Did mind–body dualism exist before original sin?

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pittsburghjoe

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We have a soul and body today, but were we just a soul beforehand?

Mind–body dualism sounds like wave-particle duality to me. Would that mean we were quantum waves before sin?

Does sin have something to do with physical objects?
 
pittsburghjoe

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How does someone 2000 years ago describe quantum waves? "Dust" is as close as they are going to get.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
How does someone 2000 years ago describe quantum waves? "Dust" is as close as they are going to get.
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"Dust," more than two thousand years ago, describes the elements of the earth.

Genesis was written long before Christ's incarnation ;)

You are not going to "wake half the world" by redefining sin.
 
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Stop thinking [sin] all day long, thinking something beautiful in kingdom of god.

Sin have something to do with our flesh body, cuz tree of knowledge of good and evil which we have eat then sin enter into our blood and flesh body.

Since we knew good and evil, we have choice between good and evil.

wave-particle duality only for light.photon
[sin has nothing to do with it.]
we are not light.photon

Adam was made by dust,and Eve was made by bone and flesh which from Adam.
 
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The third question is very interesting and not to be dismissed out of hand. God's laws and right governing of the universe proceed from the molecular level on up. The trouble is many "scientific laws" as we know them are not in the revealed Word of God, so connections between the two should be made with caution.

Have to chew on this one for a bit.

pittsburghjoe said:
We have a soul and body today, but were we just a soul beforehand?

Mind–body dualism sounds like wave-particle duality to me. Would that mean we were quantum waves before sin?

Does sin have something to do with physical objects?
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pittsburghjoe

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The perception of Satan causes physicality. You don't need physical objects when you are waves in a wave reality.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
The perception of Satan causes physicality.
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So now, in your view, God is physical, and not Spirit?

Since God definitely perceives Satan...

"God is Spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth."

Your views are quite far off from being Biblical. Or truth.
 
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Not getting even a Quantum of solace with this topic.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
We have a soul and body today, but were we just a soul beforehand?

Mind–body dualism sounds like wave-particle duality to me. Would that mean we were quantum waves before sin?

Does sin have something to do with physical objects?
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both waves and particles are physical

the soul is not physical and is not made up of either waves or particles
 
pittsburghjoe

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The fallen reality is the physical reality. You don't claim unobserved waves are real ..so they are not physical either.
 
pittsburghjoe

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They are in superposition when unobsereved ..they can't be physical because their weight and energy would multiply from being in more than one place at a time.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
We have a soul and body today, but were we just a soul beforehand?

Mind–body dualism sounds like wave-particle duality to me. Would that mean we were quantum waves before sin?

Does sin have something to do with physical objects?
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why on earth are you asking such a strange question ?
 
pittsburghjoe

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Why do I want scientific evidence of sin? Why do I want to wake the sleeping?
 
pittsburghjoe

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They said something similar. It's weird that you would rather millions burn over a technicality as dust being waves.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
They are in superposition when unobsereved ..they can't be physical because their weight and energy would multiply from being in more than one place at a time.
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all waves have a particle nature and all particles have a wave nature

both natures are physical

the soul has neither of these natures
 
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