Calvinists are preaching a false message .

[phil36]

FYI the flesh is not saved.

Is that what my post was saying?

 

[throughfaith]

I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.

Yes Israel. Its saying in Ezekiel 36 that this will happen to Israel in the future . The verse says they will be caused to follow Gods statutes and laws . That is not for the Church . We are not ' caused to follow those requirements. And we are not Israel . It never says anything other than Israel .

 

[throughfaith]

I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.

I asked Which verse in the new testament ( which is after the death of christ BTW)says that we get a new heart ? You quoted Ezekiel 36 ? Why ?

 

[phil36]

I meant every word I said. If a dead man can not come to faith he can not as John say receive him to be given the power to become gods son if I have no ability to receive him I can not be saved

I just responded to what you wrote about producing faith brother. Whether it is to me or anyone else. No on thinks this. So it is one of those things where you have been misled about what other think.

(---Here is what you said: ---)

--whoever told you we believe we produce faith apart from Christ has misled you plain and simple. I know of no one who believes this --

Here is what I actually said ---

Yes. But it was not regeneration. As I showed regeneration occurred after I called out. Not before. God was changing my Mind (renewing my heart) by what happened in the time up until I said yes

[/quote][/QUOTE]

I'm afraid you didn't show anything from scripture to prove your point.. You shared what you thought. This last thing above is confusing. One minute you say your are renewed after your decision. Then you say this? ===

EG --"God was changing my Mind (renewing my heart) by what happened in the time up until I said yes" ---

It sounds like to me you actually know that God changed your heart so that you would cry out yes in faith, Just as scripture say's:

Isaiah 64:6

We have all become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment.
We all fade like a leaf,
and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.


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Ephesians 2:1-5

And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—

 

[throughfaith]

Here is what I actually said ---

[/QUOTE]

I'm afraid you didn't show anything from scripture to prove your point.. You shared what you thought. This last thing above is confusing. One minute you say your are renewed after your decision. Then you say this? ===

EG --"God was changing my Mind (renewing my heart) by what happened in the time up until I said yes" ---

It sounds like to me you actually know that God changed your heart so that you would cry out yes in faith, Just as scripture say's:

Isaiah 64:6

We have all become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment.
We all fade like a leaf,
and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.


-----------

Ephesians 2:1-5

And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—[/QUOTE]
Yes we were not saved before we were saved. We belived the Gospel THEN AFTER we were regenerated / quickened.

 

[throughfaith]

I'm afraid you didn't show anything from scripture to prove your point.. You shared what you thought. This last thing above is confusing. One minute you say your are renewed after your decision. Then you say this? ===

EG --"God was changing my Mind (renewing my heart) by what happened in the time up until I said yes" ---

It sounds like to me you actually know that God changed your heart so that you would cry out yes in faith, Just as scripture say's:

Isaiah 64:6

We have all become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment.
We all fade like a leaf,
and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.


-----------

Ephesians 2:1-5

And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—[/QUOTE]
Yes we were not saved before we were saved. We belived the Gospel THEN AFTER we were regenerated / quickened.[/QUOTE]Its DEAD in a sense . Its not the spin Calvinism ( Augustine) puts on it . Were not physically dead . We go to work , we eat , and walk around ( Thats pretty much all we do at the moment, with the Covid situation lol )

 

[phil36]

I asked Which verse in the new testament ( which is after the death of christ BTW)says that we get a new heart ? You quoted Ezekiel 36 ? Why ?

Hi Throughfaith, sorry about that I was assuming you would see the connection of the New Covenant. My fault.

But here you:-


Ezekial 36:26 cf. Psalm 51:10; Jer 32:39.


I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.


cf.

Hebrews 8:10

This is the covenant
I will establish with the people of Israel after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God, and they will be my people.


2 Cor 3:3

You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.


1 Thessolonians 3:13

To the end he may establish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

 

[throughfaith]

Hi Throughfaith, sorry about that I was assuming you would see the connection of the New Covenant. My fault.

But here you:-


Ezekial 36:26 cf. Psalm 51:10; Jer 32:39.


I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.


cf.

Hebrews 8:10

This is the covenant
I will establish with the people of Israel after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God, and they will be my people.


2 Cor 3:3

You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.


1 Thessolonians 3:13

To the end he may establish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

I should have clarified ' that is not about Israel '
10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my LAWS into THEIR ( ISRAEL) mind, and write them in THEIR ( ISRAEL ) hearts: and I will be to THEM ( ISRAEL ) a God, and they shall be to me a people (ISRAEL )

11And they ( ISRAEL ) shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all ( ISRAEL ) shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

 

[phil36]

I should have clarified ' that is not about Israel '
10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my LAWS into THEIR ( ISRAEL) mind, and write them in THEIR ( ISRAEL ) hearts: and I will be to THEM ( ISRAEL ) a God, and they shall be to me a people (ISRAEL )

11And they ( ISRAEL ) shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all ( ISRAEL ) shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

And you not think something was in view here... you probably be the only christian I know who doesn't see the connection.

 

[throughfaith]

Hi Throughfaith, sorry about that I was assuming you would see the connection of the New Covenant. My fault.

But here you:-


Ezekial 36:26 cf. Psalm 51:10; Jer 32:39.


I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.


cf.

Hebrews 8:10

This is the covenant
I will establish with the people of Israel after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God, and they will be my people.


2 Cor 3:3

You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.


1 Thessolonians 3:13

To the end he may establish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

Ezekial 36:26 cf. Psalm 51:10; Jer 32:39.


I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh
ISRAEL . Calvinists are not the new Israel.

 

[throughfaith]

And you not think something was in view here... you probably be the only christian I know who doesn't see the connection.

You need to get out more . Well after the pandemic. its because you've been sold replacement/ covenant theology garbage . The bible says ' Israel ' and actually means Israel .
Yes and don't knee jerk by mis quoting " Not all Israel are ...blah blah .. out of context.

 

[throughfaith]

And you not think something was in view here... you probably be the only christian I know who doesn't see the connection.

Which verse says there is a connection ? Don't you think it would say what you believe, to be clear? I see it says Israel. I believe the bible on this.

 

[phil36]

I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh
ISRAEL . Calvinists are not the new Israel.[/QUOTE]


So what do you think Ezekial was saying

I should have clarified ' that is not about Israel '
10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my LAWS into THEIR ( ISRAEL) mind, and write them in THEIR ( ISRAEL ) hearts: and I will be to THEM ( ISRAEL ) a God, and they shall be to me a people (ISRAEL )

11And they ( ISRAEL ) shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all ( ISRAEL ) shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

And when did that happen?

 

[throughfaith]

I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh
ISRAEL . Calvinists are not the new Israel.

So what do you think Ezekial was saying




And when did that happen?[/QUOTE] its not happened yet . It will happen future. But let's go crazy and say that what and whenever doesn't matter , just to make a point..its still about Israel. No matter how you try slice it . Its saying Israel .
Just as if we heard on the news that Brazil will host the Olympic games in the year 2030 ..We understand its BRAZIL who will be hosting .

 

[phil36]

So what do you think Ezekial was saying




And when did that happen? its not happened yet . It will happen future. But let's go crazy and say that what and whenever doesn't matter , just to make a point..its still about Israel. No matter how you try slice it . Its saying Israel .
Just as if we heard on the news that Brazil will host the Olympic games in the year 2030 ..We understand its BRAZIL who will be hosting .

Ezekiel 31:33 may be a clue for you.

 

[phil36]

Yes and don't knee jerk by mis quoting " Not all Israel are ...blah blah .. out of context.

Hi throughfaith,

What do you by " misquoting ... blah blah blah...out context. So what would be Not all Israel are Israel in context be'?

Stay calm my friend it's only a conversation

 

[phil36]

Anyhow throughfaith,

I think we should just leave it there brother. And just agree that we disagree

Have a blessed evening throughfaith

 

[Edify]

Do you know if we can post preaching videoes on CC? I posted a thread today & I can't find it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Here is what I actually said ---

Phil36" said:
Yes. But it was not regeneration. As I showed regeneration occurred after I called out. Not before. God was changing my Mind (renewing my heart) by what happened in the time up until I said yes

no here is what I responded to brother. Please not the bolded part of your post

Once you have a new heart you won't want to say no? I know you don't believe one can lose their salvation.

It's only by having a new heart can you have faith/believe in Jesus. But Faith indeed you must have. Dead men don't have faith.

If you say that a man dead in sin can produce his own faith, even if with a nudge, then it is works righteousness which I know you don't believe either. It's sounds like to me that you are saying your faith was the grounds for your regeneration.

This is where I see a glaring contradiction in synergistic OSAS.

But I also know we can both say: the Bible teaches that we are not saved by works, but by God’s grace through His gift of faith (Ephesians 2:8-9).

Faith itself self is given to us from God.. The dead man has no ability to have faith.

nothing in the post says what you are now claiming you said concerning my origional response, so now I am confused

I'm afraid you didn't show anything from scripture to prove your point.. You shared what you thought. This last thing above is confusing. One minute you say your are renewed after your decision.

now I am really confused, I made the following statement and you did not respond to any of these statement, I am sure you can recognize the scripture I used,

I do not get a new heart until I recieve it, but as many as recieved him TO THEM he gave the right to become children of God even to those who BELIEVE on his name
and yes once we recieve that knew heart via the new life and seal of the spirit, we are sealed forever

again, this is backwards
john did not say but as many as are born again have been given the right to become childre of God so they could believe in his name

paul did not say for it is by grace we have been saved so that we can have faith

the Tax collector had enough faith to fall on his knee and call out for Gods mercy, Jesus said he went home justified because of that small faith

it does not take great faith to be saved, God grows our faith as we walk, remember faith of a mustard seed moves mountains, as the man who witnessed Jesus healing power said, I believe help me with my unbelief..
even in his lack of faith Jesus answered his prayer

as you see I used multiple points of scripture, so why would you say I used none?

Then you say this? ===
EG --"God was changing my Mind (renewing my heart) by what happened in the time up until I said yes" ---

It sounds like to me you actually know that God changed your heart so that you would cry out yes in faith, Just as scripture say's:

Isaiah 64:6

We have all become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment.
We all fade like a leaf,
and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.


-----------

Ephesians 2:1-5

And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—

again, you did the same thing As an earlier poster did, you left the part out where paul said how this all came to be

Eph 2: 8-9 for it is by grace we have been saved THROUGH FAITH,..... not of works lest anyone should boast

again, paul did not say for by grace we have been saved so that we may have faith otherwise it would be works or however it would have to be

here paul plainly states faith is not a work, it is part of the salvation process

 

[phil36]

Do you know if we can post preaching videoes on CC? I posted a thread today & I can't find it.[/QUOTE



Its probably that your post hasn't been ok'd yet. ? Possibly?

Just ask one of the moderators and they can help you Edify.