Who is Jesus?

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If God was at the beginning, and it was not until God spoke that Jesus began to exist, God predates Jesus in your opinion. You deny the eternality of our Lord. I will be reporting you for heresy.
No, Jesus has eternal life. He has life in himself. It is his life that gives us eternal life.
 
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Actually we can comprehend this very easily.

Firstly we are two beings, we are spirit and flesh. Our flesh is mortal, corrupted by sin and belongs to Satan. Our spirit is through God un-corrupted. Then we have a third given to us and grafted into us, the Holy Spirit.

But there is another way to easily understand the trinity.

We know though quantum mechanics, and other stuff such as planck length, and electron split theory (tied to quantum mechanics).

That our dimension is fake, or a computer simulation. This is an undisputed fact. We also know that multiple dimensions exist, the amount of which is in debate (not to be confused with multiple universe theory which is bogus).

To understand God, it would best be done through the terms of computers, as they are for all intents and purposes another dimension.

You the user typing on the keyboard would be God, if you had an admin account those admin privileges would be the Holy Spirit, and the posting in which people see would be Jesus.

If you are familiar with video games, You yourself using the controller would be God, the console command menu or manipulation of data would be the Holy Spirit, and the character you are playing would be Jesus.


This easily demonstrates that God is 1 person in multiple forms or dimensions. I hope this helped with your question.
Fantastic comment.
 
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Does God predate Jesus?
There are "two" that have life in themselves, the Father and the Son. All other living beings in all creation do not have life in themselves but have their life in either the Father or the Son. So to answer your question does God predate Jesus the answer is yes but not anymore because Jesus has eternal life in himself.
 

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But I have a different understanding,
Jesus said:The father is in me, I am in the father.
Jesus is son of man and son of god, that's it.
Jesus has his own personality,But God made Jesus, just like a mould made a mold,The mould is god,and The mold is Jesus.God made Jesus both in spirit and flesh.

but God hides himself in Jesus to show his true image.We see Jesus in the image of both Jesus and God.
Most of The time is the personality of God.
cuz we saw The mould and mold at The same time.

see Matt 26:39

This is more difficult to describe and imagine. It's like your personality is similar to your father or mother, but you still have your own personality.

God lives in Jesus, spiritually.It's not just living in it, it's like Jesus and the spirit of God are united.

Our bodies are the temple of God.but we are not holy as Jesus.
 
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There are "two" that have life in themselves, the Father and the Son. All other living beings in all creation do not have life in themselves but have their life in either the Father or the Son. So to answer your question does God predate Jesus the answer is yes but not anymore because Jesus has eternal life in himself.
I will be reporting you for heresy.
 
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But I have a different understanding,
Jesus said:The father is in me, I am in the father.
Jesus is son of man and son of god, that's it.
Jesus has his own personality,But God made Jesus, just like a mould made a mold,The mould is god,and The mold is Jesus.God made Jesus both in spirit and flesh.

but God hides himself in Jesus to show his true image.We see Jesus in the image of both Jesus and God.
Most of The time is the personality of God.
cuz we saw The mould and mold at The same time.

see Matt 26:39

This is more difficult to describe and imagine. It's like your personality is similar to your father or mother, but you still have your own personality.

God lives in Jesus, spiritually.It's not just living in it, it's like Jesus and the spirit of God are united.

Our bodies are the temple of God.but we are not holy as Jesus.
Denying the trinity? HERESY
 

soberxp

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Denying the trinity? HERESY
Emmanuel
meaning god wishes to live with human.
and god lives in Jesus.
The bible didn't tell us Jesus is god himself.only Jesus is The image of god who can not seen by man.

I don't deny the Trinity.

Jesus is united with God and the Holy Spirit.
 
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Emmanuel
meaning god wishes to live with human.
and god lives in Jesus.
The bible didn't tell us Jesus is god himself.only Jesus is The image of god who can not seen by man.

I don't deny the Trinity.

Jesus is united with God and the Holy Spirit.
So Jesus is God manifest in human flesh?
 
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It is my understanding that Jesus is fully human and fully divine (FHaFD). It is also my understanding that Jesus has always existed and always will (saying anything to the contrary would have me kicked out of here for heresy). It is also my understanding that Adam was the first human.
What do you think then of Psalm 2:7, Acts 13:33, Hebrews 1:5 and 5:5? All say that God "begat" Jesus "this day". The word "begat" indicates that He had a beginning, and "this day" implies creation for a "day" is a measure of time and a part of creation.
 
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What do you think then of Psalm 2:7, Acts 13:33, Hebrews 1:5 and 5:5? All say that God "begat" Jesus "this day". The word "begat" indicates that He had a beginning, and "this day" implies creation for a "day" is a measure of time and a part of creation.
What you are suggesting is in contradiction of the eternality of Jesus.

'The subject of Christ’s eternality deals with the fact that He has always existed as a person from eternity past, with no beginning and no end'

You have been reported for this heresy.
 

soberxp

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What you are suggesting is in contradiction of the eternality of Jesus.

'The subject of Christ’s eternality deals with the fact that He has always existed as a person from eternity past, with no beginning and no end'

You have been reported for this heresy.
Does life have a beginning and an end? He represents life. Life is the beginning and the end of everything。
 

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Some people on this site really sadden me...Why all the arguing and reporting others? Someone starts a thread asking a question, and then report others for giving their opinion. :rolleyes:
 

soberxp

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So Jesus is God manifest in human flesh?
What Jesus shows is the thought of God, which is invisible.You can't see my mind.
Jesus was The only one who was made for The purpose,god wants us to understand him from spiritual.
Jesus has a holy spirit mind as god,and god lives in Jesus,so called Trinity.

but if someone tell me Jesus is god, I would say that he never understand bible.
 
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Does life have a beginning and an end? He represents life. Life is the beginning and the end of everything。
Whether Jesus 'represents' life or not, you stated that Jesus was 'begat', thus denying his eternality. You have been reported for heresy.
 
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Some people on this site really sadden me...Why all the arguing and reporting others? Someone starts a thread asking a question, and then report others for giving their opinion. :rolleyes:
I did not make the rules. It is my understanding that particular 'heresies' are not tolerated on this site. Should I not report those whom break such rules? If you are not a heretic, you have nothing to fear.
 

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The nature of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is another subject and a big one at that.... But who is Jesus is what we are talking about...
Jesus is God ( most agree with that) 100% fully divine. And 100% fully human, how this happened and how it was able to be, i can't explain.
It had to be that way or our salvation was not possible.

For humans to be reconnected to God the divine. we needed Jesus to reach across the gulf that sin has made and hold the Father with His divine connection and hold us with the human connection. We are restored through Jesus.

Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Mat_26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
Luk_22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
Joh_5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Jesus had His own will, but showed us that following the Fathers will is the perfect way, but He did have his own will.
Jesus can't be the Father in human form, because Jesus stands before the father in Heaven as high priest and Jesus had to choose between His Fathers will and His own will. 2 separate beings. They are one in Character and one in their purpose and love for the universe, they are both perfect and Jesus reflected that to us so that we can see the Father in the life of Jesus.

when the sins of mankind were placed on Jesus, was Jesus separated from the Father for a time? Was Jesus guilty for a time. When we sin we are separated from God and the result is death. How did Jesus die? because of sin, which means the Father and Jesus were separated for a time. Jesus didn't die from the physical suffering, He was surprisingly dead way before the other 2 that were crucified. Jesus died from the separation caused by sin. Sin Killed Him.

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
 

CS1

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Some people on this site really sadden me...Why all the arguing and reporting others? Someone starts a thread asking a question, and then report others for giving their opinion. :rolleyes:
that is because the post was started under false pretenses. This is like the third post asking the same question in a different way.

One thing that many have failed to mention is God is the SELF-Exsistant ONE. Eternal and so is the GodHead which is seen in Genesis chapter one and in John chapter one and in Romans chapter one. NO one person can fully comprehend the Eternal God's head. The Infinite God doesn't need to explain HIS eternal existence to the created. However, God has chosen to reveal Himself :

1. By "General Revelation" the things HE created Rom 1 and Gen 1-3
2. By Special Revelation HIS word
3. By Relationship through HIS SON by the Holy Spirit.

Jesus is the very expression of the living God known as the " Word" or Logos see John chapter one. the Incarnation of Christ is God revealing Himself in the flesh because No man could see God and Live as Jesus said IF you have seen me YOU have seen the Father also. Jesus is fully God and fully man. The human understanding is limited to grasp this. It is accepted by faith. The eternal Godhead cannot be explained with human intellect because the God we come to know in the three ways above, is much too great big, and vast for us to comprehend. You apprehend by the illumination of the Spirit, word, and relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ.

it don't mean a thing if you don't know the King
 

CS1

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What you are suggesting is in contradiction of the eternality of Jesus.

'The subject of Christ’s eternality deals with the fact that He has always existed as a person from eternity past, with no beginning and no end'

You have been reported for this heresy.
you can't call it heresy if you don't know what they are talking about.