Abortion the leading cause of death in 2020

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EleventhHour

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Hopefully your news site is an honest site. The msm usually aren’t.
While Pfizer’s and Moderna’s vaccines—recently shown to be 90 percent and 94 percent effective, respectively—were not made using fetal cells, it is true that they did use HEK 293 for confirmatory lab testing.

https://www.heritage.org/public-health/commentary/the-covid-vaccine-and-the-pro-life-movement


The fetal cell lines are from 1970
The were used in the development but are not in the actual vaccine
The moral decision is yours but the science is clear and it is not about conspiracy theories.
 

Lisamn

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While Pfizer’s and Moderna’s vaccines—recently shown to be 90 percent and 94 percent effective, respectively—were not made using fetal cells, it is true that they did use HEK 293 for confirmatory lab testing.

https://www.heritage.org/public-health/commentary/the-covid-vaccine-and-the-pro-life-movement


The fetal cell lines are from 1970
The were used in the development but are not in the actual vaccine
The moral decision is yours but the science is clear and it is not about conspiracy theories.
Well...I don’t believe the virus is a real pandemic anyway...I think its all made up. Not that there aren’t viruses out there that could make you sick. This was made up for one reason and that was to win an election.
That it started out in china should make people wary in the first place...that some of the first videos that happened from there were of people being locked in their apartments or being taken forcibly by the authorities there should give people pause. That its been made aware that the Biden family has deep ties to china...should be the nail on the coffin that this ’virus’ was made up.

So..I’m not going to take it since I don’t feel that its necessary and I don’t know what to make of a vaccine that supposed to be effective from a fake virus....
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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While Pfizer’s and Moderna’s vaccines—recently shown to be 90 percent and 94 percent effective, respectively—were not made using fetal cells, it is true that they did use HEK 293 for confirmatory lab testing.

https://www.heritage.org/public-health/commentary/the-covid-vaccine-and-the-pro-life-movement


The fetal cell lines are from 1970
The were used in the development but are not in the actual vaccine
The moral decision is yours but the science is clear and it is not about conspiracy theories.
This is some of the info in the article I was referring to.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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While Pfizer’s and Moderna’s vaccines—recently shown to be 90 percent and 94 percent effective, respectively—were not made using fetal cells, it is true that they did use HEK 293 for confirmatory lab testing.

https://www.heritage.org/public-health/commentary/the-covid-vaccine-and-the-pro-life-movement


The fetal cell lines are from 1970
The were used in the development but are not in the actual vaccine
The moral decision is yours but the science is clear and it is not about conspiracy theories.
Being that this is the info that I am as looking to share, I'll just let this stand. As I can't seem to find the article I was looking for.
 

Lisamn

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Being that this is the info that I am as looking to share, I'll just let this stand. As I can't seem to find the article I was looking for.
Is this a usual occurance in vaccines do ya think?
From the article..
Let me be clear that I am firmly opposed to abortion and deeply committed to protecting the inherent and equal dignity of every human being from conception to natural death. Nonetheless, although it is a complex question, I do not believe that it is morally wrong to use vaccines (or other medical treatments) created using HEK 293 or other cell lines derived long ago from the tissue of aborted fetuses.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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Is this a usual occurance in vaccines do ya think?
From the article..
Let me be clear that I am firmly opposed to abortion and deeply committed to protecting the inherent and equal dignity of every human being from conception to natural death. Nonetheless, although it is a complex question, I do not believe that it is morally wrong to use vaccines (or other medical treatments) created using HEK 293 or other cell lines derived long ago from the tissue of aborted fetuses.
Any use of aborted fetus tissue only validates it as legitimate, and provides precedence, and excuse to continue the practice.
 

Lisamn

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Any use of aborted fetus tissue only validates it as legitimate, and provides precedence, and excuse to continue the practice.
The article talks about aborted fetus tissues already being used and the dr who wrote the article says she’s ok with it because they are older. So, it seems we all could already be inoculated with some.
 
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DWR

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Buckle up, it's coming here thanks to "Christians" who voted Biden/Harris.
I really find it hard to understand how a Christian could vote for a party that not only supports homosexuality, whoredom, and the murder of babies, but also celebrates these sins that drew the death penalty in the Bible.
God will surely judge this nation for the path it has chosen.
 

Lisamn

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I really find it hard to understand how a Christian could vote for a party that not only supports homosexuality, whoredom, and the murder of babies, but also celebrates these sins that drew the death penalty in the Bible.
God will surely judge this nation for the path it has chosen.
The abortion deaths from the article is worldwide..not just Americans are killing their children. Not just Americans are supporting homosexuality and any other sins.

I always think of John 3:17
For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

Is God judging the world at this time or wanting us all to be saved? Is His judgement delayed until His wrath and ultimately the white throne judgement?

It does seem strange that any Christian could vote for someone that thinks those things are good though.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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The article talks about aborted fetus tissues already being used and the dr who wrote the article says she’s ok with it because they are older. So, it seems we all could already be inoculated with some.
Possible but not wittingly. Y'all do what ya want. Call me an extremist. On this subject I am based.
 

Lisamn

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Possible but not wittingly. Y'all do what ya want. Call me an extremist. On this subject I am based.
I’m not calling you an extremist but I haven’t heard about other vaccines/medications involving fetal tissue...yet the article says there has been. One then has to wonder if this story is true and the reason it’s out there.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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I’m not calling you an extremist but I haven’t heard about other vaccines/medications involving fetal tissue...yet the article says there has been. One then has to wonder if this story is true and the reason it’s out there.
We are cool
 

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As it turns out the new covid vaccines have dna materials from aborted babies. As a Christian we can not in good conscience take this vaccine.

New Zealand has now passed the most extreme abortion laws in the world. They will basically allow for an abortion up to the moment of birth, for any reason without question.
They passed a law like that in Vicotria, Australia last year.
 
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Incredibly sad to see this...
Abortion Leading Global Cause of Death in 2020 with 42.7 Million Killed
https://www.breitbart.com/national-...se-of-death-in-2020-with-42-7-million-killed/



Then theres the Argentinians happy that they will be increasing that amount...how do people cheer and get that excited about killing their unborn children? I don’t understand it.

Reminds me of when the people celebrated in Ireland...
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EPHESIANS 6:4 says "---- bring them (our children) up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord."

I believe if Christian parents can adhere seriously to this injunction, whether the bill is passed or not, the rate of unwanted pregnancy would reduce. The ball is much more in our courts than in the government's.

Whether fornication leads to pregnancy/ abortion or not, it remains a sin.

I think the rate of abortion in married couples is much more lower than in single girls/women, that if premarital sex can be drastically reduced, abortion will follow suit.
 
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The abortion deaths from the article is worldwide..not just Americans are killing their children. Not just Americans are supporting homosexuality and any other sins.

I always think of John 3:17
For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

Is God judging the world at this time or wanting us all to be saved? Is His judgement delayed until His wrath and ultimately the white throne judgement?

It does seem strange that any Christian could vote for someone that thinks those things are good though.
My opinion is that most Christian parents have neglected their duty to bring up their children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. If we must fight abortion, we must start from our christian homes to fight premarital sex. Fornication is a sin whether they use birth control measures or not, whether it leads to pregnancy or not. Self control/temperance is a spiritual virtue every christian must imbibe and we must inculcate this in our children right from their early years.
 

Lisamn

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My opinion is that most Christian parents have neglected their duty to bring up their children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. If we must fight abortion, we must start from our christian homes to fight premarital sex. Fornication is a sin whether they use birth control measures or not, whether it leads to pregnancy or not. Self control/temperance is a spiritual virtue every christian must imbibe and we must inculcate this in our children right from their early years.
Sure, I agree..however when children grow up and become adults they become their own persons who want to explore the world without their parents rules and thinking. Even as teens they are rebelling against their parents rules and want to do what their friends are doing. You can’t control your adult children and what they will do...you can only pray to God about it and hope in God. At least that’s my experience. They don’t automatically take our belief system just because we raised them...they also must be born again.
 

Smoke

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As it turns out the new covid vaccines have dna materials from aborted babies. As a Christian we can not in good conscience take this vaccine.

New Zealand has now passed the most extreme abortion laws in the world. They will basically allow for an abortion up to the moment of birth, for any reason without question.
Any evidence for this? I'd like to read up on it if true.