Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

[Truth7t7]

FreeGrace2 said:
Then you have to deny the clear words of Rev 20, all of it.

The word "fire" is used throughout Scripture as a metaphor for God's judgment. So when Jesus Christ returns at the Second Advent, he will most assuredly be coming IN judgment upon the earth.

Rev 20-21:1 explains WHEN the earth melts and a new earth appears.

Correct.


I would suggest doing a search on the word "fire" in the Bible. you'll see how much of a fairytale dream it isn't.

2 Peter 2:6KJV
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness
OK, great, you are able to find verses where fire is used literally.

So, why don't you look all the uses of 'fire', unless you're afraid of what you will find?

Sodom & Gomorrha were (Literally) Destroyed By Fire And Brimstone From Heaven.

This Same Event Of (Literal) Fire And Brimstone Will Take Place, At The (Second Coming) When The Lord Is Revealed, Luke 17:29-30

(Literal Fire)

Genesis 19:24-25KJV
24 Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven;
25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

2 Peter 2:6KJV
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.[/QUOTE]
OK, great, you are able to find verses where fire is used literally.

 

[ewq1938]

OK, sure. A literal sword comes out of His literal mouth. If you say so. lol.

I never said it was literal. Obviously a literal sword is NOT coming out of his mouth. Why would you even think anyone would think that?

 

[Truth7t7]

I never said it was literal. Obviously a literal sword is NOT coming out of his mouth. Why would you even think anyone would think that?

The posters response is a complete (Distraction) from the topic, this happens when one is boxed in the corner of Gods words in truth, of course you didn't claim a literal sword, (Distraction)

To Deny That Sodom & Gomorrah Were (Literally) Destroyed By The Lords Fire From Heaven?

 

[FreeGrace2]

Sodom & Gomorrha were (Literally) Destroyed By Fire And Brimstone From Heaven.

How 'bout that!

This Same Event Of (Literal) Fire And Brimstone Will Take Place, At The (Second Coming) When The Lord Is Revealed, Luke 17:29-30

When Jesus sets up His Millennial kingdom?? Prove it.

(Literal Fire)

Seems you just like to focus on the literal notations of fire. I gave you a bunch of verses that used "fire" metaphorically for God's judgment.

And that's what Jesus will do when He comes again. He sets up His kingdom and rules (judges) the world.

Genesis 19:24-25KJV
24 Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven;
25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

2 Peter 2:6KJV
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

OK, great, you are able to find verses where fire is used literally.[/QUOTE]
Anyone can pick and choose just the verses they want, to defend their opinions.

The point is; fire is used both figuratively and literally.

With discernment, one can determine which way is being used.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I never said it was literal. Obviously a literal sword is NOT coming out of his mouth. Why would you even think anyone would think that?

Then why did you quote the verse? What was your point then?

 

[FreeGrace2]

The posters response is a complete (Distraction) from the topic, this happens when one is boxed in the corner of Gods words in truth, of course you didn't claim a literal sword, (Distraction)

To Deny That Sodom & Gomorrah Were (Literally) Destroyed By The Lords Fire From Heaven?

Ridiculous. Of course S&G were burned up by fire and brimstone. Literally.

So what's the point about S&G? Are you suggesting that ALL references to "fire" mean literal flames?

You think Jesus Christ comes back to earth to burn it up when He comes. Pure nonsense. He comes to reign on earth for 1,000 LITERAL years. And THEN, after the GWT judgment, after casting all unbelievers into the lake of fire, the present earth with melt with fervent heat (2 Peter 3:10,12) and there will be a new heaven and new earth. Rev 21:1

 

[Truth7t7]

How 'bout that!


When Jesus sets up His Millennial kingdom?? Prove it.


Seems you just like to focus on the literal notations of fire. I gave you a bunch of verses that used "fire" metaphorically for God's judgment.

And that's what Jesus will do when He comes again. He sets up His kingdom and rules (judges) the world.


OK, great, you are able to find verses where fire is used literally.

Anyone can pick and choose just the verses they want, to defend their opinions.

The point is; fire is used both figuratively and literally.

With discernment, one can determine which way is being used.[/QUOTE]
You Deny Luke 17:29-30 Below As Being A (Literal) Event In Fire, It Clearlyteaches When Jesus ChristIs Reveaped, Its Gonna Be Just Like Sodom And Gomorrah, "Why" Do You Deny The Very Clear Teaching?

Sodom & Gomorrha were (Literally) Destroyed By Fire And Brimstone From Heaven.

This Same Event Of (Literal) Fire And Brimstone Will Take Place, At The (Second Coming) When The Lord Is Revealed, Luke 17:29-30

(Literal Fire)

Genesis 19:24-25KJV
24 Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven;
25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

2 Peter 2:6KJV
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

(Literal Fire) Destroyed The All!

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[Truth7t7]

Ridiculous. Of course S&G were burned up by fire and brimstone. Literally.

So what's the point about S&G? Are you suggesting that ALL references to "fire" mean literal flames?

You think Jesus Christ comes back to earth to burn it up when He comes. Pure nonsense. He comes to reign on earth for 1,000 LITERAL years. And THEN, after the GWT judgment, after casting all unbelievers into the lake of fire, the present earth with melt with fervent heat (2 Peter 3:10,12) and there will be a new heaven and new earth. Rev 21:1

You Live In (Denial) Of Gods Clear Words Of Truth Presented Below.

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Absolutely]

If anyone here is interested in a competing interpretation to the (comparatively new) Jesuit "Left Behind" Futurist ideas that are popularized here, which is more along the lines of what the Protestant Reformers taught for over three centuries of church history during the Protestant Reformation, click on this link:

The speaker was a SA University professor and atheist scientist for decades before becoming a Christian pastor, evangelist, author, researcher, and lecturer on many topics. His testimony on Youtube called "From Evolutionist to Creationist: My Most Difficult Journey" is so incredible, one wonders how it was possible this man found God at all.

No doubt he never looks at the rapture verses or the bride / groom components.

Does he pull names out of his holster like you?
Jesuit
Futurist?
Left behind?..... that you criticize Jesus for?

Can't take you seriously friend.

 

[Absolutely]

I said:
"The word "fire" is used throughout Scripture as a metaphor for God's judgment. So when Jesus Christ returns at the Second Advent, he will most assuredly be coming IN judgment upon the earth."

It's in His Word. Not hard to find.

Jer 23:29 - “Is not my word like fire,” declares the LORD, “and like a hammer that breaks a rock in pieces?
Amos 1:4 - I will send fire on the house of Hazael that will consume the fortresses of Ben-Hadad.
Amos 1:7 - I will send fire on the walls of Gaza that will consume her fortresses.
Amos 1:10 - I will send fire on the walls of Tyre that will consume her fortresses.
Amos 1:12 - I will send fire on Teman that will consume the fortresses of Bozrah. ”
Amos 1:14 - I will set fire to the walls of Rabbah that will consume her fortresses amid war cries on the day of battle, amid violent winds on a stormy day.
Malachi 3:2 - But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap.

Wasn't it you that said the flood was not judgement?

 

[Absolutely]

No such thing as a pre-trib rapture found in the scripture, a man made fairytale.

oh yeah

Eliminate the verses and..... poooof!

Postrib rapture resounds in your circles.

None of you accept my challenge.

Just overly general denial.
Denial is your friend?

What in the rapture verses scares you guys so bad?

 

[Absolutely]

No such thing as a literal Millennial Kingdom on this earth found in the scripture, there will be no final rebellion.

Jesus Christ returns in fire and Final judgement, dissolving the heavens and earth by fire, immediately after the tribulation.

That's just your deal.

You stand alone?

Any links to like minded teachers or did you make all that up by yourself ?

Such an easy request.
I am sure you can answer it.

 

[Truth7t7]

That's just your deal.

You stand alone?

Any links to like minded teachers or did you make all that up by yourself ?

Such an easy request.
I am sure you can answer it.

Do You Think That's A Boy Scout Campfire Seen Below, Or Possibly It's All A Lie?

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Truth7t7]

oh yeah

Eliminate the verses and..... poooof!

Postrib rapture resounds in your circles.

None of you accept my challenge.

Just overly general denial.
Denial is your friend?

What in the rapture verses scares you guys so bad?

You push Rev 19 and Jesus Returning In the (Second Coming) as a pre-trib rapture, nobody is buying your teaching

Just as pre-tribbers push 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 & 1 Corinthians 15:52-54 as a pre-trib rapture?

The verses are nothing more than the second coming, last day resurrection

A Pre-Trib rapture is a Darby/Scofield fairytale.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Anyone can pick and choose just the verses they want, to defend their opinions.

Yeah, that's what most people do.

I said:
"The point is; fire is used both figuratively and literally.

With discernment, one can determine which way is being used."

You Deny Luke 17:29-30 Below As Being A (Literal) Event In Fire, It Clearlyteaches When Jesus ChristIs Reveaped, Its Gonna Be Just Like Sodom And Gomorrah, "Why" Do You Deny The Very Clear Teaching?

Sodom & Gomorrha were (Literally) Destroyed By Fire And Brimstone From Heaven.

This Same Event Of (Literal) Fire And Brimstone Will Take Place, At The (Second Coming) When The Lord Is Revealed, Luke 17:29-30

What you OPINE about the use of "fire" in Luke 17 is ONLY your own opinion.

What you miss is the discernment to realize that the "day of the Lord" includes everything between His return AND the GWT judgment.

Since most of humanity will have already died before He returns, they WON'T see His return. Nor will they see anything about the Millennial rule. So, just when WILL they see Him, or when WILL He be "revealed by fire"? At the GWT judgment, when they will be immediately cast into the lake of FIRE. That's when.

So, first, let's examine v.20 which is part of the whole context:

"20 Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed,"

So, your whole opinion about Jesus coming in FIRE is refuted by v.20. His coming IS NOT SOMETHIONG THAT CAN BE OBSERVED.

Now, 30 “It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed."

Since most of humanity will MISS Christ's return to earth, since they have already died and are NOT on earth, v.30 refers to the GWT judgment, when ALL of unbelieving humanity WILL be present and WILL see Him in His full glory. And that's WHEN "every knee will bow" before Him. Just before he casts them all into the lake of FIRE.

 

[FreeGrace2]

You Live In (Denial) Of Gods Clear Words Of Truth Presented Below.

Complete nonsense. You deny what "1,000 years" means.

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

Then please answer this: what does "when the 1,000 years ENDED" and "1,000 years ARE OVER" mean?

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

No, you just ignore ALL of Rev 20. So you prove that you are the denier of Scripture.

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

Yes, He will. AFTER the GWT judgment.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Wasn't it you that said the flood was not judgement?

Not even close. Of course it was. Clearly.

Seems you have a serious disability in understanding clear words.

 

[FreeGrace2]

oh yeah

Eliminate the verses and..... poooof!

Postrib rapture resounds in your circles.

OK, Mr pre-trib rapture man. Please share any verse that teaches that Jesus comes down in the clouds, glorifies all believers and takes them back up to heaven. What I call the HUGE U-turn.

Where are they?

You keep challenging others about "eliminating verses". Well, what verses indicate a HUGE U-turn?

Even a tiny U-turn.

None of you accept my challenge.

That's your problem. You CLAIM a pre-trib rapture, but you CAN'T prove it from Scripture.

What in the rapture verses scares you guys so bad?

I challenge you to "scare" me with any verse that you think teaches a pre-trib rapture.

I'll wait.

With popcorn.

lol

 

[Phoneman-777]

No doubt he never looks at the rapture verses or the bride / groom components.

Does he pull names out of his holster like you?
Jesuit
Futurist?
Left behind?..... that you criticize Jesus for?

Can't take you seriously friend.

He presents prophecy from the Protestant Historicist perspective, which so decimated the power of the papacy that they were forced to invent Jesuit “Left Behind” Futurist as a defensive diversionary tactic in response to Historicism’s accurate identification of the Papacy as Antichrist.

If you’d prefer to “wonder after the Beast” and defend the papacy, I won’t condemn you - the truth remains unknown to those unwilling to follow where it leads. But, others who are “willing to do His will” need to know the truth about what happened in church history and where popular eschatological errors originated.

 

[Absolutely]

OK, Mr pre-trib rapture man. Please share any verse that teaches that Jesus comes down in the clouds, glorifies all believers and takes them back up to heaven. What I call the HUGE U-turn.

Where are they?

You keep challenging others about "eliminating verses". Well, what verses indicate a HUGE U-turn?

Even a tiny U-turn.


That's your problem. You CLAIM a pre-trib rapture, but you CAN'T prove it from Scripture.


I challenge you to "scare" me with any verse that you think teaches a pre-trib rapture.

I'll wait.

With popcorn.

lol

Unpack this for us;
I will wait.
25 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.