Believers and non believers; what's the difference?

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There are many who claim they have received the Holy Spirit and are born again, who in truth are they in Matthew 7:23 to whom the Lord will profess never having known.
If we love one another, the Lord who is love, then knows us.
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' Knowing ' by God / Jesus is ' intimate ' As a son .

Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

8¶Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

9But now, after that ye have known God, OR RATHER ARE KNOWN OF GOD , how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

When God knows us a son then we are saved . Thats why Jesus will say about the false prophets in Mat 7 " I NEVER ! KNEW YOU "
 
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Those on the left weren't known by Jesus because they didn't give to the least 9f His brethren. They didn't see Him among them. Those on the right didn't see Him among them either but Jesus knew them because they had given to the least.

So the difference between the two is their love for others. Those on the right loved unconditionally. The love on the left was conditional.
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No love for others (their neighbor) on the left.
 
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Which verses are you thinking of when you say " God and his Christ " . What do you mean by that ?
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The Fathers Christ to us is Jesus. Jesus is also referred to as the Word, and as the Truth, and Light, and several other descriptions.
 
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' Knowing ' by God / Jesus is ' intimate ' As a son .

Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

8¶Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

9But now, after that ye have known God, OR RATHER ARE KNOWN OF GOD , how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

When God knows us a son then we are saved . Thats why Jesus will say about the false prophets in Mat 7 " I NEVER ! KNEW YOU "
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To be saved, means to be saved away from the weak and beggarly elements, to a new spiritual existence with the Lord.
Some of us, however, will choose to revert to their carnal inclinations, and thereby no longer be saved away from the weak and beggarly elements from which they were enslaved previously.
The superficial interpretation of salvation where someone who is full of sins, then claims their belief in Christ, but continues fully on with their carnal inclinations (sins), is not any kind of real salvation, but only in ones mind.
Does someone who believes IN Jesus' teachings (which are spiritual), continue on in their formal carnal sins, and still believe in Christs spiritual life? Counterintuitive isn't it?
I think this is why the Lord referred to the disciples as of little faith, when they were still very carnally inclined, and therefore still serving two masters at that time.
 
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luigi said:
To be saved, means to be saved away from the weak and beggarly elements, to a new spiritual existence with the Lord.
Some of us, however, will choose to revert to their carnal inclinations, and thereby no longer be saved away from the weak and beggarly elements from which they were enslaved previously.
The superficial interpretation of salvation where someone who is full of sins, then claims their belief in Christ, but continues fully on with their carnal inclinations (sins), is not any kind of real salvation, but only in ones mind.
Does someone who believes IN Jesus' teachings (which are spiritual), continue on in their formal carnal sins, and still believe in Christs spiritual life? Counterintuitive isn't it?
I think this is why the Lord referred to the disciples as of little faith, when they were still very carnally inclined, and therefore still serving two masters at that time.
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What you describing is essentially you working your way to heaven through good deeds .
 
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throughfaith said:
What you describing is essentially you working your way to heaven through good deeds .
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You may see me wanting to leave my sins as me working my way to heaven, but I see it as my voluntary decision to leave my sins (Romans 12:1) which I had been slave to, but thanks to the Lords sacrifice, I am now able to leave/overcome. We are all given the choice to overcome our carnal natures or to remain enslaved to them.

Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
 
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You may see me wanting to leave my sins as me working my way to heaven, but I see it as my voluntary decision to leave my sins (Romans 12:1) which I had been slave to, but thanks to the Lords sacrifice, I am now able to leave/overcome. We are all given the choice to overcome our carnal natures or to remain enslaved to them.

Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
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Yeah what your doing is randomly / arbitrarily going to verses that are about the Christian walk . But your glossing over the verses about the Christians 'position '. Our 'position 'is far more important than our walk . If your not saved then your walk is in vain .
 
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Yeah what your doing is randomly / arbitrarily going to verses that are about the Christian walk . But your glossing over the verses about the Christians 'position '. Our 'position 'is far more important than our walk . If your not saved then your walk is in vain .
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My being saved is ongoing as I continue overcoming my carnal inclinations.
 
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No love for others (their neighbor) on the left.
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Heir love was not the fruit of supernatural faith but love Jesus spoke 0f when He spoke to the unbelieving jews about knowing how to give good things to their children.
 
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Heir love was not the fruit of supernatural faith but love Jesus spoke 0f when He spoke to the unbelieving jews about knowing how to give good things to their children.
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Since the whole law is comprised in the two greatest commandments to love God with everything we have, and our neighbor as ourselves; I then recognize the goats in Matthew 25 as not having fulfilled either of the two greatest commandments, whereas the sheep in Matthew 25, by loving their neighbor, also loved God, who is love, and thus fulfilled the two greatest commandments, even though they were not trying. They believed IN love in their hearts, and thus their actions displayed their belief.
 
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Since the whole law is comprised in the two greatest commandments to love God with everything we have, and our neighbor as ourselves; I then recognize the goats in Matthew 25 as not having fulfilled either of the two greatest commandments, whereas the sheep in Matthew 25, by loving their neighbor, also loved God, who is love, and thus fulfilled the two greatest commandments, even though they were not trying. They believed IN love in their hearts, and thus their actions displayed their belief.
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Amen. When asked Jesus taught who our neighbor is.
 
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My being saved is ongoing as I continue overcoming my carnal inclinations.
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You could spend from now until you die overcoming carnal inclinations ,but if your not saved then its all in vain .
 
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You could spend from now until you die overcoming carnal inclinations ,but if your not saved then its all in vain .
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I disagree, if I continue to overcome my carnal inclinations then I am doing as directed by the Lord in Revelation chapters 2 & 3. Those who do not overcome their carnal inclinations are they who are not ultimately saved. Come on common sense says they who do not overcome their carnal inclinations are in love with their sins.
 
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So if you died today ,would you end up in hell ?
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If I died today I would hope my faith/belief in loving my neighbor as myself would be as the Samaritan in Luke 10, and the sheep in Matthew 25 who loved their neighbor. I would far more prefer these individuals positions to the faithless priest and rabbi who supposedly knew God, but did not love their neighbor.
 
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throughfaith said:
You could spend from now until you die overcoming carnal inclinations ,but if your not saved then its all in vain .
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My love for my neighbor surpasses my overcoming my carnal inclinations, and saves me, and awards me the kingdom of heaven as indicated in Luke 10 and Matthew 25. Do you not understand what Love is?
 
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luigi said:
My love for my neighbor surpasses my overcoming my carnal inclinations, and saves me, and awards me the kingdom of heaven as indicated in Luke 10 and Matthew 25. Do you not understand what Love is?
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So you save yourself.
Because your good deeds out weigh your sins?
 
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