Did mind–body dualism exist before original sin?

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"John Wheeler proposed one solution, that the universe was only a quantum wave until humans came along to interact with it and cause the collapse backwards in time. Hawking wrote that history happens backwards in time rather than forwards." - Andy Fletcher

Original Sin started this fallen reality.
 
pittsburghjoe said:
"John Wheeler proposed one solution, that the universe was only a quantum wave until humans came along to interact with it and cause the collapse backwards in time. Hawking wrote that history happens backwards in time rather than forwards." - Andy Fletcher

Original Sin started this fallen reality.
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no.

humans can't observe things below the Plank level. humans can't observe distant stars. humans can't observe things in darkness. humans don't observe secret things. Adam wasn't created when the heavens and the earth were formed. when the sea and the dry land were given form. when the green herbs sprouted and the insects crept among them.

it is God that collapses the wave; the secret things belong to God. it is God from Whom nothing is hidden; it is God who makes the seeing eye and the hearing ear. the lot is cast in the lap, but its every turning is of the LORD.
 
pittsburghjoe said:
"John Wheeler proposed one solution, that the universe was only a quantum wave until humans came along to interact with it and cause the collapse backwards in time. Hawking wrote that history happens backwards in time rather than forwards." - Andy Fletcher

Original Sin started this fallen reality.
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why do you think John Wheeler is a more reliable source than the bible ???

the bible clearly says that God created the heavens and the earth
 
taylorswiftfan said:
don't angels have souls ???

I doubt that angels have physical bodies though I could be wrong ???
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The life principle of organic matter is called soul. Plant and animal souls are products of earthly processes. All but the human animal that possesses powers that don't originate in organic matter. Powers distinct from the sensitive powers found in all animals.
The human soul possesses spiritual powers natural to pure spirits. Pure intellects or spirits meaning they possess no material component as does man.

Man is a composite of material and spiritual. After the fall the material obeys a different law because since it will die must survive. This puts it in rebellion with the human spirit. Which is the intellect. The power to receive truth and freely will.
 
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If you are quantum waves in a wave universe, do you have any idea that you are not physical?

Isn't it more likely God would first create a Universe without the disorder of entropy?
 
Benadam said:
The life principle of organic matter is called soul. Plant and animal souls are products of earthly processes. All but the human animal that possesses powers that don't originate in organic matter. Powers distinct from the sensitive powers found in all animals.
The human soul possesses spiritual powers natural to pure spirits. Pure intellects or spirits meaning they possess no material component as does man.

Man is a composite of material and spiritual. After the fall the material obeys a different law because since it will die must survive. This puts it in rebellion with the human spirit. Which is the intellect. The power to receive truth and freely will.
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thank you :)
 
Benadam said:
The life principle of organic matter is called soul. Plant and animal souls are products of earthly processes. All but the human animal that possesses powers that don't originate in organic matter. Powers distinct from the sensitive powers found in all animals.
The human soul possesses spiritual powers natural to pure spirits. Pure intellects or spirits meaning they possess no material component as does man.

Man is a composite of material and spiritual. After the fall the material obeys a different law because since it will die must survive. This puts it in rebellion with the human spirit. Which is the intellect. The power to receive truth and freely will.
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I did a quick internet search about the stuff you said and the only websites that agree with what you just said are catholic ???

is what you just said things that only catholics believe ???

I just want to know because im not catholic

thank you :)
 
pittsburghjoe said:
If you are quantum waves in a wave universe, do you have any idea that you are not physical?

Isn't it more likely God would first create a Universe without the disorder of entropy?
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what's your obsession with an ignorant existence?

:rolleyes:
 
Sin/death is only possible for humans in a place like this fallen reality. That's why Satan is known for both sin and death.
Jesus took away Satan's claim on everyone here as long as they believe in Jesus.
 
Benadam said:
The life principle of organic matter is called soul. Plant and animal souls are products of earthly processes. All but the human animal that possesses powers that don't originate in organic matter. Powers distinct from the sensitive powers found in all animals.
The human soul possesses spiritual powers natural to pure spirits. Pure intellects or spirits meaning they possess no material component as does man.

Man is a composite of material and spiritual. After the fall the material obeys a different law because since it will die must survive. This puts it in rebellion with the human spirit. Which is the intellect. The power to receive truth and freely will.
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I think this is the catholic understanding of the soul and that it came from Aristotle

im not catholic so I dont agree with it
 
pittsburghjoe said:
If you are quantum waves in a wave universe, do you have any idea that you are not physical?

Isn't it more likely God would first create a Universe without the disorder of entropy?
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Before the fall that is what made mankind distinct. It made human dignity visible.
 
taylorswiftfan said:
I did a quick internet search about the stuff you said and the only websites that agree with what you just said are catholic ???

is what you just said things that only catholics believe ???

I just want to know because im not catholic

thank you :)
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😳 It's Catholic ! Lol I love truth wherever it's found.
I'm Catholic but...
I believe things that stand up to reason and best describe what I believe is real.

Believing in the view I described doesn't make anyone Catholic.
Lots of noncatholics find it reasonable.
 
Benadam said:
😳 It's Catholic ! Lol I love truth wherever it's found.
I'm Catholic but...
I believe things that stand up to reason and best describe what I believe is real.

Believing in the view I described doesn't make anyone Catholic.
Lots of noncatholics find it reasonable.
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tbh I dont believe in a "vegetative soul"

I don't think things like growth and reproduction need a soul ???
 
The brain is using the same thing we see in interference patterns. The physical brain is translating what we are thinking from it. Alzheimer's disease shows a signal that gets messed up from a physical brain that is mushy. All quantum effects can be attributed to interference. All quantum effects have to be unobserved and coherent.

A soul connects to the Vector Field of Waves.

Brain activity before you actually react to an event that didn't happen yet.

https://www.wired.com/2008/04/mind-decision/

The physical brain is a playback device.
 
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