Sins cannot be charged!

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brightfame52 said:
He did taste death for everyone He tasted death for. And to them sin will not be charged!
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the Bible tells a different story than you do.

He tasted death for everyone both those who believe and those who do not. He died for the ungodly at just the right time.
whoever believes and is baptized into His death, to them there is no condemnation.
whoever does not believe is condemned already.

the Bible tells us that for every individual it is faith in Him upon which salvation pivots, not the fact of His death, because He died for all -- even for His enemies. He sends the sun and the rain on both the righteous and the wicked, and in order to show that we are truly sons of the Father we must likewise love our enemies, not just our friends -- if God had showed kindness only to His friends He would be no better than the pagans, but as it is, He showed His righteousness in that He gave Himself for the whole world.
 
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throughfaith said:
18¶He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Nope.
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So you have people that have had their sins forgiven being condemned?

Condemned of what? (sin?)

No. It can't happen. People that have had their sins forgiven are not under condemnation. The Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has freed them from that condemnation.
 
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posthuman said:
the Bible tells a different story than you do.

He tasted death for everyone both those who believe and those who do not. He died for the ungodly at just the right time.
whoever believes and is baptized into His death, to them there is no condemnation.
whoever does not believe is condemned already.

the Bible tells us that for every individual it is faith in Him upon which salvation pivots, not the fact of His death, because He died for all -- even for His enemies. He sends the sun and the rain on both the righteous and the wicked, and in order to show that we are truly sons of the Father we must likewise love our enemies, not just our friends -- if God had showed kindness only to His friends He would be no better than the pagans, but as it is, He showed His righteousness in that He gave Himself for the whole world.
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Believing in the things of the Spirit comes only after a person has been quickened to spiritual life.

The natural man, as described in 1 Cor 2:14, cannot discern the things of the Spirit, and thinks them to be foolishness.

Being born again with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit brings a knowledge of spiritual things, and also, spiritual faith that the natural man does not have.
 
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Calvinsim is confused about what saves . To a calvinist he sees that Jesus dealt with the sin issue on the cross. He does see verses that seem to say that Jesus died for the world , for all and all men . But because of the pressure of the teachings of the system of Tulip ,he's been impressed upon by the fear of 'universalism ' and or ' stealing the glory of God '. So in his mind he cannot understand that Jesus paying for the sins of the world does not save them until they ( if ) actually recieve Jesus .The good news is actually that Jesus really did die for their sins so we can really tell people with a straight face that this has been done for them. But unless they believe this good news they will not recieve Jesus. We should be alarmed that a theological system actually undermines the simple saving message .
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"Stealing the glory of God", is claiming that God wants to save all mankind, but mankind will not let him, which gives man more power than God.

Dan 4:35, And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and NONE CAN STAY HIS HAND, or say unto him, What doest thou?

What scripture says "that God will not usurp his authority over mankind's will"?
 
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Sins cannot be charged!

Sure they can. We never outgrow the need to have a humble spirit that is willing to repent when we willfully wander. Apostacy happens. The precious blood of our Lord is not an RC indulgence.
 
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Grandpa said:
So you have people that have had their sins forgiven being condemned?

Condemned of what? (sin?)

No. It can't happen. People that have had their sins forgiven are not under condemnation. The Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has freed them from that condemnation.
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No we have people who refuse to believe the truth so as to be SAVED . Those that do not RECIEVE the atonement will not be GLORIFIED.
 
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brightfame52 said:
He tasted death for all He tasted death for. And they will not have sin charged to them ever.
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Yes its a neat package that calvinism tries to sell . BUT the bible says he tasted death for EVERY man. The Atonement is PART of the equation but its REGENERATION that saves .
 
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throughfaith said:
Yes its a neat package that calvinism tries to sell . BUT the bible says he tasted death for EVERY man. The Atonement is PART of the equation but its REGENERATION that saves .
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He did taste death for every man He tasted death for. And they will not have sin charged to them, and they will be regenerated. So all for whom He tasted death for shall be regenerated. If a person is never regenerated then its obvious Christ didnt taste death for them.
 
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its obvious Christ didnt taste death for them.
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But we see Jesus, Who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; ​
that He by the grace of God should taste death for every man. ​
(Hebrews 2:9) ​
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brightfame52 said:
its obvious Christ didnt taste death for them
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All we like sheep have gone astray; ​
we have turned every one to his own way; ​
and the LORD hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all. ​
(Isaiah 53:6)​
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brightfame52 said:
its obvious Christ didnt taste death for them.
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For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if One died for all, then were all dead: and that He died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto Him which died for them, and rose again. ​
(2 Corinthians 5:14-15)​
 
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brightfame52 said:
its obvious Christ didnt taste death for them.
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And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation; and not for that nation only, but that also He should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad. ​
(John 11:51-52)​
 
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brightfame52 said:
its obvious Christ didnt taste death for them.
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And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have eternal life, for God so loved the world, that He gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God: and this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.​
(John 3:14-19)​
 
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Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
(NOTE: Christ PERFECTED FOREVER those that are sanctified)

Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
(NOTE: Christ via the offering of his own sinless blood, entered once into heaven holy place & obtained ETERNAL REDEMPTION for us.)

Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
(NOTE: Christ sinless payment REDEEMED believers/saints from Mosaic law sin punishment & has obtained scriptures promise of an ETERNAL inheritance)

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
(NOTE: Eph written to saints/believers (see Ehp 1:1) Are SEALED via Christ's indwelling Holy Spirit until the day of our bodily redemption)

Jude 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ
(NOTE: Believers/saints are sanctified by God & PRESERVED in Jesus Christ)

Ps 37:28 For the Lord loves justice, And does not forsake His saints; They are preserved forever, But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off.
(NOTE: The Lord doesn't forsake His saints/believers, but, PRESERVES them FOREVER!)
 
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posthuman said:
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But we see Jesus, Who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; ​
that He by the grace of God should taste death for every man. ​
(Hebrews 2:9) ​
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He did tasted death for every man He tasted death for.
 
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posthuman said:
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All we like sheep have gone astray; ​
we have turned every one to his own way; ​
and the LORD hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all. ​
(Isaiah 53:6)​
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Thats all the Sheep, the goats are not included. Those here in Isa 53:6 will not have iniquity charged to them Ps 32:1-2

Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
 
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posthuman said:
And He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the whole world. ​
(1 John 2:2) ​
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Thats a Saved world that wont have sins charged to it. God is at peace with them
 
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