Must we repent in order to be forgiven?

[ForestGreenCook]

The scriptures teach us to work out our salvation with fear and trembling

If you take that verse as working out your "eternal" salvation, you would be misquoting it.

Salvation according to Greek interpretation means "a deliverance". There is an eternal deliverance, and there are many deliverances offered to the regenerated children of God as they sojourn here in this world. "working out your own deliverance" is accomplished by our good works in obedience to God's instructions in how to live our lives here on earth.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

No regeneration there ? Which verse please ?

Good luck in getting a scripture quote from him, he expects everyone to know them by memory, as he claims he does.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Amen. Jesus said our "work" is to believe, which is limited to thought, not action - action is just outward manifestation of inward thought.

So, if OSAS people can see "belief" is what saves us, why cant' they see "cessation of belief" is the forfeiture of the same? Only because they are blinded by love for sin -- some cherished sin enters ther heart and dethrones God, which demands that a means by which one can hold onto both sin and Jesus be constructed.

Hence, OSAS, which claims they may obtain by dead faith that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life.

Belief is a product of already having been born again. The natural man cannot believe in the things of the Spirit, and thinks them to be foolishness.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Something happens after a person believes. Its not concentrating really hard for a duration.

Belief is not the cause of regeneration but comes after regeneration. Belief is the cause of conversion. We are first born again and after we have gained a knowledge of the truth, we are converted.

 

[david-a-servant]

Which is recieved upon believing on Jesus ,death burial and resurrection for our sins according to the Scriptures. Its a one time event not a instalment scheme. We don't have partial new creature Christians walking around.

"If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." Faith is a daily walk.
1 Corinthians 15:31
I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
Luke 9:23
And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me
Galatians 5:16
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh
Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live
You are blind to the truth because of your corrupt dogma. It's a shame you and others have been taught a falsehood

 

[CS1]

Belief is not the cause of regeneration but comes after regeneration. Belief is the cause of conversion. We are first born again and after we have gained a knowledge of the truth, we are converted.

I this many have the issue with salvation by grace through faith, then growing bu "Grace and knowledge" in the satisfaction process as you are in a relationship with Christ. It seems many do not understand instantaneous salvation and grace faith and belief which produces desire, power, and obedience unto the Lord.

Here the gospel message, conviction comes by way of the HS creates a godly sorrow leading to repentance, surrendering, and receiving.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

And that would be a true fact.

Christ's death on the cross was not for an opportunity to accept his death. His death was for a purpose, and that purpose was to redeem those that God gave him from their sins and secure them a home in heaven, even saying that he would not lose any, and that "it is finished".

Jesus's sacrifice was an offering to God for God's acceptance, and not to man for man's acceptance.

 

[CS1]

Christ's death on the cross was not for an opportunity to accept his death. His death was for a purpose, and that purpose was to redeem those that God gave him from their sins and secure them a home in heaven, even saying that he would not lose any, and that "it is finished".

Jesus's sacrifice was an offering to God for God's acceptance, and not to man for man's acceptance.

it was a vicarious death

 

[ForestGreenCook]

We ARE in the Spirit. You cannot reverse this . So walk as you ARE .

Scriptures prove that none of us walk continually in the Spirit.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I this many have the issue with salvation by grace through faith, then growing bu "Grace and knowledge" in the satisfaction process as you are in a relationship with Christ. It seems many do not understand instantaneous salvation and grace faith and belief which produces desire, power, and obedience unto the Lord.

Here the gospel message, conviction comes by way of the HS creates a godly sorrow leading to repentance, surrendering, and receiving.

The Holy Spirit convicts the regenerated people to repent, but he does not convict the natural man,1 Cor 2:14, to repent of breaking a spiritual law that he cannot understand, and thinks it to be foolishness.

 

[Phoneman-777]

I detected a hint of your pride in your attempt to put me down. I enjoy defending my beliefs and would enjoy defending them with you, but could we keep it civil? I detest heated conversations.

Eternal life is a free gift. We do not "obtain" it.

I don't put people down - I do however from time to time get a bit sharp when it comes to their Biblical ideas. I had someone tell me that the New Covenant was not in effect yet, and I could not help but respond with what a nutty idea that is.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Your statement that "if they decide to jump back into the world, they will be eternally lost is" directly opposite of the scripture that Magenta presented to you.

No, it's not. Please read the verse again..

 

[ForestGreenCook]

All the Bible is for us but not all the bible is to us .

The inspired scriptures were written to God's regenerated people as instructions as to how God wants them to live their lives as they sojourn here on earth. They explain to the regenerated children of God how they are secure in their eternal inheritance, by his sovereign grace, without their help.

 

[david-a-servant]

Christ's death on the cross was not for an opportunity to accept his death. His death was for a purpose, and that purpose was to redeem those that God gave him from their sins and secure them a home in heaven, even saying that he would not lose any, and that "it is finished".

Jesus's sacrifice was an offering to God for God's acceptance, and not to man for man's acceptance.

Jesus's sacrifice was an offering to God for the sins of the world...whosoever believes on Him has forgiveness of sins and eternal life

 

[Phoneman-777]

don't result in insults because you lack understanding. There are many people who believe they are part of a"royal priesthood" yet they are still incomplete in how they live for God. I think I am going to stay here and endure to their end only weak wimp Californian Christians leave for the easy life in TX. it take a committed Christian to live here

Man, I admire your tenacity bro! Feinstein, Pelosi, that insane Governor...did you ever think Cali would turn out as communist as it did? I mean, they voted a Republican in not that long ago, albeit a Hollywood RINO LOL

 

[ForestGreenCook]

No, it's not. Please read the verse again..

Are you saying that if they jump back into the world, that they will lose their eternal inheritance?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Jesus's sacrifice was an offering to God for the sins of the world...whosoever believes on Him has forgiveness of sins and eternal life

Believing is not the cause of eternal life, it is a product of already being born again

Christ "PAID" for the sins of those that his Father gave him. It was not an offering for man'a acceptance, but for God's acceptance, He only died for those that God gave him, not for all mankind.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Again, I am assuming that your comment, "decide to turn around and go the other way" means "when we commit a sin".

No, it means "repent from repentance". It means you make the choice to cease from your surrender to God and go your own way.

Choice is not action, it is thought. Sin is just the outward manifestation of our inward choice. Jesus can't be your Savior unless He is also your Lord, right or wrong? According to John:

"Hereby we do know that we know Him if we keep His commandments. He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him."​

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[Phoneman-777]

Are you saying that if they jump back into the world, that they will lose their eternal inheritance?

The Bible says so: Doesn't Peter say after we escape this polluted world, but then jump back in, the latter end of us will be worse than the beginning?

The problem is you guys want "escaped" to mean "still trapped" in order to make Peter refer to unconverted sinners when he is in no uncertain terms referring to "washed" saints who are washed in the blood of Jesus.

The next time a convict escapes, will you get the warden and tell him, "Call off the search, he's still trapped in prison"?

 

[david-a-servant]

Believing is not the cause of eternal life, it is a product of already being born again

Christ "PAID" for the sins of those that his Father gave him. It was not an offering for man'a acceptance, but for God's acceptance, He only died for those that God gave him, not for all mankind.

1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Sorry, I am believing John here, not what you've been taught