Was the Garden of Eden, literally Heaven on Earth? Was the Earth already fallen except for the Garden?
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If God didn't curse the ground ..it means it was already cursed outside of the Garden:
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
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First of all, at the end of "the sixth day" of creation, "God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good" (Gen. 1:31), so, obviously, nothing was cursed at this point in time.
Secondly, you're making a distinction between "the ground" in the garden and "the ground" outside of the garden, and the verse that you keep on quoting makes no such distinction.
Thirdly, according to what I've already cited for you from Romans chapter 8 twice, nothing on this earth fell or was cursed until after Adam sinned.
Again, that's reality, whether you like it or not.
Okay, the ball is back in your court, so to speak.
Seeing how everything that God had made was very good at the end of the sixth day of creation, show us where things allegedly became cursed between that time and the time of Adam's sin.
Good luck (not that I believe in luck) with that.
Secondly, you're making a distinction between "the ground" in the garden and "the ground" outside of the garden, and the verse that you keep on quoting makes no such distinction.
Thirdly, according to what I've already cited for you from Romans chapter 8 twice, nothing on this earth fell or was cursed until after Adam sinned.
Again, that's reality, whether you like it or not.
Okay, the ball is back in your court, so to speak.
Seeing how everything that God had made was very good at the end of the sixth day of creation, show us where things allegedly became cursed between that time and the time of Adam's sin.
Good luck (not that I believe in luck) with that.
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I'm not acting at all.
You've claimed, erroneously, that there is a distinction between "the ground" in the garden and "the ground" outside of the garden in relation to what was "cursed".
I've asked you to prove your assertion, and you've skirted my request for obvious reasons (because you cannot prove the same).
You've also claimed, erroneously, that "the ground" outside of the garden was "cursed" before Adam sinned, and the Bible refutes such a claim.
Now, would you like to attempt to actually prove your assertions or should we just expect more side-stepping on your part?
You've claimed, erroneously, that there is a distinction between "the ground" in the garden and "the ground" outside of the garden in relation to what was "cursed".
I've asked you to prove your assertion, and you've skirted my request for obvious reasons (because you cannot prove the same).
You've also claimed, erroneously, that "the ground" outside of the garden was "cursed" before Adam sinned, and the Bible refutes such a claim.
Now, would you like to attempt to actually prove your assertions or should we just expect more side-stepping on your part?
satan was in the garden prior to the fall.
At the time Jesus was tempted, the devil told Him:
Luke 4:5-8 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Adam and Eve were given dominion:
Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Adam and Eve forfeited dominion at the time of the fall.
At the time Jesus was tempted, the devil told Him:
Luke 4:5-8 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Adam and Eve were given dominion:
Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Adam and Eve forfeited dominion at the time of the fall.
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The Tree itself was not [fallen] but was the key focus to the "Condition" to which God gave unto Adam. The [Act of reasoning to disobey and eat the fruit] is where the fallen state exists at. The only [TREE] in the Garden that held a condition was the Tree of Life. That condition was eternal life.
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