat." They made as if they did eat and drink, saith the Hierosolymi-Targum. See Trapp commentaries.
 
Major said:
Where did you go to Seminary????? Did you take ANY Bible study classes anywhere?????

Angels CAN NOT BE HUMANS my friend.

Verse #3..."and they did eat", the Targums of Jonathan and Jerusalem are,"they seemed as if they ate.'See Gill on Genesis 18:8 (NAS)

Ver. 3. "And they did eat." They made as if they did eat and drink, saith the Hierosolymi-Targum. See Trapp commentaries.
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Jesus is God in the flesh. Could not these fallen angels be in a similar way? Yep. :)
 
2ndTimothyGroup said:
They were spirits that took on the flesh of "man."

Just like Christ, they were a "little lower than angels."
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However.....the Scriptures do not say that do they. That is Rationalization!

Jesus was GOD my friend and Because Jesus took on flesh to be born of the virgin Mary, in no way then can be extrapulated that an angel or a woman gave birth to a man who is 100% angel and 100% God.

That would make that person the God-Angel!

Are you sure that is what you are going to go with??????
 
2ndTimothyGroup said:
Jesus is God in the flesh. Could not these fallen angels be in a similar way? Yep. :)
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They could be IF.....IF you can produce the Scriptures that validate such an idea jusr as we can post the Scriptures where the Holy Spirit overshowded Mary and she then gave birth to the God Man.

Are there any Scriptures that tell us about those angels being born of a woman who then became the God_Angels.
 
2ndTimothyGroup said:
Okie Doke.
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Do you understand that if these "Sons of God" in Genesis 6 were fallen angels/demons and had sex with human women........
the birth line of Jesus Christ would be contaminated and YOU and ME and NOONE else would be saved???????

We are saved by the PERFECT UNCONTAMINATED blood of the Perfect God-Man who had NO sin!
 
Major said:
They could be IF.....IF you can produce the Scriptures that validate such an idea jusr as we can post the Scriptures where the Holy Spirit overshowded Mary and she then gave birth to the God Man.

Are there any Scriptures that tell us about those angels being born of a woman who then became the God_Angels.
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Sorry . . . I don't really understand the angle.
 
Major said:
Where did you go to Seminary????? Did you take ANY Bible study classes anywhere?????

Angels CAN NOT BE HUMANS my friend.

Verse #3..."and they did eat", the Targums of Jonathan and Jerusalem are,"they seemed as if they ate.'See Gill on Genesis 18:8 (NAS)

Ver. 3. "And they did eat." They made as if they did eat and drink, saith the Hierosolymi-Targum. See Trapp commentaries.
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Lol, stick with the KJV and ditch Gill...

They did eat.
 
Major said:
Do you understand that if these "Sons of God" in Genesis 6 were fallen angels/demons and had sex with human women........
the birth line of Jesus Christ would be contaminated and YOU and ME and NOONE else would be saved???????

We are saved by the PERFECT UNCONTAMINATED blood of the Perfect God-Man who had NO sin!
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I wouldn't give flesh, blood, and bone that much credit. God surely doesn't. There is far more going on than just what we see, taste, touch, and smell.
 
Major said:
Do you understand that if these "Sons of God" in Genesis 6 were fallen angels/demons and had sex with human women........
the birth line of Jesus Christ would be contaminated and YOU and ME and NOONE else would be saved???????

We are saved by the PERFECT UNCONTAMINATED blood of the Perfect God-Man who had NO sin!
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Thats exactly the reason for Genesis 5...it shows how God was preserving his seed line when all the earth was being corrupted by the sons of God. Satan has two modes of attack on the seed...murder and sexual perversion. Noah’s generation was perfect, complete, incorrupt.
 
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2ndTimothyGroup said:
They were spirits that took on the flesh of "man."
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Angels don't "take on the form of flesh and bones" or put on the fleshofS men. Their natural physical condition looks like human flesh. They don't have to change anything to appear that way. They always are in that form because that's how they were created. Never do we see an angel transitioning from one form to another in the bible because they don't do that.

Whether in heaven or the Earth, angels remain the same. Angels often are mistaken for human males simply because angels have humanoid bodies and look human. They look this way in heaven as well so there simply is no body transition.
 
ewq1938 said:
Angels don't "take on the form of flesh and bones" or put on the fleshofS men. Their natural physical condition looks like human flesh. They don't have to change anything to appear that way. They always are in that form because that's how they were created. Never do we see an angel transitioning from one form to another in the bible because they don't do that.

Whether in heaven or the Earth, angels remain the same. Angels often are mistaken for human males simply because angels have humanoid bodies and look human. They look this way in heaven as well so there simply is no body transition.
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Oh, ok.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 NLT - "But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no wonder that his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. In the end they will get the punishment their wicked deeds deserve."

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 KJV - "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."
 
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