The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

[pottersclay]

Jesus died and rose again according to scripture. That should be your focus.
Salvation is given to all that believe. That is the promise.
God has ecepted all nations and tongue to worship him. That is the declaration.

Those who call upon the name of the lord shall be saved. That is the how.

 

[brightfame52]

Propitiation is payment for.

Yes God is at peace with the propitiated. They're delivered from the wrath to come.

 

[oyster67]

Yes it does. It effected their Salvation. Nobody else has their Salvation effected. Many will be lost. Now who did Christ specifically state He died for ? Jn 10:11,15

The whole world. Salvation is freely available to all.

John
3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Such a beautiful truth. Why do you kick against it so?

 

[oyster67]

Thats a saved world.

When we are saved, we are called out of the world.

1 Peter
2:9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
2:10 Which in time past [were] not a people, but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
2:11 Dearly beloved, I beseech [you] as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;

 

[brightfame52]

The whole world. Salvation is freely available to all.

John
3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Such a beautiful truth. Why do you kick against it so?

Wrong, only the saved.

 

[brightfame52]

See as a result of His Blood shed and consequently it washes those He died for from their sins, He makes, produces them into spiritual priests. The word made in Rev 1:6 is the word poieó and means:

to make, do
Usage: (a) I make, manufacture, construct, (b) I do, act, cause.

with the names of the things made, to produce, construct, form, fashion,

to create, to produce: of God, as the author of all things, τί or τινα, Matthew 19:4; Mark 10:6; Luke 11:40; Hebrews 1:2; Acts 4:24; Acts 7:50; Acts 17:24; Revelation 14:7

The death of Christ results in a new creation ! 19

 

[eternally-gratefull]

See as a result of His Blood shed and consequently it washes those He died for from their sins, He makes, produces them into spiritual priests. The word made in Rev 1:6 is the word poieó and means:

to make, do
Usage: (a) I make, manufacture, construct, (b) I do, act, cause.

with the names of the things made, to produce, construct, form, fashion,

to create, to produce: of God, as the author of all things, τί or τινα, Matthew 19:4; Mark 10:6; Luke 11:40; Hebrews 1:2; Acts 4:24; Acts 7:50; Acts 17:24; Revelation 14:7

The death of Christ results in a new creation ! 19

Once again, if this is true, and Jesus died almost 2000 years ago.

all of the elect are born alive in Christ, already saved, not needing to be born again because their payment is already paid for in fact they do not have to call out on the name of the lord to be saved or repent land faith is not necessary.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

If this is true we would be born alive in Christ. And would not need to be born again

God quickens all of his elect to a spiritual life sometime in their life, but the scriptures teach that all mankind, including his elect, are born into this world spiritually dead, until he quickens them to a spiritual life.

His elect are secured for their eternal inheritance, in covenant, by Christ paying for their sins on the cross, but sense they are born into this world infected by the sin of Adam, it is necessary that they be born again.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God quickens all of his elect to a spiritual life sometime in their life, but the scriptures teach that all mankind, including his elect, are born into this world spiritually dead, until he quickens them to a spiritual life.

His elect are secured for their eternal inheritance, in covenant, by Christ paying for their sins on the cross, but sense they are born into this world infected by the sin of Adam, it is necessary that they be born again.

1. Yes we are all born dead, because of sin
2. yes he does quicken us, when the penalty of sin is removed
3. if what the op says is true and Christ paid the penalty for all sin of the elect, then their penalty was already removed they would be born alive

can escape that fact

 

[notuptome]

God quickens all of his elect to a spiritual life sometime in their life, but the scriptures teach that all mankind, including his elect, are born into this world spiritually dead, until he quickens them to a spiritual life.

His elect are secured for their eternal inheritance, in covenant, by Christ paying for their sins on the cross, but sense they are born into this world infected by the sin of Adam, it is necessary that they be born again.

Have you ever experienced the conviction of the Holy Spirit over your sin? Have you experience the certain knowledge that if you died apart from Christ you would receive and justly so the eternal condemnation that Gods righteousness demands?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Grandpa]

I did not interpret the verse. It does not need it. It is plain an simple. I pitted the plain language against your statement that the Lamb did NOT take away the sin of the world in your posting # 32.

You DID have to interpret it and I did NOT say the Lord didn't take away the sin of the world.

The Lord took away the sin of the world of BELIEVERS. Those who are in Christ Jesus. Past, present and future.


YOUR INTERPRETATION is that the Lord took away ALL SIN of the world. Even for those who are not Believers in Christ Jesus.

In light of all the rest of scripture we see that YOUR INTERPRETATION cannot be correct.



Your "plain language" interpretation causes scripture to contradict other scripture.

Look at John 3:18. Now ask the question "What could they possibly be condemned for if the Lord has taken the sin of every single person of the whole world"

Then look at Romans 8:1-2. You see what is REQUIRED in order to NOT be under condemnation of sin and death.



Well, good luck.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You DID have to interpret it and I did NOT say the Lord didn't take away the sin of the world.

The Lord took away the sin of the world of BELIEVERS. Those who are in Christ Jesus. Past, present and future.


YOUR INTERPRETATION is that the Lord took away ALL SIN of the world. Even for those who are not Believers in Christ Jesus.

In light of all the rest of scripture we see that YOUR INTERPRETATION cannot be correct.



Your "plain language" interpretation causes scripture to contradict other scripture.

Look at John 3:18. Now ask the question "What could they possibly be condemned for if the Lord has taken the sin of every single person of the whole world"

Then look at Romans 8:1-2. You see what is REQUIRED in order to NOT be under condemnation of sin and death.



Well, good luck.

Yours can’t be right

1. believers are no where in context in John 3
2. The world is what the Bible says we are saved out of. Not into
3. if all sin was paid for believers, they would be born alive, because justification would have been completed. No faith would be required
4. What is required to not be under the condemnation. Is to be justified (declared righteous) which as Colossians 2 says is done by the hand of God not of men, through the work of the Holy Spirit. Justification is the legal term of being washed, or cleansed of all sin, which must be accomplished before new birth can be granted

 

[Grandpa]

We were all atheists at one time

if we remain in that state and die in that state,we have rejected the call of God and will spend eternity dead

receiving the gospel n faith is what justifies us, and being justified we who were dead are made alive

So you just proved that all sin is forgiven by Christ when we come to Him. Even the sin of unbelief.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

The scriptures say no such thing

Jsh 24:15, Prov 1:29, Isaiah 7:15, Isaiah 56:4, Phil 1:22, Prov 1:29 God gives mankind the freedom to choose how he wants to live his life.

2 Thes 2:13, John 15:19, John i5:16, Eph 2:5, We do not choose God, God chooses us for eternal inheritance

1. Yes we are all born dead, because of sin
2. yes he does quicken us, when the penalty of sin is removed
3. if what the op says is true and Christ paid the penalty for all sin of the elect, then their penalty was already removed they would be born alive

can escape that fact

Their sins are all paid for in a covenant relationship at the cross, and their eternal inheritance is secured. When they are quickened to a spiritual life, they do not get rid of the baggage of their sinful nature, and do at times yield themselves to the temptations of the things of the world. In doing this, they lose their fellowship with God, but not their secured eternal inheritance in heaven, until they repent and regain their fellowship with God.

The natural man that has not been born again will not repent of breaking a spiritual law that he cannot understand, and thinks it to be foolishness, 1 Cor 2:14., only the regenerated person has the changed heart that can be pricked to feel guilt.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Have you ever experienced the conviction of the Holy Spirit over your sin? Have you experience the certain knowledge that if you died apart from Christ you would receive and justly so the eternal condemnation that Gods righteousness demands?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Yes, and yes, that is called conversion, so, what is the point you are trying to make?

 

[Duskey]

You DID have to interpret it and I did NOT say the Lord didn't take away the sin of the world.

The Lord took away the sin of the world of BELIEVERS. Those who are in Christ Jesus. Past, present and future.


YOUR INTERPRETATION is that the Lord took away ALL SIN of the world. Even for those who are not Believers in Christ Jesus.

In light of all the rest of scripture we see that YOUR INTERPRETATION cannot be correct.



Your "plain language" interpretation causes scripture to contradict other scripture.

Look at John 3:18. Now ask the question "What could they possibly be condemned for if the Lord has taken the sin of every single person of the whole world"

Then look at Romans 8:1-2. You see what is REQUIRED in order to NOT be under condemnation of sin and death.



Well, good luck.

Hi Gramps, it’s been awhile. Jesus teaches us that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the only unforgivable sin. It seems as though the sins of unbelievers are forgiven but the difference between them and us is unbelievers are still guilty of blasphemy hence why they are not saved. Thoughts?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Hey brother, the theme is not the Kingdom. We've been thrashing around over the duty of the Holy Spirit to reprove men of sin. I personally think we've said all there is to say. Let each of us go on to the next theme having taken with them the thoughts of the other for consideration.

God bless.

But you have not told me what I am adding to the scriptures.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Yes but it'more complex than just his death.

Can you explain?

 

[Corban]

But you have not told me what I am adding to the scriptures.

In posting # 240 you wrote "world of believers". It is just "world".

 

[brightfame52]

In posting # 240 you wrote "world of believers". It is just "world".

You don't see the wword believe in Jn 3:16