My opinion as to why the UK (and other countries) are being locked down against the interests of the citizens

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Lucy-Pevensie

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thought it was cos of. the virus
any other thoughts on how to contain it?
large businesses have to lockdown too, and even if you dont go out to work, you still have to stay at home. Farmers for example, still need to farm. But since most farms farm the land they already live on, they dont need to travel every day.

yes lockdowns are hard on small businesses that is why there are wage subsidies to help. But if people in govt dont care about the common, ordinary people or the most vulnerable, then the govt is not representing their interests at all, vote them out.
Wage subsidies are all dried up. It's planet unemployment for many people now.
 
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My apologies if this post is not considered relevant.

Ultimately, it is in the interests of a government to increase GDP. In effect, GDP is the amount of money being spent by the population of the country.

Why is the government pro immigration? The more immigrants (particularly from more 'r selected' cultures whom will produce more children) there are, the higher the population will be. The higher the population, the more money being spent. The more money being spent, the higher the GDP. The higher the GDP, the more money individuals in governments will make.

Immigrants require money to live on. There are two avenues by which immigrants will receive money. One is by having a job. This will make the job market more competitive, and reduce quality of life for all workers. The second is via government assistance (welfare, benefits). The growth of the welfare state encourages government dependence. It also assures money is constantly being spent (increasing GDP).

Being a home owner will not increase GDP. It will increase an individuals net worth, but as they will most likely be saving money to afford the home, they will not be spending money regularly as one might with rent or a mortgage. As such whilst it is in the interests of an individual to own a home, it is not in the interests of the government. I also refer you to inheritance tax, in which the government is taxing any individuals who wish for their children (or others) to inherit their home. I am making this point to evidence my belief that the government does not care about the quality of life of the individual citizen.

The government would prefer its citizens be dependent. Thus they are forcibly closing small businesses.

Small businesses are a threat to government dependence. They also do not assure the government the same amount of money circulated as a big company. The governments would rather have several large businesses monopolise the market . Your local pub or gym has stricter hygiene and distancing measures in place than the local factory for a large business, yet whilst the pub or gym will be closed, the factory will remain open as before. The rich will get richer, the poor will get poorer. GDP will increase, and quality of life will fall.
WRONG right from the git go.

GDP is a measure of PRODUCTION, not spending. Go out and find a legitimate definition and read it.

Wealth is a measure of what a person or a nation can produce.

There is no definition in any financial world where debt or spending is a form of production.

American bankers would probably differ with my opinion, however. TV news, by which many are programmed into believing false information, often portrays success or failure of the market place by showing video clips of masses of people lined up at cash registers to give out money they haven't earned yet. The ultimate capitalist magic, according to Mark Twain, is advertising because it causes people to buy stuff they don't need with money they don't have. Ergo: Americans are fools when it comes to handling their money.

One of the stupidest ideas going around is the assumption that spending and debt = wealth.

Spending produces nothing. It's not production. Consumerism is the end of the line as far as production is concerned. Where are all the goods produced that Americans buy? CHINA. Go to Walmart and check it out. China is wealthy today because it produces much of what the world buys.

"On 16 September 1985, when the Commerce Department announced that the United States had become a debtor nation, the American Empire died." - Gore Vidal

All your yammering about the government this and the government that is totally and incredibly dumb and inaccurate.

BANKS benefit from consumer spending. When was the last time you bought something with a credit or debit card? Was that card issued by the government or by a BANK. Hello?

Banks love limited inflation because it causes debt. If inflation goes too far the economy crashes. When that happens the government bails out the banks - not the people who are out of work. Bankers have chains on everyone's neck (or wallet as it were). Banks win either way.

Small businesses are NOT a threat to the government. As long as they pay their taxes the government doesn't care. Small businesses are a threat to BIG businesses. Big business is in the business of driving small business out of business or of buying up their business so they can add it to their own.

I would recommend a brief course in economics at your local community college. You could use a good education.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
 

Nehemiah6

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Ultimately, it is in the interests of a government to increase GDP.
Since all governments are spending far more than what they should, this is not the real goal. The goal is TOTAL TYRANNICAL CONTROL of citizens who were guaranteed freedoms by their constitutions. IOW, it is a trashing of all constitutions in order to install totalitarianism. The UK has already gone into this mode.

And by bringing illegal migrants (not immigrants) into Western nations, it dilutes the number of legal citizens and leads to anarchy. Just check out all the news about countries which have been FLOODED with migrants.
 
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Might this Yank suggest to you Brits a bit of advice regarding Rape Jihad?

The British once came and tried to take away our guns...we shot them. We still have plenty of guns but no Brits.

It's time for you guys to take decisive action to protect your girls from these worshipers of "Allah", aka Satan, and his "prophet" Mohammed.
 
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WRONG right from the git go.

GDP is a measure of PRODUCTION, not spending. Go out and find a legitimate definition and read it.

Wealth is a measure of what a person or a nation can produce.

There is no definition in any financial world where debt or spending is a form of production.

American bankers would probably differ with my opinion, however. TV news, by which many are programmed into believing false information, often portrays success or failure of the market place by showing video clips of masses of people lined up at cash registers to give out money they haven't earned yet. The ultimate capitalist magic, according to Mark Twain, is advertising because it causes people to buy stuff they don't need with money they don't have. Ergo: Americans are fools when it comes to handling their money.

One of the stupidest ideas going around is the assumption that spending and debt = wealth.

Spending produces nothing. It's not production. Consumerism is the end of the line as far as production is concerned. Where are all the goods produced that Americans buy? CHINA. Go to Walmart and check it out. China is wealthy today because it produces much of what the world buys.

"On 16 September 1985, when the Commerce Department announced that the United States had become a debtor nation, the American Empire died." - Gore Vidal

All your yammering about the government this and the government that is totally and incredibly dumb and inaccurate.

BANKS benefit from consumer spending. When was the last time you bought something with a credit or debit card? Was that card issued by the government or by a BANK. Hello?

Banks love limited inflation because it causes debt. If inflation goes too far the economy crashes. When that happens the government bails out the banks - not the people who are out of work. Bankers have chains on everyone's neck (or wallet as it were). Banks win either way.

Small businesses are NOT a threat to the government. As long as they pay their taxes the government doesn't care. Small businesses are a threat to BIG businesses. Big business is in the business of driving small business out of business or of buying up their business so they can add it to their own.

I would recommend a brief course in economics at your local community college. You could use a good education.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
Thank you for taking the time to educate me somewhat.
 
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Since all governments are spending far more than what they should, this is not the real goal. The goal is TOTAL TYRANNICAL CONTROL of citizens who were guaranteed freedoms by their constitutions. IOW, it is a trashing of all constitutions in order to install totalitarianism. The UK has already gone into this mode.

And by bringing illegal migrants (not immigrants) into Western nations, it dilutes the number of legal citizens and leads to anarchy. Just check out all the news about countries which have been FLOODED with migrants.
The bottom line to your entire set of assertions is MONEY.

money money money Who's got the money?

At the end of World War II the United States had all the money. Actually the US had all the manufacturing capacity that survived the wreck and ruin of the war. America was able to PRODUCE all the goods the world needed from toasters to toothbrushes to cars. American bankers also seized upon the opportunity to LOAN money to all the nations recovering from the war so they could buy American stuff. The World Bank, an arm of American hegemony, was established. Crippling loans were made available to nations that wanted money to build or rebuild infrastructure. READ HISTORY.

As time went by many nations returned to a market economy and succeeded in recreating their manufacturing capacity. BUT they still had large loans out to American bankers. Thus it was established in the post war era that America either provided or manipulated the world economy. The US dollar has been the media of exchange throughout the world since that time until today. No nation can trade with other nations without it. (Incidentally, the book of Revelation speaks of the partnership of Sea beast and Earth beast creating a monopoly on the world's ability to barter. That prophecy has been fulfilled in our time by the US backed dollar as well as US & European banking cartel.)

Immigrants, who pay no taxes to support public services, bleed public money into their empty pockets. THIS IS the issue in America and Europe and anywhere a large number of immigrants invade an established economy. They are parasites that suck the life blood from a thriving nation.

American politicians accuse them of all sorts of evil things, but deny the primary problem of demand for support from public money. THAT is the crucial issue, not some sort of ethnic superiority that's being insulted. When immigrants pay no taxes, the public monetary system is in jeopardy of collapse.

It's interesting to me that the media in America doesn't touch on this very real MONEY issue.

It's all about the money. Always.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft.....
 
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Might this Yank suggest to you Brits a bit of advice regarding Rape Jihad?

The British once came and tried to take away our guns...we shot them. We still have plenty of guns but no Brits.

It's time for you guys to take decisive action to protect your girls from these worshipers of "Allah", aka Satan, and his "prophet" Mohammed.
You shot them? You mean the British shot the British.
 
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You shot them? You mean the British shot the British.
When the king of Britain's soldiers tried to take our guns, we American colonists shot them...which is why today there are 400 million guns here but no king's soldiers.
 
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When the king of Britain's soldiers tried to take our guns, we American colonists shot them...which is why today there are 400 million guns here but no king's soldiers.
'We'. You're referring to British people.
 

Magenta

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You mean the British.
No, I mean the Brits, just as I said.

noun Informal. Briton (def. 1). ORIGIN OF BRIT First recorded in 1900–05;
by shortening DEFINITION FOR BRIT (3 OF 3) Brit. abbreviation Britain. British.
 
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Didn't a person have to be subject to the authority of the king of Britain in order to be considered "British"?
No. 'British' refers to the ethnic groups of the British Isles. What accents did you imagine the 'Americans' who gained independence from Great Britain had?
 
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No, I mean the Brits, just as I said.

noun Informal. Briton (def. 1). ORIGIN OF BRIT First recorded in 1900–05;
by shortening DEFINITION FOR BRIT (3 OF 3) Brit. abbreviation Britain. British.
Erm what
 
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The colonists were technically british subjects, but they were rebels fighting for their independence from Britain.
 
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No. 'British' refers to the ethnic groups of the British Isles. What accents did you imagine the 'Americans' who gained independence from Great Britain had?
One thing's for sure...the ones who moved down to Virginia definitely develop a Southern Drawl faster than a jackrabbit during mating season.