Sunday worship or Saturday Sabbath what day did God choose or is it Everday worship.

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This is what the catholic church says....

Cardinal Gibbons, in Faith of Our Fathers, 92nd ed., p. 89, freely admits, “You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we [the Catholic Church] never sanctify.”

Again, “The Catholic Church, … by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday” (The Catholic Mirror, official publication of James Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893).

“Protestants do not realize that by observing Sunday, they accept the authority of the spokesperson of the Church, the Pope” (Our Sunday Visitor, February 5, 1950).

“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change [Saturday Sabbath to Sunday] was her act... And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things” (H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons).
 
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This is twisting scripture
On the first day of the week Paul asked them to lay in store money or there tithe so there wasn't any gathering when he did come. it didn't mean he came on the 1st day and even if he did, the law (moral 10) wasn't changed. Preaching on any day of the week doesn't make that day holy or sanctified. Only God can sanctify a day and the only day that i know that God sanctified and blessed was the seventh day at creation before sin.
The first churches meeting on the first day of the week was not to replace the sabbath. It was not intended to be considered as a sabbath or any such part of the Law of Moses.

So now that we have agreed on that fact, we can agree that they did indeed meet on the first day of the week. When they did, their meetings included things like communion, observing the Lords Supper, breaking of bread in fellowship including a communal meal. Eating together has always been a Christian method of fellowship.

They heard preaching and teaching. They sang hymns and most importantly they prayed. And not just your little 30 second beginning and ending prayer, they prayed for long stretches all together, out loud. It was a noisy. It is believed by most scholars and historians that they probably borrowed some of their meeting format from what they were used to doing in synagogues on the sabbath, as the initial converts were mostly Jews. However their meetings on the first day of the week was as a separate CHRISTIAN fellowship not to be confused with the synagogue and not associated with the Jewish religion ruled by the Pharisees and Sandhedrin and rulers of synagogues. They meet separately as a unique entity called the Church and they met on the first day of the week. Many of them went to synagogues on the sabbath and meet with the christian church on the first day of the week.

As to the interpretation of 1 Cor 16 1-2 if Paul did not want a collection to be taken up when he got there, or that it should have already been done on the first day of each week, it is the most natural interpretation that he is saying "when you meet on the first day of the week (as was the custom of all the churches), let each man give a portion as God has prospered him toward this offering and when I come you will not have to take up an offering as it will have already been done and waiting for me, because you did it each Sunday for this purpose."
That is how I and millions of others have interpreted it for 2000 years. I am sorry if you have been taught to make it mean something completely different by some unsavory characters who bristle at the idea that their sabbath was threatened. This in no way means that the sabbath was being replaced by the fact that Christians met on the first day of the week.
Once you realize this you can back off the bad hermeneutics.
 
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This is what the catholic church says....

Cardinal Gibbons, in Faith of Our Fathers, 92nd ed., p. 89, freely admits, “You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we [the Catholic Church] never sanctify.”

Again, “The Catholic Church, … by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday” (The Catholic Mirror, official publication of James Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893).

“Protestants do not realize that by observing Sunday, they accept the authority of the spokesperson of the Church, the Pope” (Our Sunday Visitor, February 5, 1950).

“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change [Saturday Sabbath to Sunday] was her act... And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things” (H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons).
I agree that the Sabbath was never changed. I also know full well that Christians met on the first day of the week. I don't care what the Catholic Church said about it, they were always making things up. Christians met on the first day of the week with no intention of calling it the sabbath.

If you want to observe the sabbath do it. But don't lie and say Christians did not meet on the first day of the week in the first century. This will annoy you but the truth is that Christians did not want to meet on the sabbath because they did not want their meeting to be associated with the Law of Moses. So you go ahead and keep the Law of the sabbath but don't judge those who do not keep the law of sabbath and meet on Sunday as a day of Christian fellowship. Those in church history who started calling Sunday the new sabbath were wrong. It is like saying Christianity is the new Law of Moses. It is not and was never intended to be. Sunday does not need to be a sabbath. People have been confused by the Catholics and bad hermeneutics for centuries.
 

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God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit's law (will) has not changed, God's covenant with man was renewed with the blood sacrifice of Christ Yeshua the Lamb, with God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit's law (will) now written on our hearts (our will), instead of on stone (our orders), and sin (where we live in disharmony with God's law / will) now forgiven at repentance.
 

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Matthew 24 has no application to the Church. ...
Christian zionists cannot patiently wait upon God's land promises to be fulfilled in the Jewish Messiah Christ Yeshua, in the Millennial Kingdom of Revelation 20:4 here on earth, in Israel and Jerusalem, following his return to earth, and they will receive the just punishment for trying to fulfil God's promises themselves, and it will culminate in them presenting their own false messiah, the antichrist.

Be careful of the Christian zionists's notions about God's elect. God has one elect body of believers, it is God's Christians, whose names are written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life of the Lamb that was slain. God has one olive tree believing united body of Jews and Gentiles alike in Christ Yeshua the root.
 
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the church is not orthodox Jews, the Sabbath has required things to be done to keep it, if you broke it once you can never unbreak what you have broken, there is only judgement. So the judgement must be done for when you broke the law of the sabbath. IF you are accepting the atonement that is provided by the Lord Jesus You are to follow HIM. YOU can not return to the law to be in right standing with God because you broke it and can no longer be justified by following the law again. YOU must come to the Father by way of the Son not the law. You are guilty by the law . Are you saved by what Jesus did or are you using Jesus to now keep the law you broke before you accepted Redemption ? which is it?
Haven't you heard there is no Jew or gentile the mystery of Christ has been the same purpose from the beginning one body of Christ partakers of the same bread. And we don't live under condemnation for sin so you can't be condemned for laws of the flesh. We live by law of the Spirit look it up its very liberating.
 

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Matthew 24 has no application to the Church...
Matthew 24 refers several times to God's elect, for whom Matthew 24 was written, and they are to pray that their flight will not be on the Sabbath.

Matthew 24 (New King James Version)
20And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the [c]elect’s sake those days will be shortened. 24For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25See, I have told you beforehand.
29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


Romans 11 (New King James Version)
17And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and [d]fatness of the olive tree, 18do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 23And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? 25For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own [f]opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be [g]saved, as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”

Ephesians 2 (New King James Version)
8For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. 11Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— 12that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
Ephesians 3 (New King James Version)
1For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles— 2if indeed you have heard of the [a]dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you, 3how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, 4by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), 5which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: 6that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs (as wild branches to the believing Jews of the cultivated branches), of the same body (the one Olive tree as Christ Yeshua's Body of believers), and partakers of His promise in Christ (the root) through the gospel, 7of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power.
 

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Matthew 24 has no application to the Church...
Mat 24:22 (KJV)
And G2532 except G1508 those G1565 days G2250 should be shortened, G2856 there G3756 should G302 no G3956 flesh G4561 be saved: G4982 but G1161 for G1223 the elect's sake G1588 those G1565 days G2250 shall be shortened. G2856
Mat 24:24 (KJV)
For G1063 there shall arise G1453 false Christs, G5580 and G2532 false prophets, G5578 and G2532 shall shew G1325 great G3173 signs G4592 and G2532 wonders; G5059 insomuch that, G5620 if G1487 it were possible, G1415 they shall deceive G4105 the very G2532 elect. G1588
Mat 24:31 (KJV)
And G2532 he shall send G649 his G846 angels G32 with G3326 a great G3173 sound G5456 of a trumpet, G4536 and G2532 they shall gather together G1996 his G846 elect G1588 from G1537 the four G5064 winds, G417 from G575 one end G206 of heaven G3772 to G2193 the other. G206 G846
Strong's G1588 - eklektos
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G1588&t=KJV
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
  1. picked out, chosen
    1. chosen by God,
      1. to obtain salvation through Christ
        1. Christians are called "chosen or elect" of God
      2. the Messiah is called "elect", as appointed by God to the most exalted office conceivable
      3. choice, select, i.e. the best of its kind or class, excellence preeminent: applied to certain individual Christians
 
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Do we do as Jesus's custom was to keep sabbath? Luke4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read. Do we follow fourth commandment that says remember the Sabbath to keep it holy or forget it? Are we to follow mans tradition which is Sunday worship? Are we part of same perpetual covenant sabbath as Israel as some imply? Or are we free from all this through life in Christ in new covenant? Your beliefs with biblical evidence please and also if I left out any other beliefs in Christianity feel free to share.
To someone that doesn't understand what to do I imagine.
 

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Matthew 24 has no application to the Church...
https://www.equip.org/article/a-biblical-response-to-christian-zionism/

A Biblical Response to Christian Zionism

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Mar 9, 2020
This article first appeared in the Christian Research Journal, as a special single article issue (2016). For further information or to subscribe to the Christian Research Journal please click here.
Synopsis

Christian Zionism—which predates secular Zionism by more than half a century—is constructed along two major theological fault lines. First, Christian Zionists are convinced that the land promises God made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are as yet unfulfilled. The principal flaw here is a failure to recognize that all the types and shadows of the Old Covenant, including the holy land of Israel, the holy city Jerusalem, and the holy temple, have been fulfilled in the holy Christ. Second, at the heart of Christian Zionism is the dispensational notion that God has two distinct people, one of whom must be raptured before He can continue His plan with the other. Scripture, however, reveals one chosen people who form one covenant community, beautifully symbolized as one cultivated olive tree.

Zionism is a religiopolitical movement committed to the establishment of an autonomous Jewish state, with Jerusalem as its capital, and a rebuilt temple as its center of spiritual and sociological identity. Christian Zionism—which predates secular Zionism by more than half a century—is constructed along two major theological fault lines. First is the misconception that the Holy Land, the Holy City, and the Holy Temple continue to have theological significance. Second is the myth that God has two distinct people. Only one of those peoples—the Jews—will suffer tribulation. The other—the church—will be removed from the world in a secret coming seven years prior to the second coming of Christ. This distinctive twist on Scripture is known as dispensational eschatology.

Anti-Semitism is a horrific evil—especially when justified in the name of religion. Hitler, however, needed no such pretext. As the smoke from the crematoriums wafted over steeples in the German countryside, another evil reared its ugly head. German pastors and parishioners remained strangely silent. For some, it was simply a matter of self-preservation. Others sought to justify their apathy by blaming Jews for the Great War. Still others believed that Jews were fatalistically destined to face the wrath of Antichrist— and thus did nothing.
 

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Haven't you heard there is no Jew or gentile the mystery of Christ has been the same purpose from the beginning one body of Christ partakers of the same bread. And we don't live under condemnation for sin so you can't be condemned for laws of the flesh. We live by law of the Spirit look it up its very liberating.
God's Sabbath day, set apart as holy does wonders for a human's spirit dwelling ONLY in God (without the cares of the world of the flesh) on this God set apart, holy day.
 

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Why are you bringing up the old covenant when we are under the new covenant now? That is scripture, just as the old covenant is scripture. We are to listen to ALL scripture, that means we are now under a new covenant.

Under the old covenant they were given laws in stone, laws as rules, and it wasn't told to them that the true law always contains love. We are under the new covenant, the same law is given but in our hearts. You cannot now obey the rules if you eliminate love. That has always been true, but now it is spelled out for us.
People who push sabbath keeping tend to consistently use scripture from the old covenant and mix it with the new covenant. Mark 2:21 - No one sews a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment; or else the new piece pulls away from the old, and the tear is made worse. 22 And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; or else the new wine bursts the wineskins, the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are ruined. But new wine must be put into new wineskins.

2 Corinthians 3:6 - who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.

The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. God made obsolete the old covenant to "put legally into place" the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13). The life of discipleship flows out of the command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ." (Galatians 6:2) Love fulfills the law. (Romans 13:8-10)

Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)
 

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Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made..
Although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. *Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.*

God's Word makes it clear that sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested” (Exodus 31:16-17). Are you an Israelite under the law?

In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the 10 commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding sabbath observance in verses 12–14, Moses gives the reason the sabbath was given to the nation Israel: “Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.” (Deuteronomy 5:15).

*Nowhere in the New Testament is the Church commanded to keep the weekly sabbath day under the law and to the contrary we find Colossians 2:16-17.
 

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The wicked is lawless, and the apostate church members, living in disharmony with God's will, desperately trying to nullify God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit's will, his law, his commandments.

Revelation 12 (New King James Version)
17And the dragon was enraged with the woman (the non-apostate church), and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus [c]Christ.

Revelation 14 (New King James Version)
12Here is the [g]patience of the saints; here[h] are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22 (New King James Version)
14Blessed are those who [g]do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

2 Peter 3 (English Standard Version)
14Therefore, beloved, since you are waiting for these, be diligent to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. 15And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. 17You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability. 18But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

2 Thessalonians 2 (English Standard Version)
1Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,a 2not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessnessb is revealed, the son of destruction,c 4who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
 

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People who push sabbath keeping tend to consistently use scripture from the old covenant and mix it with the new covenant. Mark 2:21 - No one sews a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment; or else the new piece pulls away from the old, and the tear is made worse. 22 And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; or else the new wine bursts the wineskins, the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are ruined. But new wine must be put into new wineskins.

2 Corinthians 3:6 - who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.

The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. God made obsolete the old covenant to "put legally into place" the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13). The life of discipleship flows out of the command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ." (Galatians 6:2) Love fulfills the law. (Romans 13:8-10)

Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)
The Sabbath is not pushed by people, it is commanded by God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, as His will. God's Sabbath is eternal (Exodus 31:16, Leviticus 24:8) and will still be kept even in Christ Yeshua's millennial Kingdom (Revelation 20:4, Ezekiel 37 - 48) here on earth (Ezekiel 44:24; 45:17; 46:1, 3, 4, 12.

We have a new covenant (with God's eternal law written on our hearts/will with forgiveness in repentance, not anymore on stone/force), not a new law (will) of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. God's will is unchangeable. Believing Jews and Gentiles are grafted into the same body with Christ Yeshua the Root, partakers in the same covenant of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit's promises and commandments to obey.

Exodus 31 (New King James Version)
16Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.

Leviticus 24 (New King James Version)
8Every Sabbath he shall set it in order before the Lord continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant.

Revelation 1 (New King James Version)
10I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day

Revelation 20 (New King James Version)
4And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years.

The governance during the thousand years millennial reign of Christ Yeshua, here on earth:

Ezekiel 44 (New King James Version)
24In controversy they shall stand as judges, and judge it according to My judgments. They shall keep My laws and My statutes in all My appointed meetings, and they shall hallow My Sabbaths.

Ezekiel 45 (New King James Version)
17Then it shall be the prince’s part to give burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the feasts, the New Moons, the Sabbaths, and at all the appointed seasons of the house of Israel. He shall prepare the sin offering, the grain offering, the burnt offering, and the peace offerings to make atonement for the house of Israel.”

Ezekiel 46 (New King James Version)
1‘Thus says the Lord God: “The gateway of the inner court that faces toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the Sabbath it shall be opened, and on the day of the New Moon it shall be opened. 3Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the entrance to this gateway before the Lord on the Sabbaths and the New Moons. 4The burnt offering that the prince offers to the Lord on the Sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish; 12“Now when the prince makes a voluntary burnt offering or voluntary peace offering to the Lord, the gate that faces toward the east shall then be opened for him; and he shall prepare his burnt offering and his peace offerings as he did on the Sabbath day. Then he shall go out, and after he goes out the gate shall be shut.

Matthew 24 (New King James Version)
20And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.
 
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People who push sabbath keeping tend to consistently use scripture from the old covenant and mix it with the new covenant. Mark 2:21 - No one sews a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment; or else the new piece pulls away from the old, and the tear is made worse. 22 And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; or else the new wine bursts the wineskins, the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are ruined. But new wine must be put into new wineskins.

2 Corinthians 3:6 - who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.

The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. God made obsolete the old covenant to "put legally into place" the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13). The life of discipleship flows out of the command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ." (Galatians 6:2) Love fulfills the law. (Romans 13:8-10)

Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)
Haven't you heard we don't live under condemnation for sin that's the law of the flesh and that letter of law you speak of were the ceremonial laws (circumcision, sacrifices, etc.) the children of Israel had to live by to be justified and cleansed of sin to be acceptable to God that's the handwritten ordinances that were blotted out and nailed to cross not God's holy, just, divine, spiritual commandments that when we are obedient to are a blessing and Gods will. Do they make us righteous and secure are salvation no only life in Christ does that but we keep them because true believers delight in gods law and want to please him. So quit pushing your false doctrines on everyone when you clearly don't understand Gods word now I just posted a new thread on this if you want to know what gods word truly says with all biblical truth that you can't refute.
 
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The Sabbath is not pushed by people, it is commanded by God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, as His will. God's Sabbath is eternal (Exodus 31:16, Leviticus 24:8) and will still be kept even in Christ Yeshua's millennial Kingdom (Revelation 20:4, Ezekiel 37 - 48) here on earth (Ezekiel 44:24; 45:17; 46:1, 3, 4, 12.

We have a new covenant (with God's eternal law written on our hearts/will with forgiveness in repentance, not anymore on stone/force), not a new law (will) of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. God's will is unchangeable. Believing Jews and Gentiles are grafted into the same body with Christ Yeshua the Root, partakers in the same covenant of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit's promises and commandments to obey.

Exodus 31 (New King James Version)
16Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.

Leviticus 24 (New King James Version)
8Every Sabbath he shall set it in order before the Lord continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant.

Revelation 1 (New King James Version)
10I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day

Revelation 20 (New King James Version)
4And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years.

The governance during the thousand years millennial reign of Christ Yeshua, here on earth:

Ezekiel 44 (New King James Version)
24In controversy they shall stand as judges, and judge it according to My judgments. They shall keep My laws and My statutes in all My appointed meetings, and they shall hallow My Sabbaths.

Ezekiel 45 (New King James Version)
17Then it shall be the prince’s part to give burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the feasts, the New Moons, the Sabbaths, and at all the appointed seasons of the house of Israel. He shall prepare the sin offering, the grain offering, the burnt offering, and the peace offerings to make atonement for the house of Israel.”

Ezekiel 46 (New King James Version)
1‘Thus says the Lord God: “The gateway of the inner court that faces toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the Sabbath it shall be opened, and on the day of the New Moon it shall be opened. 3Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the entrance to this gateway before the Lord on the Sabbaths and the New Moons. 4The burnt offering that the prince offers to the Lord on the Sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish; 12“Now when the prince makes a voluntary burnt offering or voluntary peace offering to the Lord, the gate that faces toward the east shall then be opened for him; and he shall prepare his burnt offering and his peace offerings as he did on the Sabbath day. Then he shall go out, and after he goes out the gate shall be shut.

Matthew 24 (New King James Version)
20And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.
Well said Amen spirit of truth they don't understand gods word if they don't truly live in Christ.
 

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Well said Amen spirit of truth they don't understand gods word if they don't truly live in Christ.
It's misguided teachers of the law who don't understand God's Word. Only those who are born of God live in Christ.
 
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