The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

[throughfaith]

They were just as saved as you and I are brother

using this argument to try to defeat calvinism is pointless

I believe you could lose salvation in the OT ,just like it will be the case during the tribulation.Not so today .

 

[brightfame52]

Nope

it does not prove your point that Christ did not offer reconciliation to all people

nice try though

Yes

 

[brightfame52]

Yep they were, he died for us and we come to faith as enemies

again, nice try

Okay they were reconciled without faith then!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Not so . Today we recieve remission AND redemption immediately upon faith on Jesus. Thats what eternal security today is based on .

Eternal security was given to all men of all ages from the begining of time

 

[throughfaith]

Okay they were reconciled without faith then!

God reconciled the world through Christ's atoning work . Thats the message of reconciliation we share. That everyone's sins have been dealt with and he died for them . But unless they RECEIVE the atonement they will not be glorified. Only those that RECEIVE Jesus benefit from the work on the cross. Calvinism teaches another message .

 

[throughfaith]

Eternal security was given to all men of all ages from the begining of time

Not if they take the Mark of the beast
. No chance.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I believe you could lose salvation in the OT ,just like it will be the case during the tribulation.Not so today .

wow, that explains everything

so they were saved by works in the OT?
wow

 

[throughfaith]

Eternal security was given to all men of all ages from the begining of time

Then why was David worried when he prayed to not take the Holy Spirit from him ?

 

[throughfaith]

wow, that explains everything

so they were saved by works in the OT?
wow

Where did i say that? Stay focused on what I actually say .

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes

Nope

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Okay they were reconciled without faith then!

Nope

No one is reconciled apart from faith, God will not force you to take his gift,

they are not reconciled due to unbelief

 

[throughfaith]

Eternal security was given to all men of all ages from the begining of time

Eternal security is based on being sealed by the Holy Spirit . Which was not given until Acts 2 .

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Not if they take the Mark of the beast
. No chance.

ok, we are saved not by grace but by works

good to know your true gospel finally comes out

 

[throughfaith]

ok, we are saved not by grace but by works

good to know your true gospel finally comes out

At all times in the bible its always by faith .

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Eternal security is based on being sealed by the Holy Spirit . Which was not given until Acts 2 .

Eternal security is based on Gods promise

if it is by grace it is no longer works

if salvation can be lost it must be earned, that’s not grace

 

[eternally-gratefull]

At all times in the bible its always by faith .

It is always by grace through faith

dont remove grace. No one can ever earn salvation, that’s why no one can ever lose it

 

[throughfaith]

It is always by grace through faith

dont remove grace. No one can ever earn salvation, that’s why no one can ever lose it

So if they didn't do the sacrifices were they going to be saved ?

 

[throughfaith]

It is always by grace through faith

dont remove grace. No one can ever earn salvation, that’s why no one can ever lose it

I guess they didn't need to bother doing the sacrifices then ?

 

[throughfaith]

It is always by grace through faith

dont remove grace. No one can ever earn salvation, that’s why no one can ever lose it

I guess Noah didn't need to build that Ark ?

 

[brightfame52]

People are condemned because of lack of faith. How many times does this need shown

he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already because they have not believed

they are not condemned for sin, as Jesus said, all manner of sin will be forgiven men.
at the great white throne judgment, the law is not brought out and people judged for sin, they are judged because they did not believe

no one will be condemned by the law. Like the high priest on the day of atonement made reparation for all of Israel, including the unbelievers, Jesus made reparations for all mankind

the deciding factor on who actually recieves this salvation is based again on John 1, 3 and so many other passages, on those who believe, just like abraham believed and he was justified based on his faith

False, People Christ died for were reconciled to God while enemies and unbelievers Rom 5:10