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If it's comical, then the joke is on you because you're the one who claimed such a distinction while being unable to prove it from scripture.
Was the Garden of Eden, literally Heaven on Earth? Was the Earth already fallen except for the Garden?
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God tells Adam that the ground is cursed and 10 minutes later Adam is outside of the Garden. You have no argument.
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And?
Show us where God told Adam that only "the ground" inside of the garden was "cursed".
It's you who has no argument.
Instead, all you have is rewrites of scripture.
GOD DIDN'T CURSE THE GROUND.
If God didn't do it then it had already happened.
The Garden is a safe-zone.
If God didn't do it then it had already happened.
The Garden is a safe-zone.
You design a [system] that breaks under specific conditions. Until that condition is met, nothing is fallen. But then you allow that Design to face 2 options knowing the condition to fall increases in probability. And then you add time to the process of thought, knowing that reasoning alone, will create the breaking point.
Strictly, no. However, I challenge you to come up with a plausible alternative explanation.
Satan represents the hidden side (the Effect) of those choices Eve has to reason out.
We can entertain sin 24/7 and not be sinning unless we commit any acts of sin. Temptation, is the perfect example. You're not sinning at the point of temptation, you're sinning when you [act] to make that temptation a reality.
Non of you are grasping what it means for a high ranking angel to be the first to sin. To be the first to cause disorder in God's Kingdom. Satan was cast out ..that disorder had to go somewhere.
Eve was already tempted to eat of the [tree]. She made that temptation her own reality by "eating it" because this is where she sins at between her and God. He said, "Do Not Eat!." He didn't say you can't look at it, pick it off the tree, use it to throw at Adam, feed it to animals. God said for her and Adam not to eat of it.
I would encourage you to obtain and read Michael Heiser's The Unseen Realm. In it, he addresses this issue clearly.
Really, God made it so Satan had that sin to begin with. Satan doesn't even know why his drive to be against God is what it is because he is the CREATION of God!
Was it a physical border, or a spiritual border that Adam and Eve could not get back to?
They spiritually died on day 1 after eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge.
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Again with this same lie?
Show us, from scripture, where Satan was cast out of heaven.
He still has access to heaven as I type, so this is just one of many of your egregious errors here.
The [ultimate] evils we know who and what is Satan, was created for him by God. God gave Satan everything he has. So when Satan finally broke and went against God, Satan was only beginning to unleash that which God created for him to be able to do.
He put up guardian angels. But I'm fine with it being spiritual. We became separated from God.
As I already stated, God designed for the plan to break and need to be reestablished. You need to KNOW YOUR BIBLE before going off some hemp high tangent.