Believers and non believers; what's the difference?

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throughfaith said:
So if you died today ,would you end up in hell ?
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1 Cor 4
Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
 
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Benadam said:
1 Cor 4
Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
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Out of context. I'm asking a question ? A question if we didn't ask ,how would we reach the lost ? Do we just sit back and assume everyone's saved ?
 
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My love for my neighbor surpasses my overcoming my carnal inclinations, and saves me, and awards me the kingdom of heaven as indicated in Luke 10 and Matthew 25. Do you not understand what Love is?
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Whilst on the surface this sounds pious and virtuous, what point is it if you never recieved Jesus ? John 1.12 . There are people that do far more than you , care for the sick ,elderly , give there lives for others but have never recieved Jesus and will be in hell unless they do . Refusing to believe on Jesus who died for our sins is as serious as it gets . Refusing to receive the only one who can save us is foolishness. Its a free gift which a person rejects when he tries another way to be Justified .
 
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1 Cor 4
Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
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Paul literally ' judged ' that peoples names were written in the book of life . The bible is written so that we can know we have eternal life , or not . If any person does not know this moment he will be with the Lord when he dies , its a major problem.
 
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Paul literally ' judged ' that peoples names were written in the book of life . The bible is written so that we can know we have eternal life , or not . If any person does not know this moment he will be with the Lord when he dies , its a major problem.
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Those on the left thought that too. Those on the right didn't.
 
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Out of context. I'm asking a question ? A question if we didn't ask ,how would we reach the lost ? Do we just sit back and assume everyone's saved ?
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Since I don't believe assuming my final end is good I don't understand why the question can be asked. A sure hope defines it better since that can be known.
 
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Since I don't believe assuming my final end is good I don't understand why the question can be asked. A sure hope defines it better since that can be known.
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'Hope ' is referring to the return of christ not on the believers position. Either your sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption, today , or your not at all . There is no grey area .
 
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Those on the left thought that too. Those on the right didn't.
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Are there people that ' think 'they are saved ? of course . We have so many religions and cults out there selling there 'truths '.
 
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The only people who think they are saved and are indeed not saved, are those who think they are so by their own works and merit.
The guy who goes to church on easter and never gives one thought about Jesus or God or spiritual things at all knows he ain't saved, because he knows he don't believe.
 
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Whilst on the surface this sounds pious and virtuous, what point is it if you never recieved Jesus ? John 1.12 . There are people that do far more than you , care for the sick ,elderly , give there lives for others but have never recieved Jesus and will be in hell unless they do .
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The people you speak of who love their neighbor by caring for the sick, the elderly and others, who you say never received Jesus and will thus be in Hell, are they whom the Lord refers to as His sheep in Matthew 25:33-40, who thought they did not know Jesus. They know love, and love knows them.

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Refusing to believe on Jesus who died for our sins is as serious as it gets . Refusing to receive the only one who can save us is foolishness. Its a free gift which a person rejects when he tries another way to be Justified .
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To believe ON Jesus is to believe IN Jesus, both of which mean to believe IN/ON what Jesus IS, which is Love. Remember there are going to be many at the judgment seat who are going to say to Jesus: "Lord Lord...", supposing they believed IN Jesus, to whom He/Love will say that He/Love never knew them.
 
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The people you speak of who love their neighbor by caring for the sick, the elderly and others, who you say never received Jesus and will thus be in Hell, are they whom the Lord refers to as His sheep in Matthew 25:33-40, who thought they did not know Jesus. They know love, and love knows them.

To believe ON Jesus is to believe IN Jesus, both of which mean to believe IN/ON what Jesus IS, which is Love. Remember there are going to be many at the judgment seat who are going to say to Jesus: "Lord Lord...", supposing they believed IN Jesus, to whom He/Love will say that He/Love never knew them.
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32And before him shall be gathered all NATIONS : and he shall separate THEM one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Mathew 7
15¶Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Sure this sounds like a person who believes in / on Jesus ?? lol Have you read the bible? I meant actually read it for yourself ??
 
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The people you speak of who love their neighbor by caring for the sick, the elderly and others, who you say never received Jesus and will thus be in Hell, are they whom the Lord refers to as His sheep in Matthew 25:33-40, who thought they did not know Jesus. They know love, and love knows them.

To believe ON Jesus is to believe IN Jesus, both of which mean to believe IN/ON what Jesus IS, which is Love. Remember there are going to be many at the judgment seat who are going to say to Jesus: "Lord Lord...", supposing they believed IN Jesus, to whom He/Love will say that He/Love never knew them.
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No the people im referring to are atheists , Mormons , Catholics, Jehovah witnesses ect .
 
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Notice
32And before him shall be gathered all NATIONS : and he shall separate THEM one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Mathew 7
15¶Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Sure this sounds like a person who believes in / on Jesus ?? lol Have you read the bible? I meant actually read it for yourself ??
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I have read the bible many times, and still do.
 
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No the people im referring to are atheists , Mormons , Catholics, Jehovah witnesses ect .
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If the atheists, Mormons, Catholics, Jehovah witnesses, ect., believe in loving their neighbor; they then believe IN/ON Christ, even if they (the atheists) do not verbally claim faith in Christ. God is love! If atheists believe in loving their neighbor, they then believe in God, despite claiming otherwise. The sheep in Matthew 25:33-40 were unaware of their faith in God.
 
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NATIONS , NATIONS , NATIONS . IT SAYS NATIONS !!! YOUR NOT READING THE VERSES .
 
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NATIONS , NATIONS , NATIONS . IT SAYS NATIONS !!! YOUR NOT READING THE VERSES .
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Look at the Samaritan example in Luke 10. He believed in loving his neighbor, who being a Jew was the enemy of Samaritans. Could Love do less for him?
 
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Look at the Samaritan example in Luke 10. He believed in loving his neighbor, who being a Jew was the enemy of Samaritans. Could Love do less for him?
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what has that verse have to do with you ?
 
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If the atheists, Mormons, Catholics, Jehovah witnesses, ect., believe in loving their neighbor; they then believe IN/ON Christ, even if they (the atheists) do not verbally claim faith in Christ. God is love! If atheists believe in loving their neighbor, they then believe in God, despite claiming otherwise. The sheep in Matthew 25:33-40 were unaware of their faith in God.
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So you believe an atheist who does not believe on Jesus, does not believe that Jesus died for his sins has not recieved Jesus ,or recieved the Holy spirit ,so long as he loves his neighbour he will make it to heaven ?
 
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