Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??
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"feminine bias"
I just can't
I fairly asked you is this what you believe, that people in a church with a woman preacher are not saved or mostly not saved and just think they have the Holy Spirit? You said yea such church is dead, so you concurred, allowing for "a few sheep" to have been "caught in the situation" (thus the others in that church aren't sheep). Then call me biased when I reiterate your own belief to you?
I just can't
I fairly asked you is this what you believe, that people in a church with a woman preacher are not saved or mostly not saved and just think they have the Holy Spirit? You said yea such church is dead, so you concurred, allowing for "a few sheep" to have been "caught in the situation" (thus the others in that church aren't sheep). Then call me biased when I reiterate your own belief to you?
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Actually, Peter was married. See Matthew 8:14 and 1 Corinthians 9:5.
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Paul was apparently single. 1 Corinthians 7:7 seems to imply that he was not married.
There certainly is nothing in Scripture saying that he was married.
There certainly is nothing in Scripture saying that he was married.
Some think this due to 1 Cor 7:8
Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.
There is nothing to confirm nor deny that he could have once been married.
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Probably crossed over which scriptures were were interpreting. Two lines of thought were going on in our previous discussions. Can a woman be a pastor based on the verses about an elder being a husband seemed to have taken the wrong turn in what Paul was trying to say. He was talking about being blameless and men have tried to say he was teaching that women will never be allowed. Then someone also was saying that not only must he be a man but he must be married and have children. I take issue with both of these ideas based on this verse. It is not conclusive that all women were banned just because Paul used these examples to explain what it meant to be blameless.
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There have been many women evangelist in the history of the church and there still are today. Just imagine all those people saved from hearing a woman evangelist being in heaven one day and Roger saying. I don't approve, because she is a woman, not allowed, against the rules, and God would say. "is that really who you think I am?"
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Paul could have been married at one point, and and a widower.
Some think this due to 1 Cor 7:8
Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.
There is nothing to confirm nor deny that he could have once been married.
Some think this due to 1 Cor 7:8
Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.
There is nothing to confirm nor deny that he could have once been married.
Paul could have been married at one point, and and a widower.
Some think this due to 1 Cor 7:8
Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.
There is nothing to confirm nor deny that he could have once been married.
Some think this due to 1 Cor 7:8
Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.
There is nothing to confirm nor deny that he could have once been married.
Paul was a member of the Sanhedrin (as one 'in training', raised at the feet of Gamaliel; Acts 22:3), and all members of the Sanhedrin had to be married according to OT stipulations and even Rabbinical ones, since they were the 'Elders' of the Nation, along with the High Priest (who also had to be married).
What Paul was during and or after such, scripture is not explicit here. Yet, I find that too many use Paul as the 'out', the excuse, the model of standard for roles of "Deacon" and "Elder/Bishop", when Paul held no such offices, though called "an Apostle", as one sent forth to the Gentiles by Jesus Christ and not made so by men:
Gal_1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
So, even if Paul were single, or remained single throughout, this cannot be used as a standard or foundation of measurement for the offices of "Deacon" and "Elder/Bishop", when Paul specifically wrote 1 Timothy 3, and so many other texts on the subject.
Some attempt to cite Philemon 1:9 to say that Paul was an "Elder/Bishop", but the text refer to "age" and not "office":
Phm 1:9 Yet for love's sake I rather beseech thee, being such an one as Paul the aged, and now also a prisoner of Jesus Christ.
Paul spoke of his old age, not an ordained office in this context.
So, let none of us abuse Paul as the foundational example, even if I were to grant he was an exception to the rule of 1 Timothy 3 (though I do not grant such).
The example from Genesis to Revelation in matters of leadership of church authority/offices are married males with children, in every single case.
Anyways, I am bowing out of this thread. It is becoming toxic, and has far strayed from the intent of the OP. If persons need further examples of what I refer to, please simply contact me.
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He does not get out much. Especially not world wide. Women are being used by God to shake the world and millions are being saved. It is only going to increase...
17“‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares,
that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams;
18even on my male servants and female servants
in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.
17“‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares,
that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams;
18even on my male servants and female servants
in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.
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