Good day Ahwatukee, They to whom the Lord will proclaim never having known are at the judgment seat, where they are making their case; appealing with: "Lord, Lord...". These are then cast out into the outer darkness, where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth, with no further room to appeal the verdict.
Believers and non believers; what's the difference?
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Do you understand that anyone without any true faith in God and His Christ who is love can mouth the words: "Jesus is Lord", and not mean it.
They who confess with their mouths the Lord Jesus, who are saved in Romans 10:9-10, are they who believe love (who is Jesus), being predominant in their hearts. These individuals (like the Samaritan in Luke 10, and the sheep in Matthew 25:33-40, who were unaware of their faith in loving their neighbor, being faith in God and His Christ who is love), profess their faith in Christ as Lord through love for their neighbor.
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
They who confess with their mouths the Lord Jesus, who are saved in Romans 10:9-10, are they who believe love (who is Jesus), being predominant in their hearts. These individuals (like the Samaritan in Luke 10, and the sheep in Matthew 25:33-40, who were unaware of their faith in loving their neighbor, being faith in God and His Christ who is love), profess their faith in Christ as Lord through love for their neighbor.
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Multiple things were different before that day in my 56th year.
I started writing my answer to you, and it turned into a book, so I just moved it to my diary and wrote the following:
1. I deeply loved Father, a Christian minister in our church, and hated Mother, a professed witch who was very active in that church. The hatred, not the love, affected everything in my life.
2. The pastor we had from my birth delighted in raging and snarling from the pulpit until his face literally turned purple and his neck turned deep red. He unnerved me, as did the church's use of "tongues."
3. In spite of my love for Father, there was no stability, nothing to trust in, at home, school, or church, but there Mother's abuse at home. Abuse for all of us.
4. Regardless, I started thinking about G_D at 14 and decided I wanted to be a believer because maybe G_D could make me nice. As I had been told to do, I went to their altar to pray, but when I heard Mother's voice, I claimed I was "saved," got up and left.
5. I did, however, start being interested in the Bible and asked one of the ministers (what I see now as a very simple question) about several verses in Genesis, and he acted like he'd never seen them, then said he didn't know the answer. Putting a lot of things together, I realized the leaders were completely biblically uneducated.
6. Three married pastors were inappropriate with me, increasing my disgust and distrust.
What set me up for being a believer was that the church kicked me out for refusing to remove my wedding ring, so I started attending a place I had already investigated and attended a few times over about 3 years. One night, during a class, I suddenly realized how filthy I was in spite of my confession. I nearly passed out on the floor, but with great effort, kept my seat and kept my face away from the other attendees. But I was changed. Completely. I felt like I lived the next weeks with my mouth hanging open, in shock, at the "new me": my attitudes, my responses, my thoughts!
What's your story?
My story?
I always had an interest, a draw if you will, to God and Christianity but wasn’t raised in church, not one of my family members went to church. Ever. I tried a few times throughout the years but always went back to filth.
At 38 I was living with the girl of my dreams, we were set to marry, dream job, money in escrow on our dream home but one day I said to her let’s start going to church. She went with me the first Sunday but I went the following 8 by myself. That 8th Sunday night I lay in bed tears streaming down my face as she slept. I knew I wasn’t living right and I simply prayed Father, what do you want me to do.
The next morning she said to me I think we’re drifting apart, I want to go home to visit my Dad. (You would have to know her to realize this was very uncharacteristic of her, throughout the years she had followed me into the deepest darkness without ever batting an eye.)
To me this was an answered prayer, I was ecstatic, overcome with joy 😂 Came home from work that day, moved all my things out...
Continued going to church, men’s prayer and men’s bible study. One day I came home from work opened my bible to Matthew and by the 18th chapter I was prostrate, overcome with simultaneous sorrow and joy. Sorrow for sinning against my perfect father and joy in realizing I truly believed in him.
Over the next year I read cover to cover multiple times while being amazed at the changes occurring. Changes I tried so hard to make all those years but could never quite grasp, now had become my new nature...
I’m very thankful for how my transition occurred because it left no room for questioning if I had been born from above.
Ive often wondered if those who profess faith at a young age, but actually get saved later, will realize when salvation truly occurred.
Guess you answered my question. Thanks @Beez
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Someone who wants to be saved, wants to be saved from their carnal inclinations to this world. We want to exchange our being servants to the flesh to being servants to the Spirit.
While the Samaritan in Luke 10, the sheep in Matthew 25:33-40, and many others throughout the millennia, may not have been saved from all their carnal inclinations while they were on the earth; their love for their neighbors will have covered up a multitude of their sins (1 Peter 4:8), so that are still awarded the kingdom of heaven.
While the Samaritan in Luke 10, the sheep in Matthew 25:33-40, and many others throughout the millennia, may not have been saved from all their carnal inclinations while they were on the earth; their love for their neighbors will have covered up a multitude of their sins (1 Peter 4:8), so that are still awarded the kingdom of heaven.
Oh, Seriously! Praise G_D!! This is so relative to what happened to me! Deep. Personal. Bless the L_RD!!
Thank you for telling me.
I had been married to my husband for 11 years when this happened, and he was shocked. He had no idea I was not a believer, but I am sure my first husband figured it out before he passed away. I was not as careful then.
Bless you, Nov 25, you have made my day!! Thank you!
Thank you for telling me.
I had been married to my husband for 11 years when this happened, and he was shocked. He had no idea I was not a believer, but I am sure my first husband figured it out before he passed away. I was not as careful then.
Bless you, Nov 25, you have made my day!! Thank you!
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Ok let's imagine God is quite capable of having the most important instruction there could be known to man , how to be saved . Let's imagine he'd want us not to be confused.
Let's read slowly .
8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Let's read slowly .
8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
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Those on the left weren't known by Jesus because they didn't give to the least 9f His brethren. They didn't see Him among them. Those on the right didn't see Him among them either but Jesus knew them because they had given to the least.
So the difference between the two is their love for others. Those on the right loved unconditionally. The love on the left was conditional.
So the difference between the two is their love for others. Those on the right loved unconditionally. The love on the left was conditional.
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The difference between the saved and unsaved .
The saved are sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption ( eph 4.30 )
The saved are predestined to Glorification. Rom 8.29 , Eph 1.5 .
The saved are ' in Christ '
They are circumcised by the circumcision made without hands ( Col 2 .
11¶In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
And many many other things .
The unsaved are still in Adam . They are heading for hell unless the receieve Jesus by faith ,through believing the Gospel. John 1.12 . 2cor 1.21 . 1cor 15.2-4
There is no grey area . There is no in-between or middle ground . If you have none of the above happened to you then you are unsaved . All the " im enduring till the end " ," perseverance of the saints garbage , commitment, Obedience , holiness movement, Lordship salvation ect makes no difference . What matters is the above.
The saved are sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption ( eph 4.30 )
The saved are predestined to Glorification. Rom 8.29 , Eph 1.5 .
The saved are ' in Christ '
They are circumcised by the circumcision made without hands ( Col 2 .
11¶In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
And many many other things .
The unsaved are still in Adam . They are heading for hell unless the receieve Jesus by faith ,through believing the Gospel. John 1.12 . 2cor 1.21 . 1cor 15.2-4
There is no grey area . There is no in-between or middle ground . If you have none of the above happened to you then you are unsaved . All the " im enduring till the end " ," perseverance of the saints garbage , commitment, Obedience , holiness movement, Lordship salvation ect makes no difference . What matters is the above.